With the finalization of BG, how far are we from getting Mastery 2.0?

DrDrill

Can we get an update on how far are we in regards to the introduction of Mastery 2.0?
and if the community can participate in a beta server for the mastery update to provide feedback in order to accelerate the development of the highly anticipated change to the game.
Thank you
our QoL hero @Kabam Zero , can you give us an update please?

awesomesauce

its on the roadmap guys just relax.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

They have already confirmed that masteries will still cost to switch. So likely the mastery update won't help that much in Battlegrounds

DrDrill

I never said anything about the cost (although it should be free to switch between mastery pages IMHO -you need to unlock mastery pages 500 units per page-).
I'm only asking about the date when we gonna see them, it's so tedious to swap between mastery setups.

Vendemiaire

It should only cost gold. It’s already a fortune to buy carbs.

ProfessorG

There is little to no reason that there should be a cost associated with switching masteries. The cost is already incurred in the thousands of units spent to unlock them.

Flawed design concept to begin with which is root issue that needs overhaul. Cost should be removed and load outs added.

In the meantime, @Kabam Miike since we have been waiting years for Mastery enhancements, could you partner with the game team to remove the cost until the 2.0 Masteries get released. The initial beta for battlegrounds did it right.

@Kabam Miike you have the power, “Make Masteries great again!”

Rebark

With BG the masteries system still getting paid is completely unsustainable if you play AW master.
Per AW, the cost ranges from 90 to 200 units, considering the exchange for positioning or for any specific match-ups.
This in a 12-war season averages out to 1,500 units.
Currently a season lasts about 30 days.
In a week of arena/3 days events it is possible to get something around 1000 units, depending on your luck with the battlechips.
That is, from 4 weeks, you spend practically 2 farming units in the arena just to exchange proficiencies.
And I'm not even counting here the expense of amplifiers to play the highest levels of AW.
Yes, Kabam is a company and needs money, but bro, they already make a lot of money selling resources like 6* sigstones, tier 6 basics, tier 3 alpha, crystals...
Competitive modes shouldn't cost more than time and dedication, two factors I didn't even consider in this calculation because they're not quantifiable. Charging recharge in the battleground, OK, I don't agree but I understand, but playing suicide in the battleground is putting yourself at an extreme disadvantage, another way to spend units swapping proficiencies, or is some fool here going to want to spend 12 hours a week making arena without suicides?

Qwerty12345

I would be OK if there was a scaling up cost to mastery switches. Something like:

First 2 switches per "day" are free, then it costs you 15 units to switch between one of your say 4 standard builds to another, then 30, then 45.

I totally understand why we shouldn't be able to switch masteries on a whim in between every fight... but say setting them one way just to place war defenders and then setting them back should not cost units. Changing them say every fight along the way of doing an abyss run... that I have more patience for the expense.

One may also want to have one set of masteries for "BG" defenders and another for "BG attackers" much like AW. While looking into options for masteries 2.0, I would ask that idea be taken into consideration, and have the ability to lock in your "BG defender masteries" when you edit your deck, and have them be independent from whatever masteries you are using in other game modes.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

thepiggy said:

BG's has to be monetized, but are mastery costs the best way?

Unlimited entries with an entry cost, plus the re-rolls, and recharges.

DrDrill

anytime now

Tesladon

Congratulations to Brian Grant on his upcoming finalization.

SkyLord7000

You guys are asking the wrong devs…

@Kabam Thel

Total_Domin01

Tesladon said:

Congratulations to Brian Grant on his upcoming finalization.

I think the exact same thing for 3 seconds every time I see someone mention this

L0TUS_MANTIS

Coming soon, à la bases

Mobile_P0tat0

Early June... of 2099

DrDrill

Any Kabam mod who can reach out to the team and give us answers, please?

Rebark

Could some kabam mod please press the button and make the proficiencies free? since they don't intend to give any kind of feedback, do something for the community, I can't stand to spend units or complain about it anymore, I've been complaining about it for 4 years

Saltygoodness

Some feedback from mods on whether changes to the mastery system are planned or not would be appreciated.

No specific details needed, in general: can we expect any changes this year or no chance.

It would affect decisions on whether to invest into mastery cores or not (i.e. is it worth spending units on them or no point).

Consider that it may also affect the amount of unit deals people get in July. It would be a good business decision to announce positive changes to the mastery system to motivate players to unlock expensive masteries / spend units (including getting July unit offers) to do that.

TheTalents

I don't even care for Mastery 2.0 which would be nice but really I just want free suicide changes. It LONG overdue or a kit we switch to for half the price of the units or even the same price.

Something needs to be updated as well.

Wozzle007

We first heard of a mastery update when Dorky Dave interviewed Kabam in February 2019. That was over 3 years ago, nearly 40 months. Masteries was mentioned in one of the roadmaps a few years ago, but we’ve had no updates. Nothing to even confirm a mastery update is still being planned. The communication on the this has been a real let down. Every thread asking for some info is ignored by the Kabam mod team, at least as far as I’m aware, happy to be corrected. I don’t think it’s to much to confirm yes or no that it’s still in the work and give an approximate projection if it is. We know things can slip, especially when we’ve had COVID, but masteries is a massive part of the game that needs due care and attention. It’s been over 3 years since that Dave interview and I think we deserve an update.

K00shMaan

I think Mastery setups should be free to change. All they need to do to balance it is add a separate Cooldown to reset for each tree (Attack, Defense, Proficiencies). Then like any content you can pay units to not wait out that refresh period. Cooldown doesn't even need to be that long, maybe 6 hours. Just long enough so that people who are actively boosting and want to change would still consider it worth it.

Kabam Miike

Hello Summoners!

We understand the Masteries rework has taken longer than anticipated but I want to reassure you that the changes are still being worked on and you will see them in the future.

With the development of Battlegrounds there’s an additional importance for Masteries as you’ll want to make changes depending on the champions you’ll want to use, however it also adds a layer of complexity to the rework.

While we do not have details on a specific timeline, the plan is to make this process much more approachable for players upon its full implementation. As more details become available to us, we will be sure to pass them onto you!

Thank you for your patience.

Sbkrueb

So it's another "early June" situation .... gotcha.
I'll put it over here next to bases and wish crystals.

TheTalents

Kabam Miike said:

Hello Summoners!

We understand the Masteries rework has taken longer than anticipated but I want to reassure you that the changes are still being worked on and you will see them in the future.

With the development of Battlegrounds there’s an additional importance for Masteries as you’ll want to make changes depending on the champions you’ll want to use, however it also adds a layer of complexity to the rework.

While we do not have details on a specific timeline, the plan is to make this process much more approachable for players upon its full implementation. As more details become available to us, we will be sure to pass them onto you!

Thank you for your patience.

You can make masteries free right now. Why hasn't that happened? It will at least provide context so we don't have to continue making discussions revolving around mastery costs. That is a pro player benefit Kabam can change immediately.

Kabam Miike

TheTalents said:

Kabam Miike said:

Hello Summoners!

We understand the Masteries rework has taken longer than anticipated but I want to reassure you that the changes are still being worked on and you will see them in the future.

With the development of Battlegrounds there’s an additional importance for Masteries as you’ll want to make changes depending on the champions you’ll want to use, however it also adds a layer of complexity to the rework.

While we do not have details on a specific timeline, the plan is to make this process much more approachable for players upon its full implementation. As more details become available to us, we will be sure to pass them onto you!

Thank you for your patience.

You can make masteries free right now. Why hasn't that happened? It will at least provide context so we don't have to continue making discussions revolving around mastery costs. That is a pro player benefit Kabam can change immediately.

Mastery Loadouts or whatever may come is about an evolution to Masteries and how they are used/applied, but the intention was never to make Mastery Changes free.

DrDrill

Thanks for letting us know, it's nice being finally out of the dark, although would have loved to hear that it's around the corner rather than infante timeline,
thanks nonetheless.

Zuko_ILC

Every other mobile game you pay to unlock things and they are yours. With all the different modes that you can benefit by switching its just silly you have to keep paying. Would be a huge pro player move one that Kabam desperately needs.

Inputs still broke, hackers everywhere, mercs in arenas. Nothing ever gets solved. I see no point to spend anymore in this game. Customers come last.

Roadmaps were just lies.

KyrieRed

Kabam Miike said:

Hello Summoners!

We understand the Masteries rework has taken longer than anticipated but I want to reassure you that the changes are still being worked on and you will see them in the future.

With the development of Battlegrounds there’s an additional importance for Masteries as you’ll want to make changes depending on the champions you’ll want to use, however it also adds a layer of complexity to the rework.

While we do not have details on a specific timeline, the plan is to make this process much more approachable for players upon its full implementation. As more details become available to us, we will be sure to pass them onto you!

Thank you for your patience.

So what I hear is Kabam hasnt found the solution on how to make masteries changes that players like and still make money off of it. And I agree is very tricky. Masteries should a QoL without worry so much about profit. And yes I know kabam hates the word free but come on! 8 years and masteries are still the same?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

The main problem with masteries switching isn't the time it takes to switch, but rather the units spent on it.

The changes are likely just gonna make it easier or quicker, but not cheaper. This isn't addressing any issue, this isn't a "pro-player move" at all.
Not to mention that if you add more masteries, which will likely happen, can make it more frustrating to decide what masteries do we really want to have, and if they are viable to have all the time rather than other's.

I'll wait till the announcement comes to see how it will turn on. But overall, this all just seems like a scheme to add more masteries, incentivize more switching, spend units, spend money, profit. Which is typical, but a shame.

TheTalents

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

The main problem with masteries switching isn't the time it takes to switch, but rather the units spent on it.

The changes are likely just gonna make it easier or quicker, but not cheaper. This isn't addressing any issue, this isn't a "pro-player move" at all.
Not to mention that if you add more masteries, which will likely happen, can make it more frustrating to decide what masteries do we really want to have, and if they are viable to have all the time rather than other's.

I'll wait till the announcement comes to see how it will turn on. But overall, this all just seems like a scheme to add more masteries, incentivize more switching, spend units, spend money, profit. Which is typical, but a shame.

I understand your feelings but if we had presets masteries that is a pro player move and a lot of people like myself would be very happy about it. Althouhg it hasn't happened in two years and we don't have a timeline on when it will happen so its all theory at this point.

awesomesauce

Honestly I would even be ok if they did like a total of 3 loadouts.
One is default, and one everyone owns.
The two others cost 1000 units to purchase, once. Once unlocked, then the loadout is free to swap between (granting you have also fulfilled the requirements to unlocking the masteries desired). Then maybe if you want to change that loadout after set, charge 200 units or something to "save changes"

Even this would be saving in the long run. People can have a defense tree, suicide tree, and non suicide. Allow them to swap based on actions.

But to keep charging people for something they've already unlocked is ridiculous.

At the very least, VERY LEAST, allow me to swap a few individual points. If I want to move my suicides into say limber and MD, I shouldn't have to spend 100 units to put points back into the rest of the tree because I can't change just a couple points. Even that alone would be an amazing change.

I hate that I have to spend a couple hundred units just because I want to participate in Battlegrounds and have a fair shot at winning.