Cavs and Eternity of Pain

If a 3* Ronin can destory Icarus then how come Cavalier players can’t play Eternity of Pain? I understand keeping us from rank 4 material, but why not let us access a few of the more basic rewards like T5 class catalysts or 6* shards. It’s really disheartening not getting access to content that you know you could complete.

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Chatterofforums

There is an enormous amount of content that Cav have available and very little to no content for TB and Paragon. This week 2 had a cheese but other weeks not as likely and that's when the "this is too hard" or "money grab" posts from cabs would flood forums.

TheBair123

this really just gives you more of an incentive to push for thronebreaker

Riptide

Mate, if you haven’t completed act 6 yet, you likely don’t have the roster for EoP. If you have and don’t have a R3, you can push act 7

Angryneeson52

You’re cav for a reason. You don’t get the luxury of being able to have access to content that players in higher progression levels have available to them.

GinjabredMonsta

Star value doesn't matter. It's progression and skill. Just because you have a 3* Ronan doesn't mean you'll be able to do that solo

TyEdge

Honestly they should’ve given cavs one point per week imo. No objectives. Give ‘em a little something to feel good about. I’m not fussed about it though

DNA3000

If a 3* Ronin can destory Icarus then how come Cavalier players can’t play Eternity of Pain? I understand keeping us from rank 4 material, but why not let us access a few of the more basic rewards like T5 class catalysts or 6* shards. It’s really disheartening not getting access to content that you know you could complete.

3* Ronin can destroy Ikaris. That's why Cavaliers can't play Eternity of Pain.

The progress gates are not there to block you from what you can't do. We don't need to block you from what you can't do. The progress gates are there to block you from what you might be able to do, but isn't designed to be balanced for you.

Content is designed for the players that can access it, with rewards designed for players that can complete it. If Cavaliers were allowed to run EoP, then EoP would have to be designed with them in mind, and more importantly the rewards would have to be balanced with them in mind. Thronebreakers and Paragons would have to get less rewards, even if the content remained at its current difficulty, if that happened.

The devs can't, and don't even want to find and prevent every cheese opportunity. Sometimes that's just the reward players get when they find them and choose to use them, tedious though they might be. Such things are not a problem when the content is gated to only a certain group of players and the rewards are tuned for them. Handing out one cheese point to Thronebreakers and Paragons is no problem. Handing out cheese points to Cavalier and lower players is a problem. A problem the progression gate prevents.

There's two kinds of players. There are players who, when they see higher tier difficulty and rewards aspire to reach them. And there are players who feel they deserve them and are disappointed when they aren't handed them. I say handed, because being handed things for nothing includes opportunities, not just rewards. Progression games are intended for the former, not the latter. The latter need to go find games where no one's progress is ever rewarded, and everyone is treated exactly the same, no matter what they do, no matter how long they do it, forever.

Savage123456789

Lol, In that case then why do TB not have access to paragon objectives. You mean there is no TB player with a mystic or symbiote to complete those objectives

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SandeepS

Personally I think EOP should be open for all to try. Then just put in thronebreaker and paragon objectives to make it harder and let them get rewarded accordingly.

This is coming from a thronebreaker player.

AverageDesi

It's not about the difficulty of fights. It's about the rewards. They couldn't give two rats arses about whether or not a toddler could do the fight using a 3* Ronan.

Wozzle007

When first download the game and open an account you have to start at act 1. You can’t skip acts 1 to 6 and go straight to act 7. You have to play the game and work your way through. It’s the same with Variants, MEQs and other parts of the game. You have to meet a minimum level to before you can access them. If you want to take part in EOP meet the criteria and you’ll be able to. If you’ve not met the criteria, the contents not yet for you.

Aleor

There is an enormous amount of content that Cav have available and very little to no content for TB and Paragon. This week 2 had a cheese but other weeks not as likely and that's when the "this is too hard" or "money grab" posts from cabs would flood forums.

Given tb can access any cav content, I just can't understand how tb and moneygone players have 'very little to no content', as they all have access to cav content as well

Aleor

Mate, if you haven’t completed act 6 yet, you likely don’t have the roster for EoP. If you have and don’t have a R3, you can push act 7

R4 5* would do fine for those fights actually. Eop is not about difficulty, it's more about having access to the challenge

Chompy

There is an enormous amount of content that Cav have available and very little to no content for TB and Paragon. This week 2 had a cheese but other weeks not as likely and that's when the "this is too hard" or "money grab" posts from cabs would flood forums.
Given tb can access any cav content, I just can't understand how tb and moneygone players have 'very little to no content', as they all have access to cav content as well

Yes we technically have access to it, but many have likely done most, or all of it. It is not new content for us abd it likely doesnt reward in accordance to what we need.

There have always been gates to content. You cannot just jump into act 6, you must complete previous acts. You cannot just jump into cav EQ without having completed act 6.1. This is the same. You cant jus jump into EOP without having beat act 6 and having a 6* r3 (aka being TB).

The rewards of EOP is not in line with that of the cav player.

TLDR; ACT 6 IS THE CAV EOP

DNA3000

There is an enormous amount of content that Cav have available and very little to no content for TB and Paragon. This week 2 had a cheese but other weeks not as likely and that's when the "this is too hard" or "money grab" posts from cabs would flood forums.
Given tb can access any cav content, I just can't understand how tb and moneygone players have 'very little to no content', as they all have access to cav content as well

That's completely misunderstanding how content works. Sure, TB players can do everything, but most of the content is vastly outside their balance point.

The whole idea of what content is available to a player is not based on the (false) assumption that there are "Cavalier players" or "Uncollected players." That's just a colloquialism. There are no Cavalier players. There are players who happen to be Cavalier now. Cavalier players have a certain narrow window of content roughly balanced for them, just like all other progress tiers. But Cavalier players don't stay Cavalier forever, or at least don't have to. They can become Thronebreaker, and then Paragon. They still have a vast amount of game ahead of them. They still have somewhere to go.

Paragon players and players more or less at the end game don't have anywhere left to go. And they won't have anywhere to go until the game invents new progress tiers above them. A Cavalier player still has challenges ahead of them. A Paragon player is likely running out of them or has actually run out of them (by virtue of completing them).

When we say end game players have very little content for them, we mean they have very little content targeting them, and they have no way to move on to higher tiers of challenge. They've hit the progress wall, and now have to wait there. That's what makes end game specific content uniquely important to create for the highest progress tiers. Lower progress tiers already have things they can do and places to go if they exhaust what they can do. Thronebreakers are running out of it and Paragons (at least currently) have probably exhausted it. "End game" content is there to keep the game alive for them.

airmundo

So what’s your take on a Thronebreaker player that has 100% everything except for the revolution carina challenge because they’re missing one of the three champs needed? And because of that it looks like they’re soooo close to a third R4 when really it could be another 6 months to a year before either getting the champ they need or enough content is available to a thronebreaker player to form more materials? Meanwhile they miss out on better rewards available to paragon players.

You do large write outs so genuinely curious where those folks fall under. Some thronebreakers have also exhausted all content but are still being held back in this EoP.

The_man001

I am Cav and on act 6.4.6. Considering the difficulty of the EOP my roster can't handle it even if i became thronebreaker now. This EOP Is way more roster dependent and tougher than previous year Sop.

Just because u saw some u tube video where 3 star ronan does the fight don't assume its easy. Plus that gives only 1 point maybe i guess? And 3 star ronan will take hours to finish the fight.

FYI i have quite developed roster but this eop is i guess for late thronebreakers and paragon. Even Early thronebreakers cannot do this according to me.

AverageDesi

There is an enormous amount of content that Cav have available and very little to no content for TB and Paragon. This week 2 had a cheese but other weeks not as likely and that's when the "this is too hard" or "money grab" posts from cabs would flood forums.
Given tb can access any cav content, I just can't understand how tb and moneygone players have 'very little to no content', as they all have access to cav content as well

Cause we've already done it and that's how many got tb in the first place

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Malreck04

If a 3* Ronin can destory Icarus then how come Cavalier players can’t play Eternity of Pain? I understand keeping us from rank 4 material, but why not let us access a few of the more basic rewards like T5 class catalysts or 6* shards. It’s really disheartening not getting access to content that you know you could complete.
There's two kinds of players. There are players who, when they see higher tier difficulty and rewards aspire to reach them. And there are players who feel they deserve them and are disappointed when they aren't handed them. I say handed, because being handed things for nothing includes opportunities, not just rewards. Progression games are intended for the former, not the latter. The latter need to go find games where no one's progress is ever rewarded, and everyone is treated exactly the same, no matter what they do, no matter how long they do it, forever.

Man deadass turned this into a commentary about capitalism vs communism💀

Mackey

I think they should of opened it up for cav players too, let them obtain 1 point per week like the SoP last year, as for the roster depth comment... that's just deluded, I was cav in SoP last year, my roster wasn't that great yet I was able to beat most of SoP, just didn't have the time required (or resources) to beat GM ... not to mention the r3 side of it too.

Definitely unfair to leave them out after including them last year

Bugmat78

I think they should of opened it up for cav players too, let them obtain 1 point per week like the SoP last year, as for the roster depth comment... that's just deluded, I was cav in SoP last year, my roster wasn't that great yet I was able to beat most of SoP, just didn't have the time required (or resources) to beat GM ... not to mention the r3 side of it too.

Definitely unfair to leave them out after including them last year

The last edition (Summer of Pain) was for the top 2 classes of players in the game - they've maintained that in Eternity of Pain. In 4 years time when there is 1 or 2 additional levels past paragon should the Whatever of Pain still be open to Cavaliers?

There are plenty resources in the game for Cavs to reach TB at least - there have been at least 10 editions of Cav EQ (probably more - I'm just using a number) which gave 5% ct5c selectors.

Anyone who seriously wants to be a TB could be one now, and no you dont have to have the best champ to do so - plenty of ppl last year and before took up who they had just to get the next level of rewards. You wouldnt even need to buy deals at July 4th or Cyber weekend - just grind Cav EQ & Side quest every month and finish act 6 completion.

GinjabredMonsta

I think they should of opened it up for cav players too, let them obtain 1 point per week like the SoP last year, as for the roster depth comment... that's just deluded, I was cav in SoP last year, my roster wasn't that great yet I was able to beat most of SoP, just didn't have the time required (or resources) to beat GM ... not to mention the r3 side of it too.

Definitely unfair to leave them out after including them last year

You misunderstand though, last year there was no paragon so it was cav and TB at the top. Now it's TB and paragon ad the top which is why the rewards and difficulty is scaled for them. Sure, they could have allowed cavs to join, but why? Then what's stopping them from opening it to uncollected at that point? This is the point of having progression based systems. You want the "better" deals or challenges? Then tou gotta progress

Mackey

Yes no paragon last year, however, paragon has been around for a mere 3/4 weeks before EoP came about whereas TB was around for a LOT longer than that before SoP came around. Consistency would be nice.

I'm TB so it don't really affect me but I do feel for the cav players. Still don't see (paragon included) why they cant get 1 point. Yes there is plenty of other content to help them players, but that same content was there last year, bit of moot point when you look at it like that 🤷‍♂️

Wicket329

This whole conversation is predicated on the idea of “I saw a YouTube video of a player beating this content with X champion that I also have, therefore I should be allowed to do it.” I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that player is better at the game than you are. I usually try to avoid blanket statements like this, but I think it’s safe to say that no player with one account that is currently Cavalier or lower is a better player than Swedeah or MetalSonicDude or any of the other high caliber players posting their EoP takedowns.

If you’re reading this and angrily thinking “but I can do that!” then I invite you to prove it by completing the other content the game has provided for you. Grandmaster was the boss of SoP last year, so you should be well equipped to handle him by now. Completing act 7 gives you a generic r3 gem so you don’t even have to be level 60 to become Thronebreaker. Should be easy for you.

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Mackey

that same content was there last year, bit of moot point when you look at it like that 🤷‍♂️
That's exactly the point? They still haven't completed the content that has been there since last year yet they want more? Eat only what your appetite allows you to

End of the day I'm just giving my opinion, I dont mean to challenge others opinions. SoP enabled me to get TB as soon as I'd finished act 6 without having to anymore. So I'm speaking from that more than anything. I dont disagree that TB is easier to obtain now compared to then though

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