I've pretty much stopped playing anyways. I'm not in an alliance and I don't do arena. I only do the SQ and Cavalier EQ and Story Content when there is some. Nothing about what they revealed today has made me any sort of excited and won't be increasing the amount I'm active. But it won't decrease it either. Mostly, I just want to know what the borders for seven stars will look like and what the unique mechanic will be
I read the roadmap for why they're adding both relics and 7* and I don't agree with it. They should’ve stuck with one or the other. And the only choice they had here was to only add 7* and not relics as they would be what continued longevity in the game. In my opinion relics will not be balanced in the game modes they are placed in. Too many mechanics to think about especially in battlegrounds to consider when drafting. People got on a misconception that relics would replace 7* when they simply couldn’t and 7* will have much simpler mechanics than relics.
No interest in starting my roster over. Maybe I would be for this if my 6* actually became my 7*. (Rank 5 and then some ascendence thing). But I know that won’t happen. The way it stands, 7* are my queue to find a new game.
I don’t have an issue with the seven stars coming in theory. But man the 6 star R5 aren’t even out yet. They couldn’t have spaced this out better? If they waited until a while after 6 star R5 even become obtainable it wouldn’t be that bad but doing it so soon just doesn’t sit well with me.
TLDR seven stars are cool but they really should have waited until 6 R5 had some time to breathe
Ascension sounds interesting. Relics sound like something that will add unnecessary complexity and they seem very likely to multiply bugs and game crashes. Honestly I'm having a hard time just learning to play new champs well with my available time so I don't know how it will be with relics, but time will tell. I don't really have a problem with 7*s. It will be a long time before they take over. Nevertheless I do find the timing a little strange. It's currently a slow process and expensive to R4 a 6*. No one can R5 a 6*. It's not so much chasing after a new rarity that bothers me. I have a lot of 6*s I still want to take to R4 and eventually R5. I don't want to find myself debating whether I should rank up my 6* or save resources for 7*s. I'd rather think about 7*s after I've at least played with a r5 roster for awhile in content that is geared for r5s. Anyway, I'll continue to play the game as long as I enjoy it and I'll evaluate the changes after they happen.
I highly doubt you can even find a post on the forum asking for 7* to be added. Doesn’t seem to be a very player oriented decision.
To be fair, no one was asking for 6*s and there was a lot of outcry when they came out as well. In hindsight, do you think the game would be going strong right now if they had just stopped at 5*s? 7*s were inevitable and probably necessary. Are they necessary in the spring of 2023 when we don't even have r5 6*s? Maybe not. But at some point, it will be the new normal and the game will go on.
I for one am at least appreciative for the heads up. 7*s were always going to be a thing as long as the game is financially viable to kabam we can expect the star rarity of champs to increase. Genius marketing to announce this well in advance of Black Friday/cyber Monday and the holidays by the way.
A lot of us have spent many years building up our 6-star rosters after doing the same thing for the 4 and 5-star rosters and while this always felt like a possibility it’s hard not to feel at least a bit depressed. Those 6-star rosters feel instantly devalued.
I for one am at least appreciative for the heads up. 7*s were always going to be a thing as long as the game is financially viable to kabam we can expect the star rarity of champs to increase. Genius marketing to announce this well in advance of Black Friday/cyber Monday and the holidays by the way.
It is kind of odd, in that now there could be some buyer paralysis over investing further in 6-stars or just hold out for 7-stars. Spenders at the top are not gonna care, but for the more price-sensitive buyer, it might give them pause.
For example, on Cyber Monday, why care about a 6-star Nexus Selector (10 champions) if in the back of your mind you know 7-stars are officially coming? T6b and T3a are likely still gonna be valuable for 7-stars, but with the official announcement it slightly depreciates 6-star shards/crystals
I think a lot of the community are still feeling burnt about how 6* were introduced as well as how the live version of the Battlegrounds was introduced. This progression was inevitable and almost a requirement for the longevity of the game.
That being said, please do not have the initial 7* Pool full of every single champion. Initially keep it the size of the featured, maybe have Kabam choose the first 12 (please not all Groot level unless he’s bugged by then) and the community the other 12. Then let the pool increase over time, every new champion plus 2 from the current 6* basic pool so it grows gradually.
Either that or we absolutely need wish crystals by the time 7* are available to actually open. Actually can we can road map for wish crystals and masteries 2.0? Been waiting since February 2019 for a mastery update.
I think a lot of the community are still feeling burnt about how 6* were introduced as well as how the live version of the Battlegrounds was introduced. This progression was inevitable and almost a requirement for the longevity of the game.
That being said, please do not have the initial 7* Pool full of every single champion. Initially keep it the size of the featured, maybe have Kabam choose the first 12 (please not all Groot level unless he’s bugged by then) and the community the other 12. Then let the pool increase over time, every new champion plus 2 from the current 6* basic pool so it grows gradually.
Either that or we absolutely need wish crystals by the time 7* are available to actually open. Actually can we can road map for wish crystals and masteries 2.0? Been waiting since February 2019 for a mastery update.
Yeah I think the initial 7*s pool is so important to how well 7*s roll out. There was an awful pool of 6*s originally, to the point where I was hoping I pulled Cap WW2 because he was one of the most valuable alongside pre buff Yellowjacket and Nebula. There definitely needs to be good champions in there, maybe not necessarily Doom, herc right away, but at least like Elsa, Sentinel, Medusa levels where they are actually worthy of consideration amongst our 6* Hercs and Dooms.
The thing is, if they go too shallow with the pool I feel like that means the number of good champs will go down. I think 24 is definitely the minimum, but I wouldn't mind seeing 36 at the start. Yes it makes it harder to dupe, but it also means the number of good champs at the start could be bumped up a little.
I think a lot of the community are still feeling burnt about how 6* were introduced as well as how the live version of the Battlegrounds was introduced. This progression was inevitable and almost a requirement for the longevity of the game.
That being said, please do not have the initial 7* Pool full of every single champion. Initially keep it the size of the featured, maybe have Kabam choose the first 12 (please not all Groot level unless he’s bugged by then) and the community the other 12. Then let the pool increase over time, every new champion plus 2 from the current 6* basic pool so it grows gradually.
Either that or we absolutely need wish crystals by the time 7* are available to actually open. Actually can we can road map for wish crystals and masteries 2.0? Been waiting since February 2019 for a mastery update.
Yeah I think the initial 7*s pool is so important to how well 7*s roll out. There was an awful pool of 6*s originally, to the point where I was hoping I pulled Cap WW2 because he was one of the most valuable alongside pre buff Yellowjacket and Nebula. There definitely needs to be good champions in there, maybe not necessarily Doom, herc right away, but at least like Elsa, Sentinel, Medusa levels where they are actually worthy of consideration amongst our 6* Hercs and Dooms.
The thing is, if they go too shallow with the pool I feel like that means the number of good champs will go down. I think 24 is definitely the minimum, but I wouldn't mind seeing 36 at the start. Yes it makes it harder to dupe, but it also means the number of good champs at the start could be bumped up a little.
Thank God they have 230 champs to pick a starting pool from now instead of the roughly 100 they had when 6* came out lol.
7 stars ugh. But I think the real death is the relics. It’s why realm of champions did not work out as a mobile game. I refuse to pay for equipment to keep Up with the game with what I already have spent just upgrading champs.
I'm trying to decide whether to stop opening 6* crystals until November when the dupe gives 7* shards. I hate saving 6* shards but that's probably the way to go.
So, many moons ago Kabam says that they are making Relics to delay the release of 7-stars and allow the game to live longer without forcing the next progression level of attaining champions of a new rarity.
Now, Kabam says not only are Relics coming but so are 7-stars.
Yeah I'm done once this release. Thanks for helping me decide not to even get any Cyber Weekend deals too.
This game was a fun distraction for 7+ years. Back to something else now.
No one will care about my post, but I make it because Kabam maybe will figure out that they are not making the right decisions to keep loyal customers.
Everyone that's excited - happy for you. This isn't for me anymore.
I think it would be good if instead of that Ascension thing, after you max out a 6* champ you'll have the option to Evolve them, it'll be like a regular rank up but it'll be hard to get of course, and this will "comvert" your 6* r5 champ into a 7* rank 1 champ. I mean, why not? That way your 6* champs can truly progress and you wont have to do the same process to the same champ and get him all over again... 7 stars will be obtainable from crystals, but also you will be able to evolve as I said a maxed 6* into a 7* r1 champ and just continue with the same champion... Thoughts?
I think you don't understand why new rarities exist. The whole point to introducing a new rarity is: you don't have them yet. Allowing players to simply upgrade their existing 6* champs into full-fledged 7* champs would make 7* rarity pointless.
Ascension is in a sense the converse of rank overlap. When you pull a new 6* champ, it isn't necessarily more powerful than your 5* champs. Ignoring things like sigs and combat power, your 6* champ doesn't really become more powerful than your max 5* champs until you rank them to at least R2, and really R3. But *eventually* the 6* champs pull ahead, because your 5* champs are stuck at 5/65 (CR120) while 6* champs can go all the way up to R5 (CR150). Eventually, but this takes time and resources, and the resources required are gated initially. Ascension does a bit of the opposite, allows a 5/65 to jump up a little more, adding additional life to those 6* champs you have before you pull them as 7* rarity. But again, eventually the 7* champs will pull away. The time during which the rarities overlap, either by explicit rank overlap or by Ascension mechanics, are the window of time during which the transition from 5* to 6*, or 6* to 7* can happen less abruptly.
But you're *supposed* to eventually chase after the next rarity. That's why it exists. Fundamentally, that's the only reason they exist. Kabam is not going to allow you to "evolve" your existing 6* champs into 7* champs, because that eliminates the need to chase 7* champs, and that's the only reason to make 7* champs. We can't have the best way to acquire a 7* champ be: chase the 6* version then evolve it. Because as 7* champs get introduced, the ability to acquire 6* champs will get easier and easier. It will soon be as easy to catch a specific 6* champ as it is now to get a specific 5* champ.
I remember people freaking out when 6* was announced. What do you expect? The game needs to progress and 7* champs is a natural progression. I’m excited for it. I want 7* r1 champs to be at the same power level as 6* r3 or R4. Let’s continue this game for a few more years
I think it would be good if instead of that Ascension thing, after you max out a 6* champ you'll have the option to Evolve them, it'll be like a regular rank up but it'll be hard to get of course, and this will "comvert" your 6* r5 champ into a 7* rank 1 champ. I mean, why not? That way your 6* champs can truly progress and you wont have to do the same process to the same champ and get him all over again... 7 stars will be obtainable from crystals, but also you will be able to evolve as I said a maxed 6* into a 7* r1 champ and just continue with the same champion... Thoughts?
I think you don't understand why new rarities exist. The whole point to introducing a new rarity is: you don't have them yet. Allowing players to simply upgrade their existing 6* champs into full-fledged 7* champs would make 7* rarity pointless.
Ascension is in a sense the converse of rank overlap. When you pull a new 6* champ, it isn't necessarily more powerful than your 5* champs. Ignoring things like sigs and combat power, your 6* champ doesn't really become more powerful than your max 5* champs until you rank them to at least R2, and really R3. But *eventually* the 6* champs pull ahead, because your 5* champs are stuck at 5/65 (CR120) while 6* champs can go all the way up to R5 (CR150). Eventually, but this takes time and resources, and the resources required are gated initially. Ascension does a bit of the opposite, allows a 5/65 to jump up a little more, adding additional life to those 6* champs you have before you pull them as 7* rarity. But again, eventually the 7* champs will pull away. The time during which the rarities overlap, either by explicit rank overlap or by Ascension mechanics, are the window of time during which the transition from 5* to 6*, or 6* to 7* can happen less abruptly.
But you're *supposed* to eventually chase after the next rarity. That's why it exists. Fundamentally, that's the only reason they exist. Kabam is not going to allow you to "evolve" your existing 6* champs into 7* champs, because that eliminates the need to chase 7* champs, and that's the only reason to make 7* champs. We can't have the best way to acquire a 7* champ be: chase the 6* version then evolve it. Because as 7* champs get introduced, the ability to acquire 6* champs will get easier and easier. It will soon be as easy to catch a specific 6* champ as it is now to get a specific 5* champ.
Its about timing. The timing is the only reason people complain in my opinion. Next year would be a blast and people would love it.
I for one am at least appreciative for the heads up. 7*s were always going to be a thing as long as the game is financially viable to kabam we can expect the star rarity of champs to increase. Genius marketing to announce this well in advance of Black Friday/cyber Monday and the holidays by the way.
It is kind of odd, in that now there could be some buyer paralysis over investing further in 6-stars or just hold out for 7-stars. Spenders at the top are not gonna care, but for the more price-sensitive buyer, it might give them pause.
For example, on Cyber Monday, why care about a 6-star Nexus Selector (10 champions) if in the back of your mind you know 7-stars are officially coming? T6b and T3a are likely still gonna be valuable for 7-stars, but with the official announcement it slightly depreciates 6-star shards/crystals
If the past is any kind of indicator it will be almost 6 months AFTER 7*s are released before god tier and above champs are available. I remember the first couple of batches of 6* champs were terrible star lord and cap wwii were the best you could hope for. With that in mind it will be about a year from now before players have a 7* worth investing in not to mention rank up materials for 7*s will lag behind their release. I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to not see a r2 7* until late 2023 or early 2024
I for one am at least appreciative for the heads up. 7*s were always going to be a thing as long as the game is financially viable to kabam we can expect the star rarity of champs to increase. Genius marketing to announce this well in advance of Black Friday/cyber Monday and the holidays by the way.
It is kind of odd, in that now there could be some buyer paralysis over investing further in 6-stars or just hold out for 7-stars. Spenders at the top are not gonna care, but for the more price-sensitive buyer, it might give them pause.
For example, on Cyber Monday, why care about a 6-star Nexus Selector (10 champions) if in the back of your mind you know 7-stars are officially coming? T6b and T3a are likely still gonna be valuable for 7-stars, but with the official announcement it slightly depreciates 6-star shards/crystals
If the past is any kind of indicator it will be almost 6 months AFTER 7*s are released before god tier and above champs are available. I remember the first couple of batches of 6* champs were terrible star lord and cap wwii were the best you could hope for. With that in mind it will be about a year from now before players have a 7* worth investing in not to mention rank up materials for 7*s will lag behind their release. I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to not see a r2 7* until late 2023 or early 2024
And yet people are crying the end is near. All they see is the immediate future and chasing only a handful of so called top tier champs. They aren't looking at the long term future.
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Having said that, I ... don't really care. As long as 8.1+ story content is not gated behind requiring 7-stars, I will just progress at my own pace.
Mostly, I just want to know what the borders for seven stars will look like and what the unique mechanic will be
TLDR seven stars are cool but they really should have waited until 6 R5 had some time to breathe
For example, on Cyber Monday, why care about a 6-star Nexus Selector (10 champions) if in the back of your mind you know 7-stars are officially coming? T6b and T3a are likely still gonna be valuable for 7-stars, but with the official announcement it slightly depreciates 6-star shards/crystals
That being said, please do not have the initial 7* Pool full of every single champion. Initially keep it the size of the featured, maybe have Kabam choose the first 12 (please not all Groot level unless he’s bugged by then) and the community the other 12. Then let the pool increase over time, every new champion plus 2 from the current 6* basic pool so it grows gradually.
Either that or we absolutely need wish crystals by the time 7* are available to actually open. Actually can we can road map for wish crystals and masteries 2.0? Been waiting since February 2019 for a mastery update.
The thing is, if they go too shallow with the pool I feel like that means the number of good champs will go down. I think 24 is definitely the minimum, but I wouldn't mind seeing 36 at the start. Yes it makes it harder to dupe, but it also means the number of good champs at the start could be bumped up a little.
Up with the game with what I already have spent just upgrading champs.
Now, Kabam says not only are Relics coming but so are 7-stars.
Yeah I'm done once this release. Thanks for helping me decide not to even get any Cyber Weekend deals too.
This game was a fun distraction for 7+ years. Back to something else now.
No one will care about my post, but I make it because Kabam maybe will figure out that they are not making the right decisions to keep loyal customers.
Everyone that's excited - happy for you. This isn't for me anymore.
Ascension is in a sense the converse of rank overlap. When you pull a new 6* champ, it isn't necessarily more powerful than your 5* champs. Ignoring things like sigs and combat power, your 6* champ doesn't really become more powerful than your max 5* champs until you rank them to at least R2, and really R3. But *eventually* the 6* champs pull ahead, because your 5* champs are stuck at 5/65 (CR120) while 6* champs can go all the way up to R5 (CR150). Eventually, but this takes time and resources, and the resources required are gated initially. Ascension does a bit of the opposite, allows a 5/65 to jump up a little more, adding additional life to those 6* champs you have before you pull them as 7* rarity. But again, eventually the 7* champs will pull away. The time during which the rarities overlap, either by explicit rank overlap or by Ascension mechanics, are the window of time during which the transition from 5* to 6*, or 6* to 7* can happen less abruptly.
But you're *supposed* to eventually chase after the next rarity. That's why it exists. Fundamentally, that's the only reason they exist. Kabam is not going to allow you to "evolve" your existing 6* champs into 7* champs, because that eliminates the need to chase 7* champs, and that's the only reason to make 7* champs. We can't have the best way to acquire a 7* champ be: chase the 6* version then evolve it. Because as 7* champs get introduced, the ability to acquire 6* champs will get easier and easier. It will soon be as easy to catch a specific 6* champ as it is now to get a specific 5* champ.
Won't be opening 6* crystals until Nov update.