Thoughts on Juggernaut Rework

Looks good on paper for sure now I am curious to see how it will be live. He will be better than before at the very least hopefully a good attacker or an annoying defender as well. What does everyone think about this one?

Comments

TheLightBringer

Can't say without seeing the gameplay first

SandPounder

They missed a golden opportunity to a a synergy with Kitty called “Do You Know Who I Am?”

TheTrueBeast10

They missed a golden opportunity to a a synergy with Kitty called “Do You Know Who I Am?”

The rest of that quote would offend people nowadays

DrZola

Have to see in-game, but he cannot realistically be worse. As I envision it in my mind’s eye, I like it and feel like it should be true to the character.

One bone to pick with the updaters: why such a weak-kneed effort on updated synergies?

Dr. Zola

SandPounder

They missed a golden opportunity to a a synergy with Kitty called “Do You Know Who I Am?”
The rest of that quote would offend people nowadays

True, that’s why you stop there.

But I especially disappointed since her SP3 in game is kinda what she does to him in that scene when he says the line.

TheLegend27

It seems fun and interesting. I'm hoping I incorrectly interpreted the Maximum Momentum mechanic when I commented about it earlier.

My only 2 comments:

-Gem of Cyttorak shouldn't be shut down by ALL non-damaging debuffs. Way too easy to counter basically the entirety of his kit. It should be certain non-damaging debuffs (slow, exhaustion, weakness, or debuffs similar to those).

-Synergies should have and could have been improved so easily. Just off the top of my head (and I have no idea what synergies he currently has with other champs or what synergies other champs have with him so I could be overwriting existing synergies):

1) "Brotherhood" with Red Magneto --> While under the effects of unstoppable, Juggernaut's heavy attack instantly nullifies 1 buff on the opponent for every unstoppable buff active. Magneto's heavy unstoppable cooldown is reduced by 50%

2) "Let the good times roll" with Prof X --> Juggernaut's basic attacks generate twice the amount of unstoppable buffs. Professor X becomes passively unstoppable during Mind Control.

3) "Unstoppable Strength" with Hulk --> Juggernaut becomes infused with the power of Cyttorak when dropping below 20% health, doubling his benefits from the Gem. While a fury buff is active and below 20% health, Hulk is passively unstoppable and unblockable until he is afflicted with a non-damaging debuff.

That's literally 5 minutes of me thinking about the character, so I find it pretty disappointing they couldn't come up with updated synergies which are balanced (since my examples probably are not lol).

GrassKnuckles

I have hope for this one which is unlike the more recent ones

Vendemiaire

Could have been better if the Cyttorak can’t be disabled by ALL non-damaging debuffs.

This’ll make him hard to use against a tonload of nodes and he’s easily countered on defense.

Hieitaku

Not that it works all the time, but I would have loved it if he had Taunt when he has enough Unstoppable buffs, like say 7. Makes, or should make, sustaining the bonus from having close to max Unstoppable buffs easier. And an appropriate dialogue to go with that Taunt too.

At the very least, looks pretty fun to try out.

gage201205

His Power idex update seems very low, anyone else?

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GrandOldKai

Have to see in-game, but he cannot realistically be worse. As I envision it in my mind’s eye, I like it and feel like it should be true to the character.

One bone to pick with the updaters: why such a weak-kneed effort on updated synergies?

Dr. Zola

Yeah, this.

If they're going to only update one champion a month, I feel they could also look at updating the synergies - it just seems like a missed opportunity.

gage201205

Have to see in-game, but he cannot realistically be worse. As I envision it in my mind’s eye, I like it and feel like it should be true to the character.

One bone to pick with the updaters: why such a weak-kneed effort on updated synergies?

Dr. Zola
Yeah, this.

If they're going to only update one champion a month, I feel they could also look at updating the synergies - it just seems like a missed opportunity.

The bone i have to pick is the non damaging debuff just shutting him down, were talking about parry, heal block, resonate masteries, nodes, champs, and even alot of war nodes, this will make him unusable throughout the game such a bad design.

PowerOfACandle

No thoughts.

Mauled

He looks like an intercept-heavy champion like Invisible Woman, though hopefully with a bit more usability. My only concern is that there doesn’t seem to be a way to encourage either aggressive AI or fast specials or a power lock/suppression mechanic so i hope it’s not a case of you build him up then you can’t take advantage of him.

Looks promising though, and I have an awakened 6* - he was duped before I even had 10 6* so I’m happy this is finally happening.

Ercarret

I like what I'm seeing. We'll have to wait and see how he actually fares in the game to see how good he is, but on paper this is exactly what I want from a buff.

To those saying that he'll be too easily countered due to any non-damaging debuff shutting his Gem of Cyttorak off: I think that the reason for the wide application of that shut-down mechanic is that he would be constantly unstoppable otherwise, and eventually unblockable. In his current kit, he just gains a timed unstoppable. It's annoying if you don't have anyone who can apply slow, but you'll manage. However, in his new kit, he'll just keep stacking those unstoppable buffs throughout the fight. If there isn't a way for most champions to counter him to at least some extent, he'd be INCREDIBLY hard to fight. There are only about a dozen champions with slow in the game.

That said, maybe he doesn't need to lose his entire kit if he's stunned. It would have been enough if he couldn't go unstoppable.

Pikolu

Looks like he is an easier defender now. Parry and his gem is gone. Also his dupe makes him die faster to Void since that weakness is a debuff not passive 🤣

I'm glad he will be usable offensively and he might have good damage potential with that sp2 fury, but I think this just puts him in the middle limbo part of the mystic class.

GrandOldKai

Looks like he is an easier defender now. Parry and his gem is gone. Also his dupe makes him die faster to Void since that weakness is a debuff not passive 🤣

I'm glad he will be usable offensively and he might have good damage potential with that sp2 fury, but I think this just puts him in the middle limbo part of the mystic class.

Also, the AI likes to enter block a lot, so I don't think he's going to maintain very many stacks

Squammo

That unblockable mechanism of his seems a bit unnecessary to me and just adds unnecessary difficulty having to play around it.