Is there any Tech champ that can’t be reliably CGR’ed or Red Mags’ed?

Apart from Nimrod which I already know about.

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Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.

AverageDesi

I don't think there's anyone

BeastDad

Omega Sentinel against red mags but other than that I don't think so.

Gainsley_Harriott

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.

Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol

Bendy

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol

U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr

Gainsley_Harriott

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol
U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr

It’s easy to get her to her SP1 before she reaches even 3 armors. Heavy to LLLML to MLLLM…. He gets to his SP2 and she gets to her SP1 or just slightly below with just 2 armors.

CGR’s power gain will make it so that he himself quickly reaches SP2, applying armor breaks and fate seal which completely shuts down her armor.

Furthermore if you do make a mistake you are immune to incinerate.

CGR is a fantastic counter to OS.

rockykoston

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol
U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr
It’s easy to get her to her SP1 before she reaches even 3 armors. Heavy to LLLML to MLLLM…. He gets to his SP2 and she gets to her SP1 or just slightly below with just 2 armors.

CGR’s power gain will make it so that he himself quickly reaches SP2, applying armor breaks and fate seal which completely shuts down her armor.

Furthermore if you do make a mistake you are immune to incinerate.

CGR is a fantastic counter to OS.

While I do agree with this, you're forgetting the nodes.

In wars atleast I've seen, she's on a node that gives power when the opponent gains a buff. She gets to sp1 much before cgr gets to his sp1

He still counters her, but not as convincingly as you mentioned

Ourobøros

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol
U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr
It’s easy to get her to her SP1 before she reaches even 3 armors. Heavy to LLLML to MLLLM…. He gets to his SP2 and she gets to her SP1 or just slightly below with just 2 armors.

CGR’s power gain will make it so that he himself quickly reaches SP2, applying armor breaks and fate seal which completely shuts down her armor.

Furthermore if you do make a mistake you are immune to incinerate.

CGR is a fantastic counter to OS.
While I do agree with this, you're forgetting the nodes.

In wars atleast I've seen, she's on a node that gives power when the opponent gains a buff. She gets to sp1 much before cgr gets to his sp1

He still counters her, but not as convincingly as you mentioned

We’re talking about counters not war nodes

V16ul

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.

Even though she doesn’t take any bleed Dot damage but sharpnel bleed still do physical damage when duration on them expires.

So, she can still get red maged but yeah the fight duration will be longer than usual…

Gainsley_Harriott

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol
U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr
It’s easy to get her to her SP1 before she reaches even 3 armors. Heavy to LLLML to MLLLM…. He gets to his SP2 and she gets to her SP1 or just slightly below with just 2 armors.

CGR’s power gain will make it so that he himself quickly reaches SP2, applying armor breaks and fate seal which completely shuts down her armor.

Furthermore if you do make a mistake you are immune to incinerate.

CGR is a fantastic counter to OS.
While I do agree with this, you're forgetting the nodes.

In wars atleast I've seen, she's on a node that gives power when the opponent gains a buff. She gets to sp1 much before cgr gets to his sp1

He still counters her, but not as convincingly as you mentioned

Bro, the faster she gets to her SP1 the better, so this makes it even better for CGR haha

Her SP1 removes her armors so you wanna get her to it as soon as possible then bait it out. Even if she does get to SP2 CGR is incinerate Immune.

CGR is literally almost the perfect counter, all he’s missing is a direct counter to auto-block but he doesn’t even need it using the rotation I outlined above.

AMS94

That depends on what "reliably" means

If it means that it's very hard to get a solo, then no there is no such Tech champ
If it means the fight will go slower than it usually goes against other Techs while using these 2 champs then only Nimrod fits that category
Peni can also slow down the fight if she has had the opportunity to gain enough charges

Shuri is tough to handle with Mags if u want a fast solo but CGR can rinse her....same with Omega Sentinel

But no tech completely road blocks or gives too much trouble to both of these champs

HSS75

Iron man infinity war could only be handled easily by red mags but with other champions it's hard because of those armors. And he can also auto block which in aw/bg can cause parry

Gainsley_Harriott

Iron man infinity war could only be handled easily by red mags but with other champions it's hard because of those armors. And he can also auto block which in aw/bg can cause parry

Agreed but like you said Red Mags crushes him.

HSS75

Iron man infinity war could only be handled easily by red mags but with other champions it's hard because of those armors. And he can also auto block which in aw/bg can cause parry
Agreed but like you said Red Mags crushes him.

Yeah, i don't think there's a tech champ that can handle both of them

HSS75

except nimrod

spider_man_guy_123

Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no

Gainsley_Harriott

Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no

Not really crushed, armor break does nothing to Nimrod. CGR would have to go the SP3 Fury route and could get it done but would be long I reckon.

StuntzTheCMMKid

Apart from Nimrod which I already know about.

Nope. And Mags has some, not much, control over Nimrod once magnetized. I experienced this in BGs.

StuntzTheCMMKid

In this game, Tech = Metal lol

Ercarret

Sam Wilson is not #metal and autoblocks like crazy if he has enough armor ups, neutering both Mags and CGR decently. It's not impossible to defeat him with them but he's by no means an ideal fight either. With Mags, it's basically like fighting any other non-#metal champion. With CGR, Sam's autoblock will often really screw over your SP2. Since CGR fate seals Sam when he reaches five Judgements, you'll just constantly convert Sam's armor up buffs into passives that cannot be removed via armor break.

Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no

How do you crush Nimrod with CGR? He's basically immune to armor breaks so CGR's damage takes a huge hit. Do you go for the SP3 rotation?

Gainsley_Harriott

Sam Wilson is not #metal and autoblocks like crazy if he has enough armor ups, neutering both Mags and CGR decently. It's not impossible to defeat him with them but he's by no means an ideal fight either. With Mags, it's basically like fighting any other non-#metal champion. With CGR, Sam's autoblock will often really screw over your SP2. Since CGR fate seals Sam when he reaches five Judgements, you'll just constantly convert Sam's armor up buffs into passives that cannot be removed via armor break.
Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no
How do you crush Nimrod with CGR? He's basically immune to armor breaks so CGR's damage takes a huge hit. Do you go for the SP3 rotation?

Ahh, nice find.

Does Sam’s auto-block block heavy attacks like Omega Sentinel’s does?

Regarding Nimrod, SP3 rotation is the only viable option I can think of.

I_tell_no_tales_1

Iron patriot

I_tell_no_tales_1

Sam Wilson is not #metal and autoblocks like crazy if he has enough armor ups, neutering both Mags and CGR decently. It's not impossible to defeat him with them but he's by no means an ideal fight either. With Mags, it's basically like fighting any other non-#metal champion. With CGR, Sam's autoblock will often really screw over your SP2. Since CGR fate seals Sam when he reaches five Judgements, you'll just constantly convert Sam's armor up buffs into passives that cannot be removed via armor break.
Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no
How do you crush Nimrod with CGR? He's basically immune to armor breaks so CGR's damage takes a huge hit. Do you go for the SP3 rotation?

I spam sp1s
Gets the job done even in BGs

Gainsley_Harriott

Sam Wilson is not #metal and autoblocks like crazy if he has enough armor ups, neutering both Mags and CGR decently. It's not impossible to defeat him with them but he's by no means an ideal fight either. With Mags, it's basically like fighting any other non-#metal champion. With CGR, Sam's autoblock will often really screw over your SP2. Since CGR fate seals Sam when he reaches five Judgements, you'll just constantly convert Sam's armor up buffs into passives that cannot be removed via armor break.
Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no
How do you crush Nimrod with CGR? He's basically immune to armor breaks so CGR's damage takes a huge hit. Do you go for the SP3 rotation?
I spam sp1s
Gets the job done even in BGs

To kill Sam Wilson or Nimrod?

Phantomfire500

Omega Sentinel is not immune to bleed so Mags won't get the massive damage boost against her from armor breaks, and she doesn't take damage from bleed either so it might be a long fight for Mags.
Very true that Mags is useless against her but she can still get crushed by CGR so doesn’t qualify lol
U cant really reliablly use cgr on her as u cant use same hit in a row so she gains armor ups quite quickly against cgr

...And loses them quicker when CGR applies 17 armour breaks

Nimrod is about as good as you can get for a mags counter, and definitely is far from an ideal opponent for CGR though.

Phantomfire500

Shuri and Yondu? Non-metal, and non contact attacks can mess with CGR a bit. Better than Rocket, Star Lord and shocker anyway, who are the other non-metal techs alongside Sam Wilson who's already been said. Not sure I'd call it "unreliable" for even a mediocre CGR player though.

SonOfArgu16

Okay, I might get disagrees with this but my bet would be Rocket Raccoon.

He has power drain, armor break, and heal block, but the clincher is that he's non-metal to counter Mags and he's a hero so no debuff against CGR. Add on the fact that CGR is Metal which makes Rocket gain more scrap from him than normal.

Yes, he may be fragile as a defender but as an attacker he'll be good against Mags and CGR

Ercarret

Sam Wilson is not #metal and autoblocks like crazy if he has enough armor ups, neutering both Mags and CGR decently. It's not impossible to defeat him with them but he's by no means an ideal fight either. With Mags, it's basically like fighting any other non-#metal champion. With CGR, Sam's autoblock will often really screw over your SP2. Since CGR fate seals Sam when he reaches five Judgements, you'll just constantly convert Sam's armor up buffs into passives that cannot be removed via armor break.
Nimrod gets crushed by CGR so no
How do you crush Nimrod with CGR? He's basically immune to armor breaks so CGR's damage takes a huge hit. Do you go for the SP3 rotation?
Does Sam’s auto-block block heavy attacks like Omega Sentinel’s does?

No, his autoblock is just against special attacks.

007Bishop

I suppose Mysterio is one such tech champ CGR could possibly struggle with. It's not just Mysterio's abilities that are annoying but also his AI. Considering how Mysterio's SP1 and SP2 can screw with CGR's rotation, it might be a little tricky get around Mysterio with CGR, especially with complicated nodes. And knowing how Mysterio's AI works, you either end up dexxing his sudden heavy attacks or get clipped by it.