Battlegrounds season 3

To clarify are we being matched on prestige? Like war used to be or does victory track and gladiator circuit have different match making?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/319592/battlegrounds-season-3-changelog#latest

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Graves_3

I would like to know as well. And it says after season 3 starts. Does it mean right from the beginning or at some point after season 3 starts, they will silently change matchmaking.

_Pez_

Would be good to get some clarification of the new matchmaking approach. If it's based on your deck strength I don't see anything wrong for example with someone using a full 5* deck even if they have better, but the phrasing implies they would be punished for it.

If though it's the case that you get matched with anyone regardless of your deck based on league you are in I'm all for that.

designsoda

If matchmaking is only based on account strength then it basically disincentivizes rank ups. That would be bad.

If matchmaking is only based on BG rank then smaller accounts won't get very far. Also bad I suppose. But ultimately part of the game is account growth.

My own biased take is that to avoid sandbagging matchmaking should be based on BG rank. Big accounts will have an easier time at the beginning but eventually they should start facing each other at the top.

If you don't do that then you may have big accounts playing an essentially parallel game to get the same rewards as smaller accounts. At that point you might as well have two separate leagues.

SummonerNR

I would like to know as well. And it says after season 3 starts. Does it mean right from the beginning or at some point after season 3 starts, they will silently change matchmaking.

Same thought, when does that mean ?
Exact quote is “shortly after season 3 starts”. So definitely not the same as “from the beginning”.

Matchmaking Changes!

We’ve seen a number of users with very high prestige using some very low ranked champions… all the way down to 2*s! What a weird thing to do, we thought, so we decided to change up some of the matchmaking parameters to help ensure users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena. These changes will be going live shortly after season 3 starts.

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Hopefully will be some type of “TOP xx #” of your DECK (like prestige of your best 10 in your Deck). So that you can opt for full teams of something other than your very top champs.

Full teams of all similar high 4* would let you have more variety in your selections, and be able to select more champs that count towards Kabam's Extra Points Structure (in Ally Event points) that last season included champs w/ Tags of Villain, Off. burst, and Def. Util.

designsoda

Hopefully will be some type of “TOP xx #” of your DECK (like prestige of your best 10 in your Deck). So that you can opt for full teams of something other than your very top champs.

Full teams of all similar high 4* would let you have more variety in your selections, and be able to select more champs that count towards Kabam's Extra Points Structure (in Ally Event points) that last season included champs w/ Tags of Villain, Off. burst, and Def. Util.

The 4 star deck is what I did at the very start of the season. Once I hit gold in victory track I went all out with my full 6 star deck. It's just quicker to get up to where your account should be anyway. Otherwise it can be a slow slog up thr ranks.

Coppin

Everytime someone asks on how its gonna work makes me wonder why they need the details...
As if they are trying to find a way around it...just play with your best deck dang it

Mr_Platypus

Hopefully it’s not based on your prestige, because prestige based matchmaking will lead to the same issues alliance war had

Graves_3

I would like to know as well. And it says after season 3 starts. Does it mean right from the beginning or at some point after season 3 starts, they will silently change matchmaking.
Same thought, when does that mean ?
Exact quote is “shortly after season 3 starts”. So definitely not the same as “from the beginning”.
Matchmaking Changes!

We’ve seen a number of users with very high prestige using some very low ranked champions… all the way down to 2*s! What a weird thing to do, we thought, so we decided to change up some of the matchmaking parameters to help ensure users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena. These changes will be going live shortly after season 3 starts.
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Hopefully will be some type of “TOP xx #” of your DECK (like prestige of your best 10 in your Deck). So that you can opt for full teams of something other than your very top champs.

Full teams of all similar high 4* would let you have more variety in your selections, and be able to select more champs that count towards Kabam's Extra Points Structure (in Ally Event points) that last season included champs w/ Tags of Villain, Off. burst, and Def. Util.

I am actually thinking that they will base matchmaking on account prestige. That’s kind of the vibe the portion of the announcement you have highlighted gives me.

Ironman3000

No mention if everyone is starting at 0 again??

ItsClobberinTime

To clarify are we being matched on prestige? Like war used to be or does victory track and gladiator circuit have different match making?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/319592/battlegrounds-season-3-changelog#latest

They're probably not going to tell us what they're changing. It seems like they want sandbagging to backfire on the people doing it so they find out for themselves, for a while at least cause I'm sure they'll tell us what they actually changed eventually

DNA3000

I would like to know as well. And it says after season 3 starts. Does it mean right from the beginning or at some point after season 3 starts, they will silently change matchmaking.
Same thought, when does that mean ?
Exact quote is “shortly after season 3 starts”. So definitely not the same as “from the beginning”.
Matchmaking Changes!

We’ve seen a number of users with very high prestige using some very low ranked champions… all the way down to 2*s! What a weird thing to do, we thought, so we decided to change up some of the matchmaking parameters to help ensure users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena. These changes will be going live shortly after season 3 starts.
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Hopefully will be some type of “TOP xx #” of your DECK (like prestige of your best 10 in your Deck). So that you can opt for full teams of something other than your very top champs.

Full teams of all similar high 4* would let you have more variety in your selections, and be able to select more champs that count towards Kabam's Extra Points Structure (in Ally Event points) that last season included champs w/ Tags of Villain, Off. burst, and Def. Util.

The only way to fulfill their statement "users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena" would be if match making ignored deck composition entirely. There are ways to eliminate the advantage of using low sandbag champs in your deck that still actually look at deck composition, but unless that statement is a mistake, there is no way to do that while still looking at deck composition for match making.

Logically, the most direct way to fulfill their statement to offer no advantage to players not placing their "top teams" into their decks is to match based on what the game considers your "top team" to be, whether you actually use it or not. Of course, there's no way for the game servers to "calculate" what that literal strongest deck construction would be, but it can make reasonable (rank and rarity) guesses.

Chatterofforums

I absolutely agree clarity on matchmaking would be great. This will be a proactive approach in avoiding the same repeat arguments of last season. These discussions Included low players complaining about being matched up with stronger players (even in gladiator circuit) and saying BG is supposed to be about "fair matchmaking" (despite going for same rewards) and strong players complaining about (and using roster manipulation) lower players getting easier matchups despite being in same tier and fighting for same rewards.

zuffy

Wouldn’t it be easier to put a restriction in that only 2 consecutive rarity can be in the deck, like 3-4*, 4-5*, 5-6*. You can’t mix 6* with any 1-4*, only 5*.

DNA3000

Wouldn’t it be easier to put a restriction in that only 2 consecutive rarity can be in the deck, like 3-4*, 4-5*, 5-6*. You can’t mix 6* with any 1-4*, only 5*.

I don't know that "easier" matters, but if we're speaking academically no it wouldn't necessarily be easier. Changing match making to ignore deck doesn't require any UI changes. Restricting how players can construct decks requires adding dynamic logic to the deck construction UI to ensure players cannot or do not violate those rules and appropriately blocks or warns them of violations. Generally speaking, such changes would require more time to implement and test.

Graves_3

I would like to know as well. And it says after season 3 starts. Does it mean right from the beginning or at some point after season 3 starts, they will silently change matchmaking.
Same thought, when does that mean ?
Exact quote is “shortly after season 3 starts”. So definitely not the same as “from the beginning”.
Matchmaking Changes!

We’ve seen a number of users with very high prestige using some very low ranked champions… all the way down to 2*s! What a weird thing to do, we thought, so we decided to change up some of the matchmaking parameters to help ensure users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena. These changes will be going live shortly after season 3 starts.
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Hopefully will be some type of “TOP xx #” of your DECK (like prestige of your best 10 in your Deck). So that you can opt for full teams of something other than your very top champs.

Full teams of all similar high 4* would let you have more variety in your selections, and be able to select more champs that count towards Kabam's Extra Points Structure (in Ally Event points) that last season included champs w/ Tags of Villain, Off. burst, and Def. Util.
The only way to fulfill their statement "users won’t have any reason to not bring their top teams to Battlegrounds arena" would be if match making ignored deck composition entirely. There are ways to eliminate the advantage of using low sandbag champs in your deck that still actually look at deck composition, but unless that statement is a mistake, there is no way to do that while still looking at deck composition for match making.

Logically, the most direct way to fulfill their statement to offer no advantage to players not placing their "top teams" into their decks is to match based on what the game considers your "top team" to be, whether you actually use it or not. Of course, there's no way for the game servers to "calculate" what that literal strongest deck construction would be, but it can make reasonable (rank and rarity) guesses.

That’s exactly what I think it is. The game will probably match based on parameters that already exist in game like the account PI or prestige. Will try to see if that’s true by using my low ranked alt accounts as well as the main account.

Just_grinding

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress

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zuffy

Wouldn’t it be easier to put a restriction in that only 2 consecutive rarity can be in the deck, like 3-4*, 4-5*, 5-6*. You can’t mix 6* with any 1-4*, only 5*.
I don't know that "easier" matters, but if we're speaking academically no it wouldn't necessarily be easier. Changing match making to ignore deck doesn't require any UI changes. Restricting how players can construct decks requires adding dynamic logic to the deck construction UI to ensure players cannot or do not violate those rules and appropriately blocks or warns them of violations. Generally speaking, such changes would require more time to implement and test.

Look at Variants where they have filters restricting class, tag. No reason they can’t do the same for BG.

ItsClobberinTime

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress

Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol

_Pez_

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol

Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.

I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.

There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.

GroundedWisdom

There IS a point where that happens. They only progress as far as they can. That doesn't mean it's reasonable for people to have the ability to manipulate the Matchmaking in order to get cheap Wins. Unfortunately, the system makes that method particularly lucrative because of how progress is accumulated.
I'm going to be quite frank because the conversation has gone on for some time, and I'm running out of politically correct ways of putting it.
People don't have the right to jump down and mess with the success of lower Matches, and there's nothing about skill involved in manipulating the Matchmaking like that.
It's also hypocritical because they're arguing that it shouldn't depend on what they're bringing, but they're literally relying on what they're bringing to stonewall weaker Players.
There, I said it.

ItsClobberinTime

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.

I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.

There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.

Yes, that's why GC exists, I doubt any Uncollected or Cavalier player made it that far. However, anything below GC should be achievable for everyone.
I do agree that at some point the fights needs to be harder of course but a Cavalier facing a Paragon? With their top rosters? There is not a single alternate universe or reality where the Cavalier player beats the Paragon lol. So yes, harder fights absolutely, impossible to win fights, no unless you're close to GC cause GC is only for top players of course.

_Pez_

I think this is why just some clarification would be useful. The measure of account strength has the potential to just shift the group of people victory track is inaccessible for. It's all hypothetical unless they clarify how they are setting it up. Coming up with a fair measure is not simple and I don't have faith that what they will come up with will be well thought out.

E.g. anything similar to prestige or title matchmaking would be probably the worst system. Someone new to a higher title or someone who has 5 strong champs and the rest significantly lower would most likely struggle more than say someone who has a full roster of similar strength even if that deck was lower in rarity. I'd argue someone, say a throne breaker with 5 6*r3 and 25 5*r5 as their best should be able to progress quicker, than someone say a cavalier with 30 5*r5 but I don't think they would if prestige/title/similar was the criteria. In this case the cavalier player now has things easier and accessible but the thronebreaker less so, they are punished by the new system

I'd still argue that in a league system, basing on league alone should be enough to eventually separate people into their correct places and account should be ignored. And I maintain if even battles are the aim, then you should be free to choose that level for yourself, not restricted to kabams measure of your best team. The person with 5 6*r3 should be allowed to remove them, use just 5*r5 and get even matches so they are not the ones punished.

SandeepS

No mention if everyone is starting at 0 again??

I believe every season we go to 0

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Ironman3000

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol

Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.

Ironman3000

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Then the system should be such that they won't be in the same league for long.

I feel what should happen naturally throughout the season is the people who should rise to the top will be those with stronger accounts and those with smaller accounts who are skillful enough to make up for their smaller roster and have beaten people with stronger accounts.

There should come a point where smaller accounts can't progress further in the league structure if they haven't tested themselves against stronger accounts.
Yes, that's why GC exists, I doubt any Uncollected or Cavalier player made it that far. However, anything below GC should be achievable for everyone.
I do agree that at some point the fights needs to be harder of course but a Cavalier facing a Paragon? With their top rosters? There is not a single alternate universe or reality where the Cavalier player beats the Paragon lol. So yes, harder fights absolutely, impossible to win fights, no unless you're close to GC cause GC is only for top players of course.

Actually many did if you read the forums. They got easy Cav/UC matches until GC then came crying to the forums when they had to face actual matches. Meanwhile, many higher players were stuck in the VT slugging it against 15k accounts. That's what upset so many. The higher accounts shouldn't be stuck in the VT facing only 15k accounts when lower players got an easy ride the the GC.

GroundedWisdom

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.

How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?

Ironman3000

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?

This replay makes no sense.

GroundedWisdom

Why look at the deck at all @Kabam Miike. If I’ve spent a lot of hours getting to paragon, why can’t I matchup against a cavalier player? That just makes it much harder for better accounts to progress
Why can't I matchup against someone who doesn't stand a chance? What kind of question is that? Lol
Because you're in the same tier and fighting for the same rewards. It's really not hard to understand.
How do you know what the right Tier is when people are cherry picking Matches?
This replay makes no sense.

Yes it does. How do Players fall into the Tier they're supposed to be when others are sandbagging? The answer is you don't know. It affects the standings.
For some reason, people have been using that justification for pecking off whoever they feel belongs in the same Tier, and that excuse holds about as much water as a fishnet.