The difficulty increase is ridiculous

Starhawk

I used to be able to auto fight master but now can't auto fight the easiest path in the equivalent of conqueror.

does Kabam only care about people with larger rosters and better skills? I'm very close to calling it quits again.

The difficulty level needs to be fixed. The player PI is ridiculous this month!

GroundedWisdom

Your complaint is that you can't do Master on Auto?

TheGenderBender

They increased the difficulty for all levels except maybe Cavalier (which they took away a node), but didn't change the rewards... and they even took away the 'special' completion rewards for Cavalier. This is a step back for all side quest difficulty levels! However, they added Thronebreaker so those players who have strong 6* rosters can get more rewards. This is not a good move for the general player, i.e. most of the players.

phil56201

You’re talking about this difficulty?



How could that be too difficult? Especially if you have the roster to complete this level of EQ on auto fight...??

crogs

I just don't remember master quest completions only giving 5 units. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I thought it was 10 units. Now proven is the comparable level, and it's giving 5 units. This is a downgrade. I use times when I'm not actively playing to autofight these quests during champ events to build up units.

I don't care about overall difficulty, I compare about the reward decrease for comparable content.

Starhawk

GroundedWisdom said:

Your complaint is that you can't do Master on Auto?

no that is just one example of it...look at the PI/difficulty of champs compared to last month's. @phil56201 look at the final boss PI in master...it's basically the PI that Uncollected used to be prior to this month

LeNoirFaineant

crogs said:

I just don't remember master quest completions only giving 5 units. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I thought it was 10 units. Now proven is the comparable level, and it's giving 5 units. This is a downgrade. I use times when I'm not actively playing to autofight these quests during champ events to build up units.

I don't care about overall difficulty, I compare about the reward decrease for comparable content.

Master only gave units in the past when you completed a chapter. Nothing for the first quest. Pretty sure the units are the same.

Doctorwho13

LeNoirFaineant said:

crogs said:

I just don't remember master quest completions only giving 5 units. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I thought it was 10 units. Now proven is the comparable level, and it's giving 5 units. This is a downgrade. I use times when I'm not actively playing to autofight these quests during champ events to build up units.

I don't care about overall difficulty, I compare about the reward decrease for comparable content.

Master only gave units in the past when you completed a chapter. Nothing for the first quest. Pretty sure the units are the same.

I think they changed that too though? Back in 2020 maybe? I could swear (I am getting old) they used to do units on master for quest completion then changed it to chapter. .

Anyway. I originally came to add that I just did a check through. I couldn’t find any unit rewards whatsoever - completion. Exploration. Chapter quest - for proven or conquered. Like nothing.

For people unit farming that’s a hit. I think it could be safely said that it’s not exactly an aid or help to new players at those levels either.

Starhawk

Doctorwho13 said:

LeNoirFaineant said:

crogs said:

I just don't remember master quest completions only giving 5 units. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I thought it was 10 units. Now proven is the comparable level, and it's giving 5 units. This is a downgrade. I use times when I'm not actively playing to autofight these quests during champ events to build up units.

I don't care about overall difficulty, I compare about the reward decrease for comparable content.

Master only gave units in the past when you completed a chapter. Nothing for the first quest. Pretty sure the units are the same.

I think they changed that too though? Back in 2020 maybe? I could swear (I am getting old) they used to do units on master for quest completion then changed it to chapter. .

Anyway. I originally came to add that I just did a check through. I couldn’t find any unit rewards whatsoever - completion. Exploration. Chapter quest - for proven or conquered. Like nothing.

For people unit farming that’s a hit. I think it could be safely said that it’s not exactly an aid or help to new players at those levels either.

I may need to stop playing the monthly quests altogether after these changes and stick to the side quest. guess I should thank Kabam for all of the free time gained. i will adjust my spending accordingly based on how much less time i'll be playing...assuming i don't quit. i'll give them some time to fix this fiasco next month. the problem is at least once a year Kabam increases Uncollected difficulty without increasing rewards. This is the first time that I can recall where they did it to the lower difficulty quests as well....talk about deaf ears....

KingInBlack

I dont think anyone is complaining the lower difficulty are too difficult, more that they went up a lot in difficulty and the rewards stayed stagnant. I used to auto the first quest in UC, I often auto lower EQ during work hours or when I'm busy to use energy, now the first UC fight has more than triple the health it used to. I like the added difficulty personally but for lower accounts it's a big difference with no added benefit.

Chatterofforums

Too hard because can't autofight it has got to be among one of worst arguments of all time in global.

Bocksarox

I haven't stepped foot into the event quest yet, but I'm struggling to auto fight Threat Level 2 in the side quest with a team of R3 and R4 champs.

Starhawk

Chatterofforums said:

Too hard because can't autofight it has got to be among one of worst arguments of all time in global.

i used to be able to auto fight most of uncollected now i can't auto fight the equivalent of master...this was just to show how much of a leap the increase went up by. If you can't understand that there isn't anything I can do for you.

Rasilover

Skill issue

ChiliDog

They just spread out rewards and scrawed over cav difficulty.

Wozzle007

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

GroundedWisdom

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Which they will grow into.

Starhawk

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Thank You that's a better point than I was trying to make. I can complete Uncollected even this month I'm sure but it certainly will take longer than usual and for what? the same rewards....

MrSakuragi

And just like that, the community stopped complaining about the BG meta

Licky

Uncollected difficulty is now the same as Cav was previously

For a large player base such as myself, I have only one max 5 star and lots of max 4 stars this is really a step up for the same rewards

For example, first boss of first quest last month had around 60k health, now it's like 110

And normal fights in first quest of uc difficulty was 25k to 35k hp pools and is now 90k to 110k

Ridiculous

Ares0160

Just recently hit uncollected and the event quest uncollected difficulty recommended PI is ridiculously high. It went from 28k - 33k to 38k - 45k. Why Kabam?

I can't do featured or basic arena yet with the small 5* star roster I have.

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djr17

I don't know that it has gotten more difficult per se, just longer. Attack values in the quest seem fine, but the health pools definitely increased a bunch, at least in uncollected (global +300% atk, +800%def). It may be that the added node to increase atk of certain classes was meant to counter it, but I don't see why either change was warranted.

GroundedWisdom

B00tblack said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Which they will grow into.

They grew into it in previous months when it was easier.

Yes, and the gaps between Difficulties were greater.

Chatterofforums

Starhawk said:

Chatterofforums said:

Too hard because can't autofight it has got to be among one of worst arguments of all time in global.

i used to be able to auto fight most of uncollected now i can't auto fight the equivalent of master...this was just to show how much of a leap the increase went up by. If you can't understand that there isn't anything I can do for you.

What you don't seem to understand doesn't mean it's "too hard". Very few champs can auto fight ROL, does that mean it's too hard?

If content changed to where you actually have to play it to get rewards, well then, it's not too hard if your able to hear it when you actually play it.

Wozzle007

GroundedWisdom said:

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Which they will grow into.

They were already growing into just fine. Now they may not be able to because the content has increased in difficulty, without any additional incentive to complete it.

How can there accounts grow if the monthly events quests, a key part of the game for resources has been so significantly up tuned that people who could complete before now can’t? This isn’t like a side quest where they change each month and it’s not always easy to keep parity with the difficulty. Monthly event quest difficulty should remain stable. If they are going to increase the difficulty the rewards should increase as well. It’s not fair to the cohort of players that do that level of content.

Personally I don’t think the rewards should increase but the difficulty revert back to its previous state.

Tarzan041

Why doesn't Kabam answer this question? Why did the difficulty increase? I know it increased, I just done the first chapter of uncollected. The rewards are still the same as every other month.

GroundedWisdom

Wozzle007 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Which they will grow into.

They were already growing into just fine. Now they may not be able to because the content has increased in difficulty, without any additional incentive to complete it.

How can there accounts grow if the monthly events quests, a key part of the game for resources has been so significantly up tuned that people who could complete before now can’t? This isn’t like a side quest where they change each month and it’s not always easy to keep parity with the difficulty. Monthly event quest difficulty should remain stable. If they are going to increase the difficulty the rewards should increase as well. It’s not fair to the cohort of players that do that level of content.

Personally I don’t think the rewards should increase but the difficulty revert back to its previous state.

The same way their Accounts grow with anything else. By doing the best they can with it, and advancing through as many areas as possible. Ranking Champs, doing Story, playing Alliance Events, doing Arenas, Incursions, BGs, etc. The difficulty increase isn't that insurmountable. It's a step up. Relying on one source is one thing. Relying on it month after month as a one-stop shop for everything, and expecting to progress, is another.

LeNoirFaineant

Licky said:

Uncollected difficulty is now the same as Cav was previously
Ridiculous

They nerfed Cav. So you are saying that current Uncollected is the same as previous Cav, which would make current Uncollected harder than current Cav? That doesn't seem likely. It does seem odd that they would increase the difficulty of Uncollected though.

Wozzle007

GroundedWisdom said:

Wozzle007 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Wozzle007 said:

For context, if you had a roster that could easily auto fight previously but now can’t, imagine what it’s like for those who previously could complete each month, but only by a little. Or maybe with a revive or two. This isn’t about Paragon and Thronebreakers who can’t auto fight the Master Equivalent quest. It’s about conquerer and low level uncollected who now can’t get through.

Which they will grow into.

They were already growing into just fine. Now they may not be able to because the content has increased in difficulty, without any additional incentive to complete it.

How can there accounts grow if the monthly events quests, a key part of the game for resources has been so significantly up tuned that people who could complete before now can’t? This isn’t like a side quest where they change each month and it’s not always easy to keep parity with the difficulty. Monthly event quest difficulty should remain stable. If they are going to increase the difficulty the rewards should increase as well. It’s not fair to the cohort of players that do that level of content.

Personally I don’t think the rewards should increase but the difficulty revert back to its previous state.

The same way their Accounts grow with anything else. By doing the best they can with it, and advancing through as many areas as possible. Ranking Champs, doing Story, playing Alliance Events, doing Arenas, Incursions, BGs, etc. The difficulty increase isn't that insurmountable. It's a step up. Relying on one source is one thing. Relying on it month after month as a one-stop shop for everything, and expecting to progress, is another.

Absolutely disagree. There was a period of time for about a year I could I only do the second highest MEQ. I couldn’t progress further in story content so was using MEQ to enjoy the game and build my resource alongside Alliance based content. It helped build my roster at the time so I could progress onwards. MEQ are a fundamental part of account progression. The content shouldn’t increase in difficulty. The increase in difficulty comes when players make that step up to the next level. If kabam wanted to take the lowest difficulty away like they did a few years ago, that’s an option, but difficulty levels should remain static.

GroundedWisdom

LeNoirFaineant said:

Licky said:

Uncollected difficulty is now the same as Cav was previously
Ridiculous

They nerfed Cav. So you are saying that current Uncollected is the same as previous Cav, which would make current Uncollected harder than current Cav? That doesn't seem likely. It does seem odd that they would increase the difficulty of Uncollected though.

It was to make it more streamlined between Difficulties. If you'll remember, there was quite a step between them. For us, we may not have noticed much. It was noticeable when you saw it. To be fair, it's been literal years since it's changed in any sort of significant way. It's more in line, and it was bound to happen sometime.