More fun & interactive AI … how is this possible?

I dex the first medium, Kingpin takes a few steps forward, I prepare to dex again and then, BAM!

He throws a second surprise medium 2?

How is that possible?

I tried and tried and tried and tried and I am unable to do this.

Can anyone else do this?

Comments

Denslo500

Took me a second.
You are saying that his Medium 2 (cane swing with longer reach) should have been a Medium 1 (uppercut), because of the interval walking.

Definitely AI-only behavior. Good catch.

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GeneralMerce

some BS right there

Fit_Fun9329

Good catch and a very good proof that AI does strange things nowadays. Only thing I am wondering is if the AI did this before, lets say 2 years ago?

Nevertheless: shall the AI be capable of skills, we as players are not capable of?

Ironman3000

Dex has definitely changed. You can easily see it in BGs when the defender in unblockable.

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Bazzingaaa

Good catch, hopefully this gets looked into

Boogaloogler

THE AI SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS IN THEIR KIT THAT ARE NOT IN OUR KIT. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.

Remove it again Mike, go ahead.

Mackey

Dex has definitely changed. You can easily see it in BGs when the defender in unblockable.

I've been thinking the same thing with this week 4 meta in GC. I find the window for a dex is different when the opponent is unblockable, I thought it was just me missing the dex at first but it's been consistently there

iDestroyerZ

THE AI SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS IN THEIR KIT THAT ARE NOT IN OUR KIT. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.

Remove it again Mike, go ahead.

I don't think they'll delete the post but probably will be ignored just like the 999.999 posts about the AI that has been ignored already, even with tons of constructive arguments =/

Boogaloogler

THE AI SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS IN THEIR KIT THAT ARE NOT IN OUR KIT. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.

Remove it again Mike, go ahead.
I don't think they'll delete the post but probably will be ignored just like the 999.999 posts about the AI that has been ignored already, even with tons of constructive arguments =/

No he deleted that exact comment I made earlier

iDestroyerZ

THE AI SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS IN THEIR KIT THAT ARE NOT IN OUR KIT. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.

Remove it again Mike, go ahead.
I don't think they'll delete the post but probably will be ignored just like the 999.999 posts about the AI that has been ignored already, even with tons of constructive arguments =/
No he deleted that exact comment I made earlier

Smh zzz that sucks

AverageDesi

What's the issue here though? Kingpin does a medium, you avoid , a few frames later he throws another medium.

To replicate this you'd need the ai to avoid you hit and then stay back without retaliating so as to give you an opening

AverageDesi

Once a medium is thrown , another dash within a certain time will result in medium 2 and not medium 1

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Manup456

The game is super broken and they want to keep pumping out content and not addressing these issues that have been around for a long time and it makes no sense.

None of the stuff said is breaking any rules to be deleted so keep posting fellas.

The AI and inputs are broken and it needs to be top priority.

Kabam Jax

Hmm. This is an interesting one!

I've brought it to the engineers to see if they can sort out what's happening here!

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Manup456

It’s not just this interaction it’s the entire game let them know that Jax the AI is way off needs fixing and has been for a long time now.

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shut_up_heather

Also, another thing........is anyone noticing really inconsistent parry timings?
I was doing last month's SQ and I normally start fights by parrying and then comboing. But the Tigra just ignored my block input and hit me as soon as the fight started! (It was Threat Level 5. No it wasn't a hidden node.) Is it an unspoken defender ability that allows the game to bypass 50% of the player inputs?

Kaizen_King

AI isn’t honoring the idle/walk mechanics… been happening for a good while now and I’ve captured it several time over the last 6 months. It immediately starts walking after a whiffed hit and what’s worse, is allowed to do the next hit in the combo sequence AFTER it starts walking which is what OP vid is showcasing. Like Morpheus said to Neo about the rules of a computer system… “Some rules can be bent. Others broken.” Only, the AI is Neo, not us.

Skydad23

THE AI SHOULD NOT HAVE THINGS IN THEIR KIT THAT ARE NOT IN OUR KIT. PERIOD. THERE IS NO ARGUMENT.

Remove it again Mike, go ahead.

this!!!

AverageDesi

Once a medium is thrown , another dash within a certain time will result in medium 2 and not medium 1
There is no dash between his medium attacks.

Dash as in a swipe right.

As I said, to replicate this you need to get it in such a way that the ai avoids your first medium, gives you space to walk and then do a second medium. This is very hard to get i think since if an ai evades they usually retaliates or at least does not give you an easy in

iDestroyerZ

Hmm. This is an interesting one!

I've brought it to the engineers to see if they can sort out what's happening here!

Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Omg finally an answer about the IA that it's not blaming the input system, thank you so much for give us a bit of hope

WayWorn2525

Only in Kabam's fantasy world is this move possible.

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Kabam Jax

Alright everyone, the engineering team has done a thorough investigation on this one!
Buckle up, it's about to get detailed. Here is what we know:

This is a bug, but not with AI behaviour!

The attack chain reset timer is based on attacks, it doesn't reset on run in (or even block, block react), and this is where the problem lies. Occasionally you'll get a medium 2 "out of nowhere." Usually summoners experience this as a whiff because only the first medium has a dash built in.

Summoners are able to accomplish this as well, it just requires the opponent to Dex/Evade and a very precise, nearly frame-perfect, medium attack. Our team was able to reproduce this as an attacker.

Some deeper analysis from the game team: "Although the defender did choose the 'wrong' attack animation in this case, the player would've been hit regardless. It might even be a disadvantage to the defender as they were subject to the post M2 cooldown and couldn't follow it up with a combo."

So, as a result, the bug is summarized as: "Attack chain index isn't resetting to zero for certain non attack states"

Because it came up during the investigation: what was the perceived disadvantage as an attacker in this situation? That the attack shouldn't have hit at all? Or that "the AI shouldn't have any tools that the Summoner doesn't?"

o_o

Really appreciate the response, Jax! Cool to see an acknowledgment that we sometimes get a medium 2 out of nowhere. One thing that raised an eyebrow though:
“It might even be a disadvantage to the defender as they were subject to the post M2 cooldown and couldn't follow it up with a combo.”

I’d love to hear more about this M2 cooldown, because to me, it seems like defenders are incredibly quick to “recover,” much quicker than we are as attackers… I’ve even had defenders throw a full combo into my block and still have time to dash back and then hold block or shallow intercept me. Obviously that’s something impossible to do as an attacker.