Defender doesn’t bleed when stunned TB EQ

Anyone else experiencing this?

When defender doesn’t bleed he/she gets unstoppable.

It’s hard enough trying to complete this now there’s this bug.

Comments

Cat_Murdock

Do you have Pacify or other Ability Accuracy active?

Justin2524

I have white mag providing guidance so I can safely parry.

Cat_Murdock

Ah, then this is your issue. The node text specifies “they inflict a Bleed Passive on the Defender whenever they inflict a Stun DEBUFF”. White Mags inflicts a Stun Passive, and will not trigger Bloody Barb.

DrZola

Yes. There are debuffs (basically active) and there are effects (basically passive). Guidance replaces the active stun (debuff) with a passive stun (effect).

Dr. Zola

AverageDesi

This is terribly wrong Zola. Both Stun Debuffs and Stun Passives are Stun effects. And if a champ is passively stunned then a stun passive is active on that champ. They aren't exclusive. It merely means that it is impacting the fight.

Pikolu

You just said they are both stun effects, which is true, but passives are not a debuff which is why a bleed wont trigger. Either way, that quest is easiest if you run the Agent venom trinity because he places a lot of bleeds and is a #guardians of the galaxy so easy crossfights which makes the whole quest much easier. Just bring AA for the one Elsa there when you do that path.

TyEdge

When guidance is used, there is no stun debuff. Period. Colossus doesn’t get his passive fury with white mags either, because there’s no debuff to consume. Read the description carefully.

Also “a stun passive is active”…do you hear yourself?

DrZola

I understand what you’re trying to say, but the community has often used the term “buff/debuff” to denote active and “effects” to denote passive.

Do they all cause effects on champs? Sure. But there’s not really such a thing as a passive debuff—we usually just call them passive effects.

Dr. Zola

Cat_Murdock

Stun Debuffs and Stun Passives are both under the Stun Effect umbrella. If you are “immune to stun debuffs” then you are immune to stun debuffs but susceptible to Stun Passives. If you are “immune to stun effects”, you are immune to both Stun Debuffs and Stun Passives. If the community is using the term Effect to refer just to Passives then this isn’t correct. Similar to when people say “Passive Debuff” or “Passive Buff”, which are contradictory within the games terms and has gotten people confused with interactions.

“Effect” is used in abilities and nodes to specify that something will be triggered by either a Buff/Debuff or Passive, unless called out by name more specifically.

For example, the node One-Two Punch common in the Science EQ node sets says “Each time the Defender is knocked down while suffering from a Power Sting, Slow of Weakness effect, the Defender is inflicted with a Passive petrify.” Effect here considers both Debuff and Passive Power Stings/Slow/Weakness to be a trigger for the node. Effect isn’t used to mean Passive only.

You can say something is a “passive effect”, but I wouldn’t recommend isolating “effect” as a shorthand for Passives because it’s not clear enough.

Coppin

I only took White Mags for that annoying Attuma, and yeah he wasnt getting bleeds; then again I only used guidance for him

DrZola

Then under that framework @AverageDesi would be correct and my use of terminology would be imprecise. While I’m willing to accede to that as a matter of specific terminology, the larger problem I think is the sprawl that is the textual game documentation.

As you correctly note, there are no “passive buffs/debuffs.” Those are often referred to just as “passives” or—as has been done for a while—as “passive effects.” Also using the term “effects” in a general context that comprises all buffs, debuffs and passives creates the kind of confusion that likely spurred the original post in this thread. As you note, though, that cow is way out of the gate—“effects” has now morphed into a catch-all term because the team has used it that way.

When I think about it, I would suggest that the more precise way to delineate would be to shift completely to the language of “active effects” vs. “passive effects” rather than using “buff/debuff”terminology at all—but that’s nothing I would expect Kabam to take the time to correct in documentation that runs game-wide. For a game that misspelled Abom’s alter ego “Emil Bloksny” for years, probably too much to ask.

Good points. Hope this helps to sufficiently confuse the OP.

Dr. Zola

Justin2524

Yeah I’m more confused now than ever.

AverageDesi

Passive here in game terminology is not the same as used in regular English

AverageDesi

AverageDesi

I didn't speak to the contrary