What is this interaction?

In 7.4.5 the head rush path i got to CGR. When i went in with Medusa i die as soon as i land a hit on him. Reading the nodes this could be caused if buff is nullified but Medusa doesn't nullify. When i hit CGR he gains armor break and Medusa might be breaking the armor but is it counted as nullified?

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RicoShay

Armour break is counted as a nullify because it removes a buff in this instance. Basically you're taking 200% direct damage for removing buffs. Solution... Just use a champ without any debuffs or buff removing debuffs

Gamer

What the guys above said is true

Farrukh_tv

I assumed that was the case but should armor break count as nullifying? It is not "removing a buff" , it is breaking/converting the active armor up buff to armor break debuff.

Noobda

That's an interesting interaction.

Daddrieda

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?

AverageDesi

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?

If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break

Pikolu

It could just be a bug, but I noticed the same thing when I fought CGR with Medusa too.

Daddrieda

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?
If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break

But he’s not

AverageDesi

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?
If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break
But he’s not

Try the fight

Raichu626

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?
If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break
But he’s not
Try the fight

Quickly tested against Warlock, can confirm Armor break triggers mystic dispersion

Daddrieda

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?
If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break
But he’s not
Try the fight
Quickly tested against Warlock, can confirm Armor break triggers mystic dispersion

Extremely strange! I have MD 4/5 and he’s not gaining power from the armor break against armor up. Doom and Clairevoyant gaining as normally.

AverageDesi

then why isn't iron fist gaining any power per armor break when facing a armor up buff champion(s) when playing Iron Fist with Mystic Dispersion mastery?
If there is an armour up buff then he will gain power when applying a armour break
But he’s not
Try the fight
Quickly tested against Warlock, can confirm Armor break triggers mystic dispersion
Extremely strange! I have MD 4/5 and he’s not gaining power from the armor break against armor up. Doom and Clairevoyant gaining as normally.

Whom did you fight?

BuggyDClown

I had same problem when I used venom and Angela.
The re did path with apoc

AMS94

The game considers Armor break as a nullify 😒

K00shMaan

The game considers Armor break as a nullify 😒

Kind of feels like this is one of those cases where it wasn't an issue when they initially programmed Armour Break into the game to work that way that definitely now needs to be updated. They have made a number of mechanics that functionally work the same way as another mechanic but work properly when the difference is important. A great example is how Cleanse is not the same as Purify. Another example is Claire's Buff Immunity is different than a Nullify and properly works against Nullify Immune champs. Best we can do is be vocal about and hope that they look into changing it. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how Armour Shatter interacts with Armour Ups? Does it also Nullify it or does it have a different interaction.

CyborgNinja135

The game considers Armor break as a nullify 😒
Kind of feels like this is one of those cases where it wasn't an issue when they initially programmed Armour Break into the game to work that way that definitely now needs to be updated. They have made a number of mechanics that functionally work the same way as another mechanic but work properly when the difference is important. A great example is how Cleanse is not the same as Purify. Another example is Claire's Buff Immunity is different than a Nullify and properly works against Nullify Immune champs. Best we can do is be vocal about and hope that they look into changing it. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how Armour Shatter interacts with Armour Ups? Does it also Nullify it or does it have a different interaction.

A while ago they made it a separate thing from armor break to differentiate them, and afaik it only affects AA and combat power rate for robots. That's why Aarkus and Medusa apply the armor break and the armor shatter at the same time

Khellendros138

So does this mean that civil warrior can't have his armor broken since he is immune to nullify?

Raichu626

So does this mean that civil warrior can't have his armor broken since he is immune to nullify?

He can which is even weirder.
Armor break is treated as a nullify when you're being punished for nullify, but nullify immunity won't protect armor ups from it...

Khellendros138

Hmm that is a strange interaction then... I feel like Kabam should revisit this