Does Viv Vision need a buff?

Justin2524

J0eySn0w said:

I have her at r3 and still her base stats need some improvement imo. I like the route they went with her, makes her unique but she’ll pay dearly for any mishap that’s not your doing. Gameplay is still inconsistent and I believe it’s here to stay. Ex, parry timing messes her up from time to time with block damage.

Ah, ok so she could use a buff is what you’re saying?

Justin2524

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Justin2524 said:

People don’t tend to understand that resources are limited. How many % of players in the game currently have a spare 6* tech AG let alone 200 sig stones just lying around?

I would guess less than 1%.

I have three

Good for you…

Justin2524

KnightOfTheRealm said:

I gave one tech AG to viv and r3'd her because I had tech t5cc expiring, she's sig 1 and doing some decent damage. Didn't know she needed max sig though. I would've saved the gem for ghost or used it on ultron. Got two more so not heartbroken.

I recently I used a tech gem in iDoom .. would need to burn a generic on her hence the hesi.

Demonzfyre

Justin2524 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Justin2524 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Genuine question.... after watching those videos, did you take her for a spin? Did you try any of the rotations they used? Did you try any of your own rotations? it's fine to gather information about a champion, but it's also important that you find out what you like or don't like about a champion.

I'll use Silver Centurion as an example. He's not widely seen as the best or worse but he's very good at what his kit allows him to do. Most of the content creators weren't high on him but I have found many, many uses for him in lots of different content.

This is an obvious pattern with you. Most recently with Mantis.

Would you not ask someone who had scaled Everest for advice before setting off yourself?

Think.

To compare this thread and your example, you'd be asking if Everest should be higher before ever learning to scale a mountain.

You've not played with Viv Vision yourself. You've watched a few videos on her. You already think she's underwhelming because of those videos. You're asking if she needs a buff but somehow are bringing in that you have limited resources and using hashtags like a out of touch grown adult would who have never used them before.

You're problem isn't whether she needs a buff or you want to know how to play her, your problem is you just want to argue with people.

It would be more like could it be done without equipments and Sir Edmond Hillary said that “No it couldn’t” ..

Hence I’d rather wait to save up for more equipments before setting out or wait for the task to become easier (she gets a buff).

Furrymoosen

Here’s a legitimate solution to this issue. Play the champ without max sig and see how you like the play-style and the overall feel of the kit. No champ needs to be at max sig to make a decision for yourself on whether or not they are good. You can go to auntm.ai to get all the info on their sig ability. Once you learn the champ, then you see how the sig ability relates to the champ’s overall kit and discern how it may or may not improve the champ and make them someone you are more interested in investing in or not. If you enjoy a champ at sig 1, you are probably going to enjoy them even more at sig 20, sig 100, or max sig. There are plenty of champs out there that should be sig 200 and yet players rank them up unduped or low sig because they enjoy the champ, understand their kit, and are likely committed to future investment knowing the best of that champ lies down the road.

Nobody ever scaled Everest from bottom to top on their first attempt. It took training, practice and understanding. Play the champs as they are, decide if you enjoy them and study the full potential of their kit. Then decide if they’re an investment you want to make. The advice and insight of others is certainly helpful, but the most knowledgeable people involve their own study as the primary factor in their conclusions.

I don’t know if Viv is that great or not because I haven’t played around with mine yet, but I also don’t have certain champs ranked (Quake and Tigra are two examples) because I tried them and do not personally enjoy their play-style even though many of the YouTubers you constantly mention would put them in top tiers. You can validate your opinions with the thoughts of others, just don’t form them there.

GinjabredMonsta

Justin2524 said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Justin2524 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Genuine question.... after watching those videos, did you take her for a spin? Did you try any of the rotations they used? Did you try any of your own rotations? it's fine to gather information about a champion, but it's also important that you find out what you like or don't like about a champion.

I'll use Silver Centurion as an example. He's not widely seen as the best or worse but he's very good at what his kit allows him to do. Most of the content creators weren't high on him but I have found many, many uses for him in lots of different content.

This is an obvious pattern with you. Most recently with Mantis.

Would you not ask someone who had scaled Everest for advice before setting off yourself?

Think.

My post got sent to approval so it may double up, but the issue here is that you’re not asking for advice. You pulled a champ, saw other people’s gameplay and then immediately asked if she should be buffed. If you had asked for advice, this and the mantis thread would likely have gone a better route.

Mantis eventually got a buff so the devs obviously agreed.

Whelp I’m done here. You completely ignored everything I said to focus on one thing that could possible argue your point.

J0eySn0w

Justin2524 said:

J0eySn0w said:

I have her at r3 and still her base stats need some improvement imo. I like the route they went with her, makes her unique but she’ll pay dearly for any mishap that’s not your doing. Gameplay is still inconsistent and I believe it’s here to stay. Ex, parry timing messes her up from time to time with block damage.

Ah, ok so she could use a buff is what you’re saying?

I think she’ll benefit from a little upgrade, not much but a little. Some base stats and some attack. She’s not the champ you want to bring into a long fight. She’s supposed to be for short and mediums fights, but sadly she struggles with some of these matchups making them last longer than they should.
You need her a rank or two above other good champs for her to compete with them. That’s not a sign of a champ that will age well with time.

GroundedWisdom

I'm not exactly sure what the point is in asking for feedback if you're only going to accept the feedback that supports your opinion.
I'm pretty sure that's called being an "askhole".

GroundedWisdom

More to the point, I don't think she needs a tune-up. I would invest in her.
My SW is eating Sigs just fine. Sometimes it takes patience.

KnightOfTheRealm

You know its bad when mcoc is being compared to mount everest

Justin2524

GroundedWisdom said:

I'm not exactly sure what the point is in asking for feedback if you're only going to accept the feedback that supports your opinion.
I'm pretty sure that's called being an "askhole".

I’ve never heard of that term.. is it commonly used?

Justin2524

GroundedWisdom said:

More to the point, I don't think she needs a tune-up. I would invest in her.
My SW is eating Sigs just fine. Sometimes it takes patience.

Have you been using Viv?

pseudosane

Sigh, another back and forth thread.

AverageDesi

Can we submit a ticket to remove a champ from someone else's roster?

Justin2524

J0eySn0w said:

Justin2524 said:

J0eySn0w said:

I have her at r3 and still her base stats need some improvement imo. I like the route they went with her, makes her unique but she’ll pay dearly for any mishap that’s not your doing. Gameplay is still inconsistent and I believe it’s here to stay. Ex, parry timing messes her up from time to time with block damage.

Ah, ok so she could use a buff is what you’re saying?

I think she’ll benefit from a little upgrade, not much but a little. Some base stats and some attack. She’s not the champ you want to bring into a long fight. She’s supposed to be for short and mediums fights, but sadly she struggles with some of these matchups making them last longer than they should.
You need her a rank or two above other good champs for her to compete with them. That’s not a sign of a champ that will age well with time.

I see that seems to be the overall feeling I get from all the famous and well respected YouTubers as well.

Hopefully the devs are taking note. I really hope she becomes a champ I could invest into as resources are so limited nowadays.

Thank you for your valuable input.

Justin2524

pseudosane said:

Sigh, another back and forth thread.

I don’t think so.

There’s a lot of good into being provided so far, let me summarise:

- she needs awakening to be effective
- she needs high sigs possibly 200 to be effective
- she suffers from long fights
- her base states are somewhat underwhelming

This is invaluable info for the devs to consider her being buffed.

TheWatcher_

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Don't let Youtubers change your mind on a champ

Justin2524

TheWatcher_ said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Don't let Youtubers change your mind on a champ

I’m not, I’m gathering as much info as I can before investing into one as resources are limited.

[Deleted User]

Justin2524 said: AngelMcNugget said: Justin2524 said: AngelMcNugget said: Justin2524 said: I_tell_no_tales_1 said: Justin2524 said: Demonzfyre said: Justin2524 said:Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Genuine question.... after watching those videos, did you take her for a spin? Did you try any of the rotations they used? Did you try any of your own rotations? it's fine to gather information about a champion, but it's also important that you find out what you like or don't like about a champion.

I'll use Silver Centurion as an example. He's not widely seen as the best or worse but he's very good at what his kit allows him to do. Most of the content creators weren't high on him but I have found many, many uses for him in lots of different content.

This is an obvious pattern with you. Most recently with Mantis.
Would you not ask someone who had scaled Everest for advice before setting off yourself?

Think.


Yeah
You asked for advice
People gave it
Now climb the Everest
Well I've been told she isn't as effective without being awakened and 200 sig.

So what now?


You go to auntmai, see if her sig 0, 1, 100, and 200 are desirable to you and then you make your decision.

But how does that tell you what’s it like in actual gameplay?

You use the numbers and the words to figure that out

I’ve been told constantly in this thread to “use the champ”. Now you’re telling me to just read the description and “figure it out”?

Which is it?

Both or either

AverageDesi

AngelMcNugget said:

Justin2524 said:

AngelMcNugget said:

Justin2524 said:

AngelMcNugget said:

Justin2524 said:

I_tell_no_tales_1 said:

Justin2524 said:

Demonzfyre said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Genuine question.... after watching those videos, did you take her for a spin? Did you try any of the rotations they used? Did you try any of your own rotations? it's fine to gather information about a champion, but it's also important that you find out what you like or don't like about a champion.

I'll use Silver Centurion as an example. He's not widely seen as the best or worse but he's very good at what his kit allows him to do. Most of the content creators weren't high on him but I have found many, many uses for him in lots of different content.

This is an obvious pattern with you. Most recently with Mantis.

Would you not ask someone who had scaled Everest for advice before setting off yourself?

Think.

Yeah
You asked for advice
People gave it
Now climb the Everest

Well I've been told she isn't as effective without being awakened and 200 sig.

So what now?

You go to auntmai, see if her sig 0, 1, 100, and 200 are desirable to you and then you make your decision.

But how does that tell you what’s it like in actual gameplay?

You use the numbers and the words to figure that out

I’ve been told constantly in this thread to “use the champ”. Now you’re telling me to just read the description and “figure it out”?

Which is it?

Both or either

Why

Demonzfyre

Justin2524 said:

J0eySn0w said:

Justin2524 said:

J0eySn0w said:

I have her at r3 and still her base stats need some improvement imo. I like the route they went with her, makes her unique but she’ll pay dearly for any mishap that’s not your doing. Gameplay is still inconsistent and I believe it’s here to stay. Ex, parry timing messes her up from time to time with block damage.

Ah, ok so she could use a buff is what you’re saying?

I think she’ll benefit from a little upgrade, not much but a little. Some base stats and some attack. She’s not the champ you want to bring into a long fight. She’s supposed to be for short and mediums fights, but sadly she struggles with some of these matchups making them last longer than they should.
You need her a rank or two above other good champs for her to compete with them. That’s not a sign of a champ that will age well with time.

I see that seems to be the overall feeling I get from all the famous and well respected YouTubers as well.

Hopefully the devs are taking note. I really hope she becomes a champ I could invest into as resources are so limited nowadays.

Thank you for your valuable input.

So the one person who agrees with your original point of the thread is the only one you thank for their "valuable input"?

Its just lunacy reading this thread and you switching your stance every time someone gives you their advice. You went from asking if she needs a buff to saying you have limited resources to saying that she isn't well liked by youtubers and then back to saying she needs a buff and you'll wait. Pick a position and stick with it.

The fact that all of get sucked into your threads thinking that maybe this will be the time we convince Justin2524 to change his mind shows that we are just glutton for punishment. Your posts should come with a PSA warning.

Justin2524 said:

TheWatcher_ said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Don't let Youtubers change your mind on a champ

I’m not, I’m gathering as much info as I can before investing into one as resources are limited.

Are you also getting paid for saying "resources are limited"?

GroundedWisdom

Justin2524 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

More to the point, I don't think she needs a tune-up. I would invest in her.
My SW is eating Sigs just fine. Sometimes it takes patience.

Have you been using Viv?

No. I've seen the same evidence you have. Then again, you haven't been using her either.

TheWatcher_

Justin2524 said:

TheWatcher_ said:

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

Don't let Youtubers change your mind on a champ

I’m not, I’m gathering as much info as I can before investing into one as resources are limited.

Oh really? How come you said "Seems THEY think the champ is underwhelming." The real question is what do you think of her? You seem to think that whatever Youtubers say about a champ, you seem to agree with them and take there word for it. That's what they think of the champ, not you. You could have a complete different opinion on the champ.

Sw0rdMaster

Justin2524 said:

Have just pulled her as a 6*.

Watched a few videos on her from Lagacy to Karatemike to KT1 and it seems they think the champ is a little underwhelming.

Lagacy had him in the third tier (from top), and said that she has really low “base stats”.

KT1 said she’s “under-tuned”.

Karatemike was probably the most bullish of her, but who isn’t he bullish on? lol..

Anyone been using her?

Do you think she would benefit from a buff?

For me i feel the damage is fine, and i like her utility. She's not a speed demon like CGR, so your not going to end fights fast, but i can deal with that.

Best is to look at your roster and see if you need her or not.

Kabam Jax

Hey.

Y'guys think we can stop doing this?

Thanks.