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Galan & Rage Node

AmaadAkiraAmaadAkira Posts: 388 ★★★
Isn't Galan supposed to ignore the rage node? Just tried him against it in incursions and he does not. What's up with that. Thought red damage bypasses the rage node
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time
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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,415 ★★★★★
    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.
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    ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Posts: 681 ★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    This is incorrect assumption. I don't know how it will work anymore.

    Tigra burst can bypass rage but she cannot bypass fury buffs due to aar immunity on those buffs.

    QS cannot bypass the node cap, but he works differently, he get burst damage for each whiplash individually. So he can still do decent damage. Just not over the damage cap per whiplash.

    Rulk/herc, thier burst can't bypass rage.
    Same goes for galan, he can't bypass damage cap.

    I don't know about DOT bypassing it.
    Im assuming, it won't, but it may.

    We are blindsided by the vague description of node and it's interaction.


    Not a clue what works or what doesn't.

    Will valk sp2 bypass the cap?
    Will rintrah sp2 bypass the cap?
    Did nimrod's sp2 passive shocks ignores the cap?

    There will be a lot of dying in week 4 lol.
    To answer your last three questions, no,no,no.

    Also, please show tigra bypassing rage
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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,415 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%





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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,415 ★★★★★

    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    This is incorrect assumption. I don't know how it will work anymore.

    Tigra burst can bypass rage but she cannot bypass fury buffs due to aar immunity on those buffs.

    QS cannot bypass the node cap, but he works differently, he get burst damage for each whiplash individually. So he can still do decent damage. Just not over the damage cap per whiplash.

    Rulk/herc, thier burst can't bypass rage.
    Same goes for galan, he can't bypass damage cap.

    I don't know about DOT bypassing it.
    Im assuming, it won't, but it may.

    We are blindsided by the vague description of node and it's interaction.


    Not a clue what works or what doesn't.

    Will valk sp2 bypass the cap?
    Will rintrah sp2 bypass the cap?
    Did nimrod's sp2 passive shocks ignores the cap?

    There will be a lot of dying in week 4 lol.
    To answer your last three questions, no,no,no.

    Also, please show tigra bypassing rage
    So the simple answer to my three question is.
    Don't know, Don't know, Don't know...Unless you have first hand experiance or have seen it on a video.

    It may not work but We can't say for sure.
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    DalBotDalBot Posts: 1,627 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




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    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023

    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    This is incorrect assumption. I don't know how it will work anymore.

    Tigra burst can bypass rage but she cannot bypass fury buffs due to aar immunity on those buffs.

    QS cannot bypass the node cap, but he works differently, he get burst damage for each whiplash individually. So he can still do decent damage. Just not over the damage cap per whiplash.

    Rulk/herc, thier burst can't bypass rage.
    Same goes for galan, he can't bypass damage cap.

    I don't know about DOT bypassing it.
    Im assuming, it won't, but it may.

    We are blindsided by the vague description of node and it's interaction.


    Not a clue what works or what doesn't.

    Will valk sp2 bypass the cap?
    Will rintrah sp2 bypass the cap?
    Did nimrod's sp2 passive shocks ignores the cap?

    There will be a lot of dying in week 4 lol.
    To answer your last three questions, no,no,no.

    Also, please show tigra bypassing rage
    So the simple answer to my three question is.
    Don't know, Don't know, Don't know...Unless you have first hand experiance or have seen it on a video.

    It may not work but We can't say for sure.
    It's not don't know. It's a no. I've tested the first 2. Will do the last
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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,415 ★★★★★
    Cool.
    I will be testing a lot of champs befoe week 4.
    Right now energy is going into doing some leftover EQ.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




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    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




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    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
    Also could you try in 5.4.1?
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    SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Posts: 4,415 ★★★★★

    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




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    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
    Never noticed, but have numbers from a boss fight and it's much over 7k.


    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




    ="" />

    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
    Also could you try in 5.4.1?
    Will do. Right now she is in war.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




    ="" />

    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
    Never noticed, but have numbers from a boss fight and it's much over 7k.


    DalBot said:

    Tested it out.
    Variant 4.1.1 rage 2.5%




    ="" />

    Yeah Tigra blows right through the cap since 7887 would be 1.5%


    @SirGamesBond what's the number you would get in a normal match without rage?
    Also could you try in 5.4.1?
    Will do. Right now she is in war.
    Yeah. There's definitely some reduction going on. Can't figure out where.

    In 5.4, on the rage path my 5* does around 1k,2k damage but in same map elsewhere she already does 3k without many ruptures. So something definitely is happening. When i checked the damage she deals is a multiple of the damage limit or plus the other red number adding to show as same
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    ChikelChikel Posts: 2,062 ★★★★
    So I did a bit of testing in 5.4.1.

    - Massacre and Hulking
    - Scorpion's sp2 burst damage and sting damage
    - AA's neuros
    - Silver Centurion's sp2 and medium burst
    - BWDO's sp2 burst (Not sure, they're almost dead by the time I use sp2)

    What doesn't work

    - Galan's harvest complete
    - Prof X's sp2 burst
    - America Chavez's sp2 burst
    - Kitty's sp2 burst
    - Galan's sp2 burst

    From this small-scale testing, champs that damage through block are the best options, dot champs are safe safe too as well as power sting but burst damage champs are inconsistent - Some work, some don't.

    I'll run more tests later on and maybe make a list
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    DalBot said:

    I also just found another thing that comically bypasses Rage but I'm not gonna post it here just to see it get nerfed 😂

    @DalBot do you mean block dmaage does not trigger the fury?
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Chikel said:

    So I did a bit of testing in 5.4.1.

    - Massacre and Hulking
    - Scorpion's sp2 burst damage and sting damage
    - AA's neuros
    - Silver Centurion's sp2 and medium burst
    - BWDO's sp2 burst (Not sure, they're almost dead by the time I use sp2)

    What doesn't work

    - Galan's harvest complete
    - Prof X's sp2 burst
    - America Chavez's sp2 burst
    - Kitty's sp2 burst
    - Galan's sp2 burst

    From this small-scale testing, champs that damage through block are the best options, dot champs are safe safe too as well as power sting but burst damage champs are inconsistent - Some work, some don't.

    I'll run more tests later on and maybe make a list

    Have you seen any actual damage do more than the cap? Other than when it's multiple triggers adding up? Cause so far the only I've seen is tigra sp burst and that's also reduced
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    World EaterWorld Eater Posts: 3,620 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    Anyone know if Spider Ham's porker poppers will bypass the rage node? I saw above that Scorpions sting bursts bypass it so I'm thinking Spider Ham will bypass it also.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    Anyone know if Spider Ham's porker poppers will bypass the rage node? I saw above that Scorpions sting bursts bypass it so I'm thinking Spider Ham will bypass it also.

    Neither bypass. Just that each sting will do the damage cap so at once when multiple pop it does cap time the number of stings
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    ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Posts: 681 ★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
    He isn't bypassing the node. Each whiplash is an individual dmaage source that does damage cap. The numbers are just shown together
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    ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Posts: 681 ★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
    He isn't bypassing the node. Each whiplash is an individual dmaage source that does damage cap. The numbers are just shown together
    Lol I’d definitely consider that bypassing the node. Yes the node isn’t broken and is functioning like you said, but he can straight up ignore the rage node, that’s the same as bypassing a biohazard node using a champ that’s bleed and poison immune. The node still works but that champion bypasses it with their utility.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
    He isn't bypassing the node. Each whiplash is an individual dmaage source that does damage cap. The numbers are just shown together
    Lol I’d definitely consider that bypassing the node. Yes the node isn’t broken and is functioning like you said, but he can straight up ignore the rage node, that’s the same as bypassing a biohazard node using a champ that’s bleed and poison immune. The node still works but that champion bypasses it with their utility.
    Aye yes. He does seem the perfect option so far. I meant in the sense that he can't bypass the damage cap which was the original comment.
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    MCOCHazzaMCOCHazza Posts: 857 ★★★

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
    He isn't bypassing the node. Each whiplash is an individual dmaage source that does damage cap. The numbers are just shown together
    Each planetary mass could be considered its own source hahaha. In his abilities it states that when the harvest ends, it’ll deal X damage for each planetary mass.

    But yeah it’s coded as just one big source of damage rather than lots of small sources that are added, like QS.
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    AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Hazzalec said:

    Rage was updated over two years ago.
    I remeber quake used to bypass it, but then she stopped.
    So I'm assuming nothing bypasses rage. Not even dot. Dot damage will tick for 1% max.

    Supposedly quicksilver can bypass it but I haven’t tried it myself
    He can't

    Yeah safeguards description has always been iffy . Guess they didn't want to change how it works after a long time


    So that's cleared



    I just tested it and quicksilvers whiplash does by pass the Rage node. Also he works well because he does so many small hits.
    He isn't bypassing the node. Each whiplash is an individual dmaage source that does damage cap. The numbers are just shown together
    Each planetary mass could be considered its own source hahaha. In his abilities it states that when the harvest ends, it’ll deal X damage for each planetary mass.

    But yeah it’s coded as just one big source of damage rather than lots of small sources that are added, like QS.
    If that were the case then yes. That would be the case
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