Iron Fist buff (BOTH FISTS)

I want to give him a way of having some sort of “not dying when the wind blows” as he’s a very frail champion

Giving him a medium window of SUPER BURST damage would also help him in that regard as the less time a fight takes the less damage he gets, simple!

I’ve also been baffled he doesn’t have ANY true strike.

The idea is as his Chi builds his body is more primed to take a punch. Once it reaches a certain point he uses it all for offense.

ALTERNATIVE: I would be willing to drop the 100% crit rate if he still gains the same amount of Chi. He’d still get a massive attack boost but lose a lot of crit damage this way. However the longer burn without a more punishing drain between combos would make up for it.

Actually I’m more open to him keeping both but just being unable to gain Chi while in Iron Fist mode. This way he keeps all his damage but has to be careful with his timing and use. He wouldn’t lose ANYTHING if you played him the same way after having this added but if you aligned your chakras and times it well it could easily make his damage go from “nice!” to “WHOOOOO!!!”

StrayPool

First of all, hell of a lot of good in these ideas. I'm managing a thread about multiple champion refit ideas - could I maybe expand a bit on some of your notions here, to round out an Iron Fist idea I had? I think I could find a happy middle between the two.

StrayPool wrote: »

First of all, hell of a lot of good in these ideas. I'm managing a thread about multiple champion refit ideas - could I maybe expand a bit on some of your notions here, to round out an Iron Fist idea I had? I think I could find a happy middle between the two.

Sure. Care to run it by me first though?

StrayPool

The overall notion of a Chi Mode is novel and appealing - and my focuses for his refit involved some more defensive ideas. One of the things I'm trying to do is mentally balance all of my ideas against the vast roster of the contest; I figure, slim as the odds are, keeping folks from being overpowered might help it get taken into account. So I'm thinking of scaling down your suggestions but keeping the overall spirit of the Chi idea, having it lead to a length of True Strike and possible one of three additional effects. To say more would dismantle the concept of making my own posts though.

StrayPool wrote: »

The overall notion of a Chi Mode is novel and appealing - and my focuses for his refit involved some more defensive ideas. One of the things I'm trying to do is mentally balance all of my ideas against the vast roster of the contest; I figure, slim as the odds are, keeping folks from being overpowered might help it get taken into account. So I'm thinking of scaling down your suggestions but keeping the overall spirit of the Chi idea, having it lead to a length of True Strike and possible one of three additional effects. To say more would dismantle the concept of making my own posts though.

I’d like to keep True Strike and Physical resistance. Also I’m willing to take 50% attack up and 33% boosted crit rate. Not quite over powered but far from weak

SCARE

they need to buff carnage as well lol

StrayPool

Well, I tried - seems we won't quite see eye-to-eye, so I'll simply leave your ideas be and try to find my own set of potential refits. Best of luck to us both.

1King_Jerry

very interesting

Magrailothos

Let's keep talking about Iron Fist and his need for a buff. I like some sort of proper Chi mechanic; but I don't plan to split hairs on the specifics other than to comment on the physical resistance:

1 - Energy resistance would be more in keeping with his mystic nature.
2 - Alternately, Chi could reduce debuff duration or a very low-level (OML-style) regeneration.
3 - Another alternative would be an increase in his blocking ability and critical rate, to reflect his rising focus.

As you touch on, clearly he can't simply accumulate Chi relentlessly - I'd probably even say each hit costs him 10% Chi or more, to retain his Glass cannon nature.

Nice work, though.

Iron Fist 2.0

Chi accumulates from Holding Block and Heavy (up to 100% Chi similar to adorn and P99)

Permanent Physical resistance Passive 30% but can be removed if the enemy lands 5 hits in a row. If removed it returns at 15% then 5% then it’s just gone.

Chi: chi is a passive ability that has few offensive abilities.

Based on current Chi level:
•Up to 80% Energy Resistance
•Enemy gains up to 50% less energy from attacks (passive Enervate)

When at 100% Chi:
Dash Back and Hold Block for 1.5 seconds AND activate a dash…
IRON FIST:
Become unstoppable and invincible for the duration of the dash and gain 10 Iron Fist Charges.

Your next ten hits are critical and deal 20% more damage. All attacks consume and iron fist charge if available. Getting hit will REMOVE all IF charges

When losing all IF charges gain a True Strike passive until hit again

(More defensive, focusing on still not getting hit mostly. If you can survive with the MUCH needed bulk then you can charge in for extra damage. Getting hit will ruin your day making IF not we’ll suited for practicing intercepts)

rwhack

He’s terrible.

rwhack wrote: »

He’s terrible.

Hence the buff discussion

TheHoodedDormammu

Mr_Otter wrote: »

(Was meant for only classic but looks like Immortal has a bad sig so he needs it too)

Originally he was a MONSTER! Back in the day he was really great!

Before Masteries and between WP-Nerf and V12 he would slaughter anything in his path.

But now he needs something. I’m ALL FOR a new Chi mechanic that charges when he lands crits:

Crits give him 4% Chi
Holding a heavy attack grants him 2% Chi twice a second
Holding a block gives him 1% Chi per second

Gains him up to 50% physical resistance based on Chi Stored. Additionally when reaching 100% He enters IRON FIST mode.

In Iron Fist mode his attack doubles and all attacks are crits. His Chi slowly drains at 4% per second and all attacks lower it by 2%

***When struck in Iron Fist mode he instantly loses the Iron Fist!***

ALL Chi gained is halved.
Once he goes below 60% Chi in Iron Fost mode he can’t gain anymore Chi until he reaches 0 again.

When leaving Iron Fist mode he gains True Strike for 12 seconds

TOTALLY AGREE. Iron Fist really needs a good buff

DLegend

I like the idea!

How about, whenever he inflicts armor break, he drains a certain amount of power?

He's mystic anyway, so it would make sense for him to have some kind of power control ability.

Iron Fist doesn’t need a buff. He already hits like a Mack truck. If that’s not enough for you, invest in the Despair and Inequity Masteries. Fist stacks armor breaks like they are going out of style. At max, with Despair, each armor break applies -15% healing and regeneration; and Inequity applies -6% to the enemy’s attack (up to 36%). It’s not difficult to stack several armor breaks during a fight, so Fist can cripple an enemy in short order.

Just put him on a team that gives him either armor (as he has none) or Perfect Block increases.

He’ll do just fine.

Here’s a screen cap of a duel from a friend of mine using his 5/50 Awakened 4* (signature 80) Iron Fist against a 3/45 Awakened 5* (signature 87) classic Black Panther.

If you utilize your abilities, signatures, masteries, and synergies together the right way, you can get a whole lot more out of your champs.

rwhack

N0L1M1TS wrote: »

Iron Fist doesn’t need a buff. He already hits like a Mack truck. If that’s not enough for you, invest in the Despair and Inequity Masteries. Fist stacks armor breaks like they are going out of style. At max, with Despair, each armor break applies -15% healing and regeneration; and Inequity applies -6% to the enemy’s attack (up to 36%). It’s not difficult to stack several armor breaks during a fight, so Fist can cripple an enemy in short order.

Just put him on a team that gives him either armor (as he has none) or Perfect Block increases.

He’ll do just fine.

I'm going to guess I've played a lot longer than you. Pre-version 12 he hit hard. Post version 12 he doesn't. In order to put point in inequity you're going to have to load up on defense. People at a high level have figured out that it's not a good idea. When someone comes in and champions a hero like Iron Fist please let me know what AQ lane, what AW lane on offense, and where on defense he's killing it for you. I know the answer to the question or I would not ask.

If you need two other heroes to make one hero useful he's simply not a good hero.

AgentOfSHIELD

And here's an actual glass cannon taking him out in 30% less hits considering his lower hp pool and lack of armor he should be doing more not less damage than captain marvel

Yeah he's ****, he was a legend run contender before they nerfed Crits so hard with 12.0, definitely needs a buff, I have immortal and original in 4 star, both r3, and him in 5*, he has zero use apart from arena grinds

DLegend

N0L1M1TS wrote: »

Here’s a screen cap of a duel from a friend of mine using his 5/50 Awakened 4* (signature 80) Iron Fist against a 3/45 Awakened 5* (signature 87) classic Black Panther.

If you utilize your abilities, signatures, masteries, and synergies together the right way, you can get a whole lot more out of your champs.

He still needs a buff. Even a 4* 3/30 Quake can defeat that BP in 0 hits.

Hey, your mileage may very; however, your personal experience does not invalidate the fact that it can be done. As it stands, Fist’s base attack is still in the top 10–15 of all champs. Buffing him to compensate for his deficiency in defense will only make him overpowered, IMO. As far as “needing” two other champs to make him a good hero is concerned, that was a suggestion to get the most bang for your buck.

He's the worst mystic hands down, he has zero utility, and zero armour, he was designed to be a glass cannon, but he is no longer a cannon since the armour break and crit nerfs at 12.0. There are dozens of champs with more attack power when you factor in their utilities and specials
I just checked and I actually haven't even bothered r3ing my 4*. He is not worth the single Alpha catalyst. I could make the argument you make about she hulk or spidergwen being useful. He is not really useful. He once was very good. He could use a buff

@AgentOfSHIELD

Out of curiosity, how many specials were used with Ms. Marvel in that fight?

Also, in addition to being in the top 10-15 champs in terms of base attack, IF has the second highest base Crit rate (behind Symbiote Spidey) and third highest base Crit Damage rate (behind Vulture, Stark Spidey, and Symbiote Spidey) among playable champs.

No, he doesn’t enjoy special damage. Yes, he’s lacking for defensive capabilities. However, ways already exist in-game to supplement these deficiencies.

Sure, I’d love to have my IF buffed, but I don’t think that it’s necessary to make him a playable champ.

That's 32 hits with a 4/40 gamora, just using combo and l1. I have maxed deep wounds, but apart from that a full defensive build, no glass cannon and full willpower
Ps that's gamora generally considered a mediocre champ

https://youtu.be/FGdhoNA3l7Q

Speeds80 wrote: »

That's 32 hits with a 4/40 gamora, just using combo and l1. I have maxed deep wounds, but apart from that a full defensive build, no glass cannon and full willpower
Ps that's gamora generally considered a mediocre champ

Okay.

Gamora’s L1 has a 100% crit rate. All of her attacks have a chance to increase her Crit Damage rate. Her special attacks have a HUGE chance of dealing significant bleed damage, and you said you have Deep Wounds maxed out. This is without even taking into consideration the massive amount of critical damage that she has a chance to deal with her signature ability. I’m not sure what that proves, as if this is not a case of apples vs oranges, I don’t know what is.

It was stated that pre-version 12, Iron Fist “was a legend run contender,” but he isn’t anymore. It was also said that he “would slaughter anything in his path.”

V12 was released March 1, 2017. Here are a couple of videos post-3/1/17 that show what he can currently do. One is with the Immortal version against the final boss of the event quest where Iceman was introduced. The other is the aforementioned fight against LoL Rulk. Yes, he ultimately loses that fight, but based upon his performance, I don’t know how much more you could possibly want, unless it’s for every champ to be god-tier, which would devalue the existing god-tier champs.

https://youtu.be/rEvalt-ds_I