Spider-Man buff updates

Chovner

Since last month's (mostly) disappointing reveal of the OG Spider-Man buff I don't believe we've seen any updates to changes being made as a result from initial feedback. Do you think we'll be seeing a Rev.2 of the planned buff soon?

Pikolu

After DPXF? No.

I hope they would change him because champions that are all utility aren't the most fun to play. Like sure you counter a lot of things, but your fights are all 8 minutes long. At that point just use herc.

Suhshehshs

There were a bunch of mistakes with the kit (some of his ability timings were absurdly low, like .1 seconds or something) and the massive negative feedback means there will definitely be a revision. It seems that the first version was a work in progress with the inconsistencies.

Axew

Pikolu said:

After DPXF? No.

I hope they would change him because champions that are all utility aren't the most fun to play. Like sure you counter a lot of things, but your fights are all 8 minutes long. At that point just use herc.

Even his utility wasn’t all that. It took 5 special 1s just to get above 100% debilitate and without the dupe you couldn’t even stack the debuffs. Pretty mediocre, I’d rather use antivenom or any slow champion

Pikolu

Axew said:

Pikolu said:

After DPXF? No.

I hope they would change him because champions that are all utility aren't the most fun to play. Like sure you counter a lot of things, but your fights are all 8 minutes long. At that point just use herc.

Even his utility wasn’t all that. It took 5 special 1s just to get above 100% debilitate and without the dupe you couldn’t even stack the debuffs. Pretty mediocre, I’d rather use antivenom or any slow champion

Yeah, I was very disappointed with it. Also relying on stun for damage makes him pretty useless in a lot of content.

Cat_Murdock

His buff went through a lot of updates during the duration of the beta

Ghost_Fan

Chovner said:

Since last month's (mostly) disappointing reveal of the OG Spider-Man buff

I don't know how you all still have faith in the 'buff' program

Axew

Ghost_Fan said:

Chovner said:

Since last month's (mostly) disappointing reveal of the OG Spider-Man buff

I don't know how you all still have faith in the 'buff' program

There have been some great buffs. Juggernaut and Hulk were 2 amazing overhauls, and the Gorr value update made him much better. Of course there are the bad buffs like DPXF and Psychoman (don’t know if I would even consider his change a buff).

Overall I would say the current buff program is hit or miss

Chovner

Man that Psychoman "buff" is still the worst attempt at a buff to date in my opinion. And there was 0 posts from Kabam in response to the overall negative feedback. It literally looked like the classic "I forgot I have a project due tomorrow and it's 11:00pm... throw something together"

MaxtheSilent

Cat_Murdock said:

His buff went through a lot of updates during the duration of the beta

Changes since what was last previewed?

Magrailothos

Ghost_Fan said:

Chovner said:

Since last month's (mostly) disappointing reveal of the OG Spider-Man buff

I don't know how you all still have faith in the 'buff' program

We don't have faith, we have hope 😉


But we also need realistic expectations. These aren't intended to become the new game-breaking champions of the future. They're meant to make older champions playable, and fun.

Personally I think they're hitting that mark more often than they miss. Let's look at the recent ones:

• Hulk - hits much better, much more fun to use. Hulk Smash now!
  
• Rocket - far more utility, still hits pretty hard, fun to use and really good in PVP fights when opponents have Willpower
  
• IMIW - less stressful to play, less risk of debuffs falling off, but otherwise not much change
  
• Ant-Man - vastly more utility, immunities and better damage (I mean really, what else could you ask for from a buff?)
  
• Juggernaut - more utility, much better damage, much more fun to play
  
• Jane Foster - a bit better. Not much.
  
• Deadpool X-Force - not good, but arguably less rubbish than he was before. At least he does stuff, and can be entertaining to play with.
  
• Yondu - criminally underrated as a low-rent Nimrod as if that was a bad thing! Better utility and better damage.
  
• Storm - Hits like a ton of bricks; really solid defender, and some utility, even if a lot of it is with synergies
  
• Mordo - hits harder; buffs last longer. Also underrated for buff-heavy matches - used my 6r1 Mordo to get past 51kPi Gorr in TB EQ yesterday, and annihilated him...

I could go back further - Yellowjacket, War machine, Angela, Bishop, Diablo, Kingpin, Black Panther. Sure there are a few 'wtf' changes like Psycho-man, Nova and DPX. But on the whole, these buffs are making pretty rubbish champs into useable ones.

Spider-Man is currently virtually useless - let's hold onto hope he'll become useful 🙂.

CosmicGuardian

Cat_Murdock said:

His buff went through a lot of updates during the duration of the beta

That sounds promising, are there any details you’d be allowed to share?

ThePredator1001

Chovner said:

Man that Psychoman "buff" is still the worst attempt at a buff to date in my opinion. And there was 0 posts from Kabam in response to the overall negative feedback. It literally looked like the classic "I forgot I have a project due tomorrow and it's 11:00pm... throw something together"

I didn’t even know they tried to buff Psychoman, to me the most disappointing buff was the Nova “buff” where the made a single small change to his fury buff and called it good.

Chovner

ThePredator1001 said:

Chovner said:

Man that Psychoman "buff" is still the worst attempt at a buff to date in my opinion. And there was 0 posts from Kabam in response to the overall negative feedback. It literally looked like the classic "I forgot I have a project due tomorrow and it's 11:00pm... throw something together"

I didn’t even know they tried to buff Psychoman, to me the most disappointing buff was the Nova “buff” where the made a single small change to his fury buff and called it good.

They pretty much did the same to Psycho Man and called it a day

Chobbly

Cat_Murdock said:

His buff went through a lot of updates during the duration of the beta

Part of me keeps saying that I should know better, but I'm hopeful for a semi decent buff for Spider-Man. Not Red Mags level (because that won't happen again) but if he gets an uplift comparable with the likes of Miles or Juggs I'll be happy.

BigPoppaCBONE

Magrailothos said:

I could go back further - Yellowjacket, War machine, Angela, Bishop, Diablo, Kingpin, Black Panther. Sure there are a few 'wtf' changes like Psycho-man, Nova and DPX. But on the whole, these buffs are making pretty rubbish champs into useable ones.

Spider-Man is currently virtually useless - let's hold onto hope he'll become useful 🙂.

DPX's buff could have been one of the best buffs if they leaned into the poke bleed more. He could've been Zemo before Zemo.

SupremeWarlord

Even with a full synergy team around him classic Spidey is garbage now after this so-called buff. I am beyond pissed. Spidey should be the number one evade champ, period (even though OG DD is). How do you nerf his evades? How? And without his armor breaks my maxed 5 star spidey is barely breaking 1k with critical hits. And didn't he have precision before to make him crit more? I feel like Kabam really just wants to piss everybody off so they stop asking them to buff older champions. This is worse than the first DDHK buff.

EdisonLaw

Spiderman’s buff is ok, but I expected more with him.