Sandbagging in BGS should be okay

I dont get why sandbagging in battlegrounds is not okay. There are not rules against it.
I am very far from the most skilled player, but I do spend many hours each day (+5) to improve my account and I spend 100s of usd on this game every month.

This is how I approach the game and make up for lack of skills. Spending money (and time) to keep up. Why is this not legit? Why should this be taken away from me? I dont get it…

BTW. I am not high in tiers despite sandbagging. Only just made it to Plat.

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Rudolph_Raindeer

Well this is my approach to getting the rewards. Others are more skilled and they use another approach. Each to his own. Why interfere? Sandbagging has been a thing in arena since forever.

Add on: the last 12 matches I have lost, so I really dont see why people are SO MUCH in disadvantsge when I sandbag 🤨

LeNoirFaineant

I dont get why sandbagging in battlegrounds is not okay. There are not rules against it.
I am very far from the most skilled player, but I do spend many hours each day (+5) to improve my account and I spend 100s of usd on this game every month.

This is how I approach the game and make up for lack of skills. Spending money (and time) to keep up. Why is this not legit? Why should this be taken away from me? I dont get it…

BTW. I am not high in tiers despite sandbagging. Only just made it to Plat.

I don't understand how this is a question. The purpose of sandbagging is so that you can move up the tiers by beating up weaker players who also want to play Battle Grounds. How much you play or how much you spend is irrelevant. You really can't see why this isn't fair to the players with lower accounts?

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Bulmkt

So getting wiped out by an opponent with 6 R4 and 24 R3 while you have at best 12 R3 and a combo of R2 and R5 5* for the other 18 is perfectly fine?

AverageDesi

I mean, no bodies stopping you from doing it. You'll just not benefit from it once they change matchmaking

tusharNair

The purpose of the game mode should be to pair similar level accounts and players
What you are doing is pairing yourself against someone you have a very significant roster advantage over to give yourself an advantage sizeable enough to easily climb the ladder and get rewards you would not be able to achieve otherwise

What this does is give you rewards you don’t deserve and perhaps more importantly, punishes a lesser player and denies them a fair opportunity to earn rewards

It should be taken away because you are not fairly earning these rewards. You are gaming the system to bully lesser rosters to make up for your inadequacies.

To paraphrase the great Alan Shore - “ I hated bullies on the playground when I was six, I tolerate them no better on a mobile video game in my thirties ”

If the "purpose" of this game mode is to match similar level accounts why my alt account is getting matched with paragon players having multiple r4 6 stars ( no sandbagging) against my lowly TB account with just 3 r3 6 stars....lol...this is moot ...lol

Mackey

The purpose of the game mode should be to pair accounts according to the tier they're in not similar accounts. If a cav player is in Plat 3 and so is a paragon then why can't the 2 meet... this is how the matchmaking should work but it doesn't 🤦‍♂️.

It shouldn't be off of deck rating or similar progression or similar rated account etc etc

I am against those who sandbag

WhatsGoodEnglish

“Sandbagging is OK in the arena” has to be that dumbest argument I’ve seen people continue to use as justification as to why they should be allowed to do so in battlegrounds. They are two different things. You are not directly going up against another player in the arena. Your sandbagging has zero effect on other players playing that mode. Winning or losing fights is the only thing being judged to allow you to continue your streak. In BG you are directly facing another individual in real time. You are drafting and selecting who your opponent will fight and metrics such as time and health are being considered in your performance. Exploiting the matchmaking system to give yourself an easier fight gives you an unfair advantage and directly effects the players you go up against. It’s like letting heavyweights into a lightweight boxing division and compete against people half their size.

Colinwhitworth69

I dont get why sandbagging in battlegrounds is not okay. There are not rules against it.
I am very far from the most skilled player, but I do spend many hours each day (+5) to improve my account and I spend 100s of usd on this game every month.

This is how I approach the game and make up for lack of skills. Spending money (and time) to keep up. Why is this not legit? Why should this be taken away from me? I dont get it…

BTW. I am not high in tiers despite sandbagging. Only just made it to Plat.

Somewhere in this post is the definition of “entitlement”.

Yes, you aren’t breaking rules, just demonstrating poor sportsmanship so you can manipulate the game in your favour. Which is certainly your right, as the game stands now.

TyEdge

There are two different purposes to what we call “sandbagging.”

1) helping yourself draw weaker opponents

2) exercising control over the ban system.

Number 1 is a Kabam problem that they could easily fix by changing the metrics behind matchmaking. I’m sympathetic to players with weaker decks…I just became paragon so I still wince at people with Herc, Doom and others I can’t get at r4.

Number 2 is a way to filter champs you can’t counter out of the pool while concentrating your choices among champs you prefer using.

It actually helps players with thinner rosters. They can use 6 spots in their deck on low-level champs they don't fight well, don’t have, or don’t have ranked. They can ban 3 of those champs, then their card draws will be 21 favorable champs and 3 duds (3 of their hood champs will be banned).

I wouldn’t say a peep about Kabam fixing number 1. There are plenty of ways to do it. Number 2 is a valid strategy for a number of reasons. I played BGs for a while before I realized my bans affected me too. This takes champs that we’re unlikely to be chosen anyway (25th-30th in the deck) and just ensures that won’t happen.

ItsDamien

So in other words you’re not skilled enough and don’t have the roster to be in Plat and sandbagged your way there.

LeoZed

So in other words you’re not skilled enough and don’t have the roster to be in Plat and sandbagged your way there.

Well well we got 1 sec kills too on the way there... I am in bronze and got a 16 sec kill on my korg 5star sig 200 with a 5 star doom...

Giuliameij

“Sandbagging is OK in the arena” has to be that dumbest argument I’ve seen people continue to use as justification as to why they should be allowed to do so in battlegrounds. They are two different things. You are not directly going up against another player in the arena. Your sandbagging has zero effect on other players playing that mode. Winning or losing fights is the only thing being judged to allow you to continue your streak. In BG you are directly facing another individual in real time. You are drafting and selecting who your opponent will fight and metrics such as time and health are being considered in your performance. Exploiting the matchmaking system to give yourself an easier fight gives you an unfair advantage and directly effects the players you go up against. It’s like letting heavyweights into a lightweight boxing division and compete against people half their size.

Well, actually. If you do not sandbag in arena you get harder matchups. So you sandbag to get over 15 wins to reach a big number of points to get a new champion. Players that do not have the ability to sandbag because their champs are too low will get be able to get a 3x multiplier and thus never a score to get a new champ. So sandbagging in arena actually does affect the people you go up against.

And to the boxing arguement. If the heavyweight loses all of hij leg mass he might be light enough to get into the lightweight class. His upper body will still have the strength to punch way harder than the lightweight. But if the heavyweight is unlucky and loses his balance (having to pull 2* into your 7 picks) he will surely lose.
The actually is much more in line with the comparison you are trying to make.

Toyota_2015

This is how I approach the game and make up for lack of skills.

Lack of skills = less rewards. That's just like every other part of the game, and BGs should be no different

GinjabredMonsta

It sounds like even trying to sandbag, you’re not able to beat your opponent. So why even try it?

Terra

Haha.
No.

PapaMidnite007

I strongly disagree sandbagging is essentially killing every chance of fair match ups for players with less developed rosters

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gannicus0830

Is this guy actually arguing that sandbagging is OK? Did I freaking read that right?
Get bent dude.

Captainaiden

Sand bagging is for cowards

No pity for a coward

Adevati

I disagree with a lot of people here.

Sandbagging IS against the rules. It is an exploit on the matchmaking system. Just because you are not physically barred from performing an action; doesn’t mean it is not an exploit. Kabam has stated this is not their intention. Kabam has very quickly patched the problem. Yet, players are still finding ways around it—those players are exploiting the game which is against the TOS. See this excerpt:

“Use features of the Services for anything other than their intended purpose, including exploiting glitches for personal gain”

Given Kabam’s statement and actions on this matter, you cannot argue sandbagging is intended; therefore you are breaking the rules.

I’ve only played about 20 matches. And I’ve ran into about 5 sandbaggers. In all instances, their drafted champs were very comparable to mine. So Kabam’s change is working to an extent. This leads me to believe that players, like OP, have done extra trial and error to add more/lower champs to get around Kabam’s preventive measures. Which is basically the definition of an exploit.

Rudolph_Raindeer

This is me getting all the benefits from sandbagging and “cheating” everyone else.

Ended up with four 2s champs in my fighting deck. Pretty sure my opponent was ok with me “cheating” 🤷🏻‍♂️

Captainaiden

This is me getting all the benefits from sandbagging and “cheating” everyone else.

Ended up with four 2s champs in my fighting deck. Pretty sure my opponent was ok with me “cheating” 🤷🏻‍♂️

I wish kabam will always do this to all sandbaggers. And serve you right!!!

altavista

In essence, you are arguing that doping with a new drug that is not listed on the ban list, is okay if you suck at bicycling. Using a drug not explicitly listed as against the rule for an advantage, is still not something that should be supported. Why should a doper get to race in the Tour De France? A person can use steroids in on their own time, but in the competitive setting, they should be racing in the skill level they are at.

If it is a competition and you are not skilled, you should be either (1) improving your skills through the hours you claim to put in, or (2) you don't truly deserve the higher level rewards.

Bazzingaaa

Sandbagger alert! 😂

Rudolph_Raindeer

Skill = rewards. Yes I very much agree, but also money = rewards. If all of us could do with skills alone, we would not use any money, and how long do you think kabam would keep mcoc alive 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Adevati

Skill = rewards. Yes I very much agree, but also money = rewards. If all of us could do with skills alone, we would not use any money, and how long do you think kabam would keep mcoc alive 🤷🏻‍♂️

Skill wouldn’t get you a resort pass, or weekly cav specials, or July 4th/Black Friday/etc deals, or top tier gifting event rewards.

Whales aren’t spending because they lack skills.

Panchulon21

So my question isn’t about bg, but why do people sandbag in arena? I haven’t sandbagged in arena since I had 5 max 4 star champs. Are they not skilled enough to beat champs who have maybe 5-10k more health and maybe 700 more attack than their champs?

This is why it confuses me on why it’s even used as an argument to sandbagging in bg. The difference here is when you sandbag you’re adding on 300% health and attack, some combo of nodes that make the fights much harder than a wack arena fight lol