Spidey buff

Kabam why do this to us
We waited atleast 7 yrs for his buff and when he finally got buffed he's a noodle
U could've made him a little better made it worth the wait
(What do y'all think his buff is good or bad?)

Comments

SpideyFunko

someone is going to pick him up, love him to bits, and make a whole thing about him taking challenging fights in unique ways and i can’t wait to see it

PrimeSaviour_27

Yeah can’t wait for the next update to him to enable this lol

Chovner

Based on the testing I've seen so far he only hits hard when full synergized up. Granted the champs you use for his synergies are great (Crit Monkey, Shang Chi, Black Cat, Doc Ock), but that's still a big ask to get the damage he SHOULD have during his "damage" rotation. This is a Deadpool XForce level buff in my opinion

TripleB

I like this buff for the most part, the only thing that reeeeally upsets me and takes a ton of damage away is that they chopped his critical damage rating way down. He used to have 220% crit damage and now is around 160%ish.
I think the average is 180% so now he is below par, not sure if this was intended. I hope not!

Chobbly

Maybe he should have had a +1% to his Attack Rating for every Debuff on the opponent. Would have made the ramp up a bit more worthwhile then.

MaxGaming

We already have Spider gwen, Spidey 2099, Stark Spidey, Stealth Spidey, Spiderham, Mile Morales, Penny Parker, and Spidey Supreme... why complain about the one who got an average buff. They are already good

Bizaaro

Do u really think kabam hear to user opinion ....if they do they won't give these stupid buff to spiderman..
They won't nerf energy and revive refills...
Only thing they do is they will remain dead silence on these topic ..well the person who dislike even may be some employe of them.. I made up my mind I will play this game only till july4

BigPoppaCBONE

"He's not bad when you surround him with good to great champs and then use him instead of them! Look how semi-hard he hits occasionally! And them Decelerates?!"

He's so lacking. Give us a reason to use him!
He Taunts. OK. But they barely decrease attack and stacking Taunts doesn't make the ai even more likely to throw specials. That part sucks, but you can stack a staggeringly useful amount of them, right? No, because you can't pause them and the proc chance is only 25%.

How about this: add the unique hook of letting us switch between +70% Special 1 and Special 2 with his Taunt with 4th light or something.

How about this: some Aegon-ish action where there's benefits to the number of debuffs + webbing you've added and the perks add paused and fall off over time if you drop below the threshold.

This is sad. How can the same labs come up with some brilliant designs and then dump something this off? At least Deadpool X-Force has sick animations. Spidey couldn't even get web effects?

In 2 months when Kabam makes content where Decelerate is the most meta debuff in the game for a minute, that won't be a validation of how good this buff was and how we were blind to it.

VestasCure

After watching Mike's video about the buff, and having messed around with my own, I honestly think he's not as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He's not magneto level buff and he's not omega god tier, but calling this a Deadpool x level buff is a bit ridiculous.

He has very good utility and even without synergies hits pretty hard when played with the right rotation, albeit needing a bit of crit rng. All in all I think this one lands in a good mid-tier buff, people just expected too much with it being one of the flagship champs in the game.

Chobbly

Having had a play, it's all a bit DDHK to me. Not being harsh but there are similarities.

Fan favourite character, updated visuals or animations, specific and niche utility, average level of damage output and relies heavily on synergies.

Greed_Exodus

No Spidey is worse than Deadpool imo, at least Deadpool can use maxed deep wounds and have reasonable damage WITHOUT the need of a full synergy team…

Fit_Fun9329

I like his new look! That’s all for now

VestasCure

Explain to me how his damage without synergies isn't "reasonable." It's crit reliant on the sp2, I'll give you that. But plenty of champs are. He has good enough damage to get through an average BG healthpool in an sp1 + sp2 and combo into the stun after. That's considered a decent damage profile.

Combine decent damage with the utility that a permanent taunt gives, not to mention arguably the strongest utility he has is completely ignoring any form of limber outside of skill champs. And none of that is going into the utility you get when you stack his webbing. What is so god awful here exactly?

BigPoppaCBONE

Lol. He's having trash damage and stacking a few non-damaging debuffs and saying "Look! I'm doing utility!"

Greed_Exodus

Enjoy timing out in a BG match when the defender still has 50% health remaining

VestasCure

Definition of I can't come up with a counter argument so I'm going to laugh at you and say some random things that contribute nothing to the conversation. Well done.

BigPoppaCBONE

Did I need to say more to get the point across? Having poor damage and some non-damaging debuffs isn't utility and that wasn't my only comment, but you keep bigging yourself, bud. It gets better.

Chikel

100% actually. You're basically giving free healing to the defender.

Gonna be fun using him against Rintrah

VestasCure

Again, not trying to argue that this is some god tier buff. But I've watched a few videos and practiced with him. The people that agree he's not bad and has a place, especially in BGs or some AW lanes, are the people actually putting thought into playing him, building to certain power breakpoints/using 4 hit combos. The people that don't like the buff are just spamming MLLLM combos and throwing specials the moment they get them, i.e. putting zero thought into it and expecting spidey to hit like hercules. There's a pretty clear common factor here.

VestasCure

How is his damage poor? I've explained why I think it's fine, he can complete BGs in what most people consider a reasonable rotation. His limber immunity and taunts are fantastic utility. Now your turn, how is his damage considered poor? How do these things offer no utility?

VestasCure

Or run 3/3 despair like anyone trying to remotely be competitive in BGs?

magnus_xix

People who say he has bad damage output have him at 5* r1 and expect him to be hitting 50k mediums

Wicket329

I agree with Vestas here that this buff is getting a lot more hate than it deserves. I’m seeing three points get brought up to dunk on Spidey: Damage, Utility, and Opponent Willpower.

First point, Damage. It is absolutely correct that Spidey, unsynergized, has weak basic combo hits. However, that can be said about champions like CGR and Apoc, champions who nobody knocks as having bad damage. That is because people have taken the time to learn and use proper rotations with them, as they will here.

If Spidey is used optimally, an sp2 crit will hit for approximately 54k, and combo crits will hit for approximately 10k medium and 7k light (numbers based on 6*, r3, no recoil masteries). Those are good numbers, and the only requirement is building to an sp1 and then an sp2. Very easily accessible. Does he hit harder than Herc or CGR? Absolutely not. But he’ll carve through a BG matchup well.

On the note of Battlegrounds, what about your opponent’s willpower healing? Stacking all those debuffs on your opponent is surely going to cause a problem. Too bad there isn’t an easily accessible way for literally every debuff heavy champion in the game to counter that. Oh wait! The Despair mastery that has been here the whole time and synergizes exceptionally well with science champions!

Sorry for being sassy on this one, but Willpower healing on the opponent is a silly complaint. So many high quality champions load up the opponent with debuffs and we don’t hear people complaining about giving defenders willpower healing. And that’s because it’s not really a problem. I’ve run Despair nonstop for years. It’s wildly useful. If you aren’t running it and you’re trying to compete in higher end PVP content, I’d recommend fixing that. Willpower healing isn’t a concern.

Finally, his utility. First off, that taunt is wildly helpful. We always complain about how passive the AI can get, just sitting back with nearly three bars of power and ruining your day. Spidey counters that.

I always hear about how obnoxious the prevalence of unstoppable in high end content is. Spidey counters that with his decelerate. And he counters it across every class, no carve out for skill class defenders.

Finally, his stun durations cannot be decreased. That is absolutely *massive.* Yes, it’s fairly niche, but how many times have we seen a Brute Force/Limber node combination? It’s been a miniboss node in war for what feels like forever. Spidey is the perfect counter for it because his stun duration can’t be shortened. Parry to your heart’s content. Shuts down unstoppable and evade too, so you don’t have those issues making the fight trickier. Plus the enemy will be spamming sp1, giving you plenty of openings to do what you need to do.

In short, Spider-Man (Classic) is not going to be your answer to every problem in the game. He’s not Hercules and he’s not Magneto. But he’s genuinely quite useful and good in his own right. I’ll likely be taking mine up once I have the materials on hand.

magnus_xix

You clearly know a lot about Spidey. Let's see what rank you have him at

Karatemike415

Also, the proc chance is a full 100% if you hit them while they're stunned - which is how you're supposed to play him.

HenriqueSCCP

Kabam started with 3 or 4 buffs per month, now it's only 1 and every now and then 2, instead of improving the buffs, they got worse.
The buffs don't have to be among the best in the class, but they have to be at least useful, Spider-Man was a disappointment and the next disappointment will be Iceman.

BigPoppaCBONE

His non-skill stun debuff duration effect immunity is good. I never said it wasn't. That doesn't make him some sort of stun god, but it's better than nothing. Stun effects would be better, but that's OK. His taunt isn't doing enough to be propped up as an example of his value, IMO. You can go ahead and think it's awesome if you want. I'm calling his damage poor because I'm looking at the numbers he's generating and they are solidly unimpressive. If they wanted the Special 2 to be impressive enough to bother with using him, they could have done something like his taunts become armor breaks once the Special 2 stun ends. That gives me a reason to go for it, makes his damage go for longer than 3 seconds and the damage doesn't get Herculean since you can't refresh or pause the armor breaks. You don't get any of that though.

What up, Karate Mike! Anyway, they won't be stunned for the whole fight and how often will you only hit when they're stunned just for stacking taunts since they fall off. His sig will help, but still. Unless you're getting at that having one or a couple Spidey taunts is basically the same as aggressively maintaining several since the attack reduction is puny (yeah, yeah, Inequity, I know. That would at best be a side benefit for the very few people that have that mastery and got it because they intended to and will still use it with someone better), the special effects don't stack, and he doesn't increase damage via taunt except during the 3 second stun of Special 2. That's a solid point.
If you could pause them with a dex or a MLM, that could have been interesting, but you still don't get much out of them. The constant flips and dashing in and out would have looked cool and real Spidey-like if he didn't have the oldest vanilla initial batch animations of all times.

Zilliaxer

Yep Spidey Classic now upgrading only for profile pic

BigPoppaCBONE

Why would I have ranked him up? Have you been reading any of this thread? Prior to this, he was probably the worst Spider-verse champ, and after the buff, he might be better than Symbiote Spidey, maybe. Just like everyone else, I abandoned him shortly after I started playing. For that matter, how much of the video footage out there has him at max sig and peak rarity?

VestasCure

"If they wanted the Special 2 to be impressive enough to bother with using him, they could have done something like his taunts become armor breaks once the Special 2 stun ends."

This line right here shows me you don't actually understand how to use him/how he works. If you lose those taunts, even for armor breaks (which aren't a thing science champs are known for, so makes little sense anyway) you lose out on a ton. When you actually need the highest level of damage you can get, you'll build to just under an SP3, then SP2 into 3 combos which will give you another SP2 that will have an insane number of taunts since all the hits were into a stun. It's also not a 3 second stun, used correctly it will never just be a 3 second stun.

I never said the buff was awesome, I have said multiple times it's a mid-tier buff. You want to put words into my mouth to make yourself think you're right, go ahead.

And damage numbers are poor/unimpressive compared to what? Multiple people have said why his damage is good enough using the same example, he can do BGs in a timeframe expected of a "good enough" champion (sp1 into sp2 with ~a combo into the sp2 stun). I have yet to see someone give an example as to how/why the damage is poor.