Absorbing man completely busted on defense

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time

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Andremlopes

you have to learn how to counter him... that's very good to the game that you can't close your eyes and Ghost everything anymore

AmaadAkira

you have to learn how to counter him... that's very good to the game that you can't close your eyes and Ghost everything anymore

Nothing to learn if he can do 50% of your hp into your block after 2 sp1s. And before the "knock him down right after a special" brigade comes in, it's a 20-second cooldown, and against opponents with MD, you're gonna be all outta luck real fast.💀

And that's ignoring his busted regen.

ItsClobberinTime

1. That can easily be prevented by not allowing him to throw the same special twice in a row it's really not that big of a deal lol just bait sp1, then force the sp2 rinse and repeat you'll take some block damage but the fight won't be as hard as you think. Bishop's still harder to counter than this guy and he hasn't been nerfed.
2. Just use heal block or poison there's a lot of different options nowadays.

DNA3000

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time

I saw him completely one-shot me last month on a blocked hit. So I decided it would be best to not get hit by him too often. This change in strategy made him much easier to defeat.

Note: the issue here is probably that in refined forms his burst bonus damage gets multiplied by 3x is critical damage modifier which itself is about 135%, and in Black Uru form burst damage and crits can trigger through block. So blocking him while he is in refined Uru is not a good idea.

Pikolu

I recommend immediately banning him if you don't have buff immunes on your team.

FiiNCH

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time

You watched one fight which was on Lagacy’s stream, where he used a non-ideal counter and you run on the forums to say he’s ‘completely busted’ - bit of an overreaction.

AmaadAkira

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time
You watched one fight which was on Lagacy’s stream, where he used a non-ideal counter and you run on the forums to say he’s ‘completely busted’ - bit of an overreaction.

1. Ghost IS an ideal counter as she gives him very little power and never needs to block
2. He IS busted 💀 you can't be serious. Ignoring his insanely high physical/energy resist (over 8000) and OP refined forms, Namor's regen after specials was 6% of max health and it got nerfed. His is 30%. And before you say bring healblock/petrify champions, you know damn well most of them won't counter him and the ones that will (mainly science) will take about 2minutes to do so bar a few.

FiiNCH

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time
You watched one fight which was on Lagacy’s stream, where he used a non-ideal counter and you run on the forums to say he’s ‘completely busted’ - bit of an overreaction.
1. Ghost IS an ideal counter as she gives him very little power and never needs to block
2. He IS busted 💀 you can't be serious. Ignoring his insanely high physical/energy resist (over 8000) and OP refined forms, Namor's regen after specials was 6% of max health and it got nerfed. His is 30%. And before you say bring healblock/petrify champions, you know damn well most of them won't counter him and the ones that will (mainly science) will take about 2minutes to do so.

1. Doesn’t deal with his regen so not ideal.

2. Never said he didn’t need a tune down. Calling him completely busted is dramatic however.

AmaadAkira

This guy is gonna get nerfed on defense because holy hell lmao just saw him take down 50% hp off ghost in one blocked hit, while surviving off his regen the whole time
You watched one fight which was on Lagacy’s stream, where he used a non-ideal counter and you run on the forums to say he’s ‘completely busted’ - bit of an overreaction.
1. Ghost IS an ideal counter as she gives him very little power and never needs to block
2. He IS busted 💀 you can't be serious. Ignoring his insanely high physical/energy resist (over 8000) and OP refined forms, Namor's regen after specials was 6% of max health and it got nerfed. His is 30%. And before you say bring healblock/petrify champions, you know damn well most of them won't counter him and the ones that will (mainly science) will take about 2minutes to do so.
1. Doesn’t deal with his regen so not ideal.

2. Never said he didn’t need a tune down. Calling him completely busted is dramatic however.

Ah okay we agree. So it's fine lol

Magrailothos

Or, you know, you could stop him throwing multiple specials by controlling his Power gauge?

I think there are one of two champions who can do that....🤔

PowerOfACandle

No one is forcing you to use ghost. There are lots of science champs who easily counter him.

Feeney234

Learn how to read descriptions so you know whats going on with the fight...

SammyDe

My 5* Void took him down in 78 hits. I usually use my 6* iBom for him but had Void and Torch as back up.

Renaxqq

I recommend immediately banning him if you don't have buff immunes on your team.

So, Spot is good counter for Absorbing Man?

SpideyFunko

I recommend immediately banning him if you don't have buff immunes on your team.
So, Spot is good counter for Absorbing Man?

And Spider-Man 2099. Especially if you have despair.

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Kappa2g

I do think the heavy punish after special attack on a 20 second cooldown is too much, especially in situations where mystic dispersion boosts him up as a defender

mgj0630

In addition to the numerous counters that have already been mentioned, Scorpion is another incredible counter. Bonus, he can basically clear an entire lane on his own too.

Magrailothos

I do think the heavy punish after special attack on a 20 second cooldown is too much, especially in situations where mystic dispersion boosts him up as a defender

Agree - slightly shorter cooldown of around 12 seconds might be a better compromise?

GroundedWisdom

No one is forcing you to use ghost. There are lots of science champs who easily counter him.

For that matter, War is partly about having the right counters.

AmaadAkira

I do think the heavy punish after special attack on a 20 second cooldown is too much, especially in situations where mystic dispersion boosts him up as a defender
Agree - slightly shorter cooldown of around 12 seconds might be a better compromise?

Even lower IMO. It requires a certain amount of skill and prep to knock him down after a special, and if you mess up, the stakes are REALLY high. It should be around 6-8 seconds if there even has to be a CD to begin with. If this was the case, I wouldn't mind him at all.

Andremlopes

you have to learn how to counter him... that's very good to the game that you can't close your eyes and Ghost everything anymore
Nothing to learn if he can do 50% of your hp into your block after 2 sp1s. And before the "knock him down right after a special" brigade comes in, it's a 20-second cooldown, and against opponents with MD, you're gonna be all outta luck real fast.💀

And that's ignoring his busted regen.

You do not have to knock him down after every sp1.... just after the second... so if you decide to bait only sp1... wait for him to reform before knocking him down... or bait sp2 as well...

again... try to understand the champion... I'm not saying he is not hard to fight... he is... but he has counters... you just have to try harder... he is not a simple Ghost fight... especially with the AI lately... but it is very doable

ege999men

Bro complaining about not being able to ghost absorbing man. How do you fight 4 year old champ mister sinister with ghost smh. Besides he IS ghostable. sp1 fits in phase window and damage reduction is not any worse than all the newer glance champions

AmaadAkira

you have to learn how to counter him... that's very good to the game that you can't close your eyes and Ghost everything anymore
Nothing to learn if he can do 50% of your hp into your block after 2 sp1s. And before the "knock him down right after a special" brigade comes in, it's a 20-second cooldown, and against opponents with MD, you're gonna be all outta luck real fast.💀

And that's ignoring his busted regen.
You do not have to knock him down after every sp1.... just after the second... so if you decide to bait only sp1... wait for him to reform before knocking him down... or bait sp2 as well...

again... try to understand the champion... I'm not saying he is not hard to fight... he is... but he has counters... you just have to try harder... he is not a simple Ghost fight... especially with the AI lately... but it is very doable

I realize this, but knocking him down every 2nd special is far too risky as the stakes are VERY VERY high. You could be juggling with so many other nodes you have to pay attention to, alongside MD. If you let him refine his form, it could be insta-death by a single basic attack, *even a blocked one*.

You already have to deal with his regen and unprecedentedly high physical & energy resist, 8 seconds isn't a big ask.

StarSmasher2001

Laughs in void's petrify

Mobile_P0tat0

Have you ever heard of a champion getting their defensive potential nerfed? Soon we'll see more champs that counter him and players will figure out more optimal ways around his kit.

AmaadAkira

Have you ever heard of a champion getting their defensive potential nerfed? Soon we'll see more champs that counter him and players will figure out more optimal ways around his kit.

Yes, with namor as I mentioned before (his regen on specials). Not sure who else but I'm sure there have been some others. Important to note that namor's regen was only 6% of max health yet got nerfed, whereas absorbing man's is 30% and he's a much better defender over all.

xTURKISHx

I bomb.scorpion, Diablo... They take him down pretty quickly.... Just keep poisoning him. Build him up right below two bars of power..bait his s1. Dodge S1, punish s1... Just make sure he always has enough to throw his S1.. if for some odd reason he ends up not having enough... He usually always goes back into a block and just hit him in the block until you give him enough power..

If you do it like that you don't ever have to worry about him hitting into your block.

Spider ham also works really well too..same strategy, just using poppers

10or_Strong

It should be noted that the regen for both Namor and Absorbing Man are percentages of their MISSING health, not MAX health. However, it does make the reduction of Namor's regen seem rather pointless. All I can think about as a POSSIBLE reasoning Kabaam looks at them differently comes to these key points:

1. Namor's regen triggers on every special attack. On attack, Absorbing Man's regen only triggers when consuming morph charges, so far less frequently. Granted, it becomes the same frequency, just about, on defense.

2. Namor's regen is part of his core kit, full power right from the start. Absorbing Man's regen is tied to his sig ability, and the potency grows with the sig level.

That said, the disparity between the two, especially on defense, is certainly notable. I'd not be surprised to see Absorbing Man's regen toned down a bit, or at the very least have it adjusted to trigger less frequently on defense.

Worknprogress

Why do some of you keep bringing up Namor? Namor wasn't changed bc of his regen on defense, he was changed bc his regen basically eliminated recoil damage on attack. For some ridiculous reason his regen was deemed too powerful based on health recovered numbers even though almost all his recorded health recovery was from willpower and the LC/DE debuffs (Kabam hasn't always had the best record with data interpretation).

Using that situation as an example of why AM's regen on defense should be changed is ridiculous and disingenuous at best. That same round of balancing saw Torch get buffed and IW get nothing, it's not exactly a strong arguement for why anything should happen again. AM has ways to shut him down regardless of who you're using built into his kit on purpose, use them.