Warlock vs Ultron

Gainsley_Harriott

Which is better for general questing (story, EQ, etc)

KnightOfTheRealm

Warlock has more utility and ultron hits harder. I prefer warlock

willrun4adonut

Ultron hits harder and saves potions with his Regen. I prefer Ultron, though I often use Warlock because of his easy access to heal block

BeastDad

Love them both

Wu_Bangerz23

Questing wise.....why not both. They pair well together. I have both at 6r3 and I feel I use Ultron a bit more

Viking_St3v3

Wu_Bangerz23 said:

Questing wise.....why not both. They pair well together. I have both at 6r3 and I feel I use Ultron a bit more

This.

FrostGiantLord

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Mackey

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Don't forget his sig ability when maxed basically renders shock and incinerate pointless too 👍

Overall Ultron is the much heater champ IMO OP. Unless you're facing a regen heavy champ then warlock clutches that fir his heal block but that's all he has that's worth mentioning over ultron

Gainsley_Harriott

Mackey said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Don't forget his sig ability when maxed basically renders shock and incinerate pointless too 👍

Overall Ultron is the much heater champ IMO OP. Unless you're facing a regen heavy champ then warlock clutches that fir his heal block but that's all he has that's worth mentioning over ultron

Is Ultron still good without any of his synergies?

Gainsley_Harriott

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Warlock has more utility and ultron hits harder. I prefer warlock

Does Ultron still hit harder without any of his synergies?

bhuv9191

Ultron!!

Easy Choice..

1.) Bleed and Poison Immune
2.) Regenerate at 50% & 25% and recover almost 18% health back
3.) Degenerate MUTANTS - very easy to kill bishop / wolverine/Kitty
4.) Stun at L1 and rotate easily
5.) PowerDrain with SP3 - MOST Needed
6.) auto-evade (Most used by our AQ in Map 5 against Scorpion SP1 atttack)
7.) Evade helps a TON!!
8.) Synergies with Hukbuster / kingpin makes him god.
9.) He's energey immune (Means, he gets auto-renegeate if he gets energy attacks) - so solid against whoever champs dong energy attacks!!
10.) his attacks make BLEED, which helps in many quests. Example: Playng against electro boss, he'll make him bleed to death and regenrate back at 50% health to back to 75%....

Warlock is no match at all!!

Gainsley_Harriott

bhuv9191 said:

Ultron!!

Easy Choice..

1.) Bleed and Poison Immune
2.) Regenerate at 50% & 25% and recover almost 18% health back
3.) Degenerate MUTANTS - very easy to kill bishop / wolverine/Kitty
4.) Stun at L1 and rotate easily
5.) PowerDrain with SP3 - MOST Needed
6.) auto-evade (Most used by our AQ in Map 5 against Scorpion SP1 atttack)
7.) Evade helps a TON!!
8.) Synergies with Hukbuster / kingpin makes him god.
9.) He's energey immune (Means, he gets auto-renegeate if he gets energy attacks) - so solid against whoever champs dong energy attacks!!
10.) his attacks make BLEED, which helps in many quests. Example: Playng against electro boss, he'll make him bleed to death and regenrate back at 50% health to back to 75%....

Warlock is no match at all!!

What about without synergy?

bhuv9191

Gainsley_Harriott said:

bhuv9191 said:

Ultron!!

Easy Choice..

1.) Bleed and Poison Immune
2.) Regenerate at 50% & 25% and recover almost 18% health back
3.) Degenerate MUTANTS - very easy to kill bishop / wolverine/Kitty
4.) Stun at L1 and rotate easily
5.) PowerDrain with SP3 - MOST Needed
6.) auto-evade (Most used by our AQ in Map 5 against Scorpion SP1 atttack)
7.) Evade helps a TON!!
8.) Synergies with Hukbuster / kingpin makes him god.
9.) He's energey immune (Means, he gets auto-renegeate if he gets energy attacks) - so solid against whoever champs dong energy attacks!!
10.) his attacks make BLEED, which helps in many quests. Example: Playng against electro boss, he'll make him bleed to death and regenrate back at 50% health to back to 75%....

Warlock is no match at all!!

What about without synergy?

Not much important !! He's a sole warrior!

Mackey

Gainsley_Harriott said:

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Warlock has more utility and ultron hits harder. I prefer warlock

Does Ultron still hit harder without any of his synergies?

I have never used any synergy for Ultron, he's probably one of my most used champs, definitely my most used Tech.

Can you tell me what the synergies you're talking about are? Genuinely don't pay attention to any synergies apart from kitty/tigra

Gainsley_Harriott

Mackey said:

Gainsley_Harriott said:

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Warlock has more utility and ultron hits harder. I prefer warlock

Does Ultron still hit harder without any of his synergies?

I have never used any synergy for Ultron, he's probably one of my most used champs, definitely my most used Tech.

Can you tell me what the synergies you're talking about are? Genuinely don't pay attention to any synergies apart from kitty/tigra

I think it’s with Hulkbuster or any of the two visions.

That’s good to hear though; what’s the ideal rotation? I’ve been trying him against ROL Winter Solider and wasn’t that impressed but maybe using wrong rotation.

WinterFields

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Switch self-repair with regeneration on SP3 and you just described Warlock

Buttehrs

Why not both? Ultorn will eventually run into the problem of bleed/debuff immune and his damage will fall off to the Abyss. That's when you pop in warlock where almost no one is immune to his degen from his techno virus.

007Bishop

Ultron

FiiNCH

Mackey said:

Gainsley_Harriott said:

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Warlock has more utility and ultron hits harder. I prefer warlock

Does Ultron still hit harder without any of his synergies?

I have never used any synergy for Ultron, he's probably one of my most used champs, definitely my most used Tech.

Can you tell me what the synergies you're talking about are? Genuinely don't pay attention to any synergies apart from kitty/tigra

Pair him with Hulkbuster and his DPS goes through the roof. My general rotation:

- Build to 2 bars of power
- Throw heavy and then go straight into a 5 hit combo
- sp2, then 5 hit combo and then straight into sp1

You then melt the defender with 2 huge fury’s up.

Musha27

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Doesn't Warlock have double immunnites too?

KnightOfTheRealm

Musha27 said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Doesn't Warlock have double immunnites too?

Warlock has basically everything he said except for the regen, so swap heal block in for that

WinterFields

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Musha27 said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Doesn't Warlock have double immunnites too?

Warlock has basically everything he said except for the regen, so swap heal block in for that

Except Warlock can also regen on SP3

Magrailothos

WinterFields said:

KnightOfTheRealm said:

Musha27 said:

FrostGiantLord said:

Ultron IMO. He has double immunity against Poison and Bleed, which can be extremely helpful in nodes like Caltrops. His sp3 Power Burn grants him power control, and he can self-repair twice, regenerating his health. He can tank a lot, and has amazing utility, but is a bit lacking in offense. If you're patient enough to slowly whittle down the opponent with bleeds, he is definitely the better of the two for questing. I personally use him as a lane clearer in quests, saving more powerful champs for the boss.

Doesn't Warlock have double immunnites too?

Warlock has basically everything he said except for the regen, so swap heal block in for that

Except Warlock can also regen on SP3

True, although when it comes to regeneration, Warlock does not compare well to Ultron.

Ultron can generate 25% of his health twice; so up to 50% in a single fight.
Warlock can regenerate 4% of his health per infection, per SP3.
Maintaining more than 2 infections without spamming SP2s is very hard*, so if you're rotating SP3s you'll rarely regenerate more than 8% health from an SP3; and often just 4%.
Warlock is many things, but he's really not a Regeneration machine.
He's also just as dependent on Debuffs as Ultron is; without Bleed, Shock and Armour Break, his damage from basic hits and degeneration is less than impressive. So I wouldn't really say he's better against debuff immunity.

*Although if you're running a Tech Power boost and can throw a lot of Specials, this becomes a whole different story, and he can probably gain quite a lot of health with an SO2, SP2, SP3 rotation.

ChiliDog

Other than having Bleed and poison immunities, I don't really use these champs for a lot of the same fights. If the champ (non-mutant) is bleed immune or regenerates a lot....it makes the decision easier.