Better Degen counter: Spider-Ham or Mr. Negative

I'm looking to finsih the paths in LoL. Maestro's degen is my only consistent problem from sp1. Is Mr. Neg or Spider-Ham a better counter for the degen that is placed by his sp1? I can't dex it, and since there isn't a Maestro to practice against, I thought I'd just bring a degen counter. I've not really used either, and I can take either up to r5 and max sig them if needed. Thanks for the info.

And by easier, I mean which one is it easier to consistently have his degen counter ability up and running?

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Riptide

When I did lab with my 5* Aegon, I just pushed him to his sp2

willrun4adonut

When I did lab with my 5* Aegon, I just pushed him to his sp2

I'm impressed. I was taking too much block damage with Aegon. My first run was with r4 Apoc, and r3 duped stryfe. I stll couldn't push him to sp2. He always seemed to fire it off before I could get him there most times.

Havanaknight

If you run suicides, a colossus/prof x/omega/white mags centric team does really well. 5th member can be AA or Apoc depending on what you need.

Riptide

When I did lab with my 5* Aegon, I just pushed him to his sp2
I'm impressed. I was taking too much block damage with Aegon. My first run was with r4 Apoc, and r3 duped stryfe. I stll couldn't push him to sp2. He always seemed to fire it off before I could get him there most times.

Shouldn’t Aegon be unblockable at that point?

I can link the post I made about my lab run if you want?

Aleor

If you can't dex it, try to push him to sp2
Iirc, he had some shenanigans based on attacker class, and aegon was worse for me than stryfe in that fight at least. I guess mutant have something like decreased sp damage, therefore you can use kitty for the fight pretty successfully

Kabam Valkyrie

Moving to the correct category

willrun4adonut

When I did lab with my 5* Aegon, I just pushed him to his sp2
I'm impressed. I was taking too much block damage with Aegon. My first run was with r4 Apoc, and r3 duped stryfe. I stll couldn't push him to sp2. He always seemed to fire it off before I could get him there most times.
Shouldn’t Aegon be unblockable at that point?

I can link the post I made about my lab run if you want?

I actually never got far enough with Aegon before switching to using Stryfe since he kept dying. But I'll give him another try. And I'll gladly take one of your YouTube videos.

Gr8TonyStark

Brother go in act4 maestro quest with four 2 stars and 1 of your powerful champion. Finish the lane with your powerful champion and fight maestro with ur 2 or 3 stars weak champions. Don't take blocked hits and try to bait sp1. That will be a good practice.

Or just hit his block with a powerful champion as to not to kill him but give him power and let him throw his sp1.

Even I did the same thing for practice and now I can dodge his sp1 with no tension.

willrun4adonut

Brother go in act4 maestro quest with four 2 stars and 1 of your powerful champion. Finish the lane with your powerful champion and fight maestro with ur 2 or 3 stars weak champions. Don't take blocked hits and try to bait sp1. That will be a good practice.

Or just hit his block with a powerful champion as to not to kill him but give him power and let him throw his sp1.

Even I did the same thing for practice and now I can dodge his sp1 with no tension.

Thanks. I didn't realize Act 4 Maestro has the same animations as ex Maestro.

Ercarret

Worth noting before reading this: I haven't fought the LOL Maestro.

However, I think it depends a little on the circumstances. When he's awakened, Mr. Negativer regenerates whenever he takes degen damage (in addition to his resistance to it). When he's unduped, you have to rely on having enough unique debuffs on your opponent to out-resist Spider-Ham (who instead gains 15% resistance for each Spider-Nonsense he has).

Out of the two, I would probably go with Mr. Negative if he is awakened and Spider-Ham if he's not. In the EOP Dormammu fight, I found it very easy to avoid taking too much degen damage with Spider-Ham. As long as you manage to control your Nonsense, you'll always be able to keep that resistance up. With my unduped Mr. Negative, I've always found it really tricky to have enough debuffs on the opponent consistently during the fight to keep the degen damage down. You basically get a window after your SP2 when you're immune to degen, and then you take a significant amount of damage otherwise. There might be something I'm missing but I just find his resistance unreliable.

That said, you can tinker with it since it doesn't have to be his own debuffs. If you bring Mr. Fantastic, you can just place three debuffs on the opponent at the start of the fight and, if you play correctly, keep them indefinitely. As such, you'd have 120% indefinite degen resistance. Unreliability solved.

Whether that is a viable strategy for LOL or not is something I'll let others answer. As I said, I have never even touched LOL. Not my kind of content.

Riptide

@willrun4adonut here is my lab run post:

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/252150/my-unit-less-labyrinth-completion#latest

And here is a link to my YT if you are interested:

https://youtube.com/channel/UCGyfNemGzMeM9DqLQajJq7w

I haven’t posted in a while, cause I’ve been really busy, but I got a lot of crystal openings to edit

willrun4adonut

Thank you @Riptide . I just 100% LoL, and I couldn’t have done it without your advice (and the couple of EoPs you helped with too). I was rewarded with 5* wolvie too with my crystal shards so that was a nice bonus. My account wouldn’t be where it’s at without your help and Bittersteel’s help. Overall, it took 0 units, but countless potions and 172 farmed revives (yikes).

Riptide

@willrun4adonut thats great, glad I could help

Congrats on that Wolvie, he seems like a fun horseman!