What was the thinking behind voting Knull?

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  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 502 ★★★

    007Bishop said:

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    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    i forgot that spending money means champions are more or less fun
    Not sure why you keep insisting people should be happy with an unduped medusa because she's fun. She's not lmao. She takes ages to finish the fight unduped and even then nobody would really use her much over other cosmics. Sure, you or a couple other medusa lovers might use her but overall she is useless to most players, especially unduped. You can agree with it or disagree, doesn't bother me. I'm done with this convo
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited June 2023



    007Bishop said:


    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    Knull not the best in the poll KG or Sersi easily better first Sersi is a way better defender and a very solid attacker while KG has very good defense and offense use
    Tell me you are cav without telling me you are cav
    Maybe know what champ can do before you assume stuff knull mid compared to KG who can purify debuffs heal put out great damage and can stall in bgs KG and better questing champ and defender than knull since placing knull you got to hope they can’t fight him and Sersi Sersi easily a top tier cosmic great damage great defensive use knull needs a ramp still not impressive after that knull only better than medusa cause she’s old and needs a little tune up
    How are you gonna say that to someone and then claim Knull is "mid" compared to KG lol
    1. KG can purify debuffs as long as he has furies, that's the only somewhat annoying defensive ability he has. Knull on the other hand applies reversed controls while you're corrupted after he starts spamming sp1s (which in BGs is unavoidable a lot of times as the AI will throw sp1s even if you hold block).
    2. You bring up the healing from his awakened ability which stalls in BGs, which is true. However, Knull's awakened ability gives him unblockable and unstoppable so if you don't have a good counter not only do you have to deal with the reversed controls but unstoppable and unblockable too. KG has nothing in his kit that's makes him as dangerous on defense as Knull when you don't have a strong counter.
    3. As for offense, the difference is not nearly as big as you think it is, both aren't exactly the quickest because they require quite a bit of ramp up but in terms of damage they're pretty close, they just do it differently. One comes from debuffs, the other comes from fury buffs.
    4. Knull has three times the amount of utility KG has lol.
    If your struggling with reverse controls that’s a skill issue it’s been in the game for years most big bosses have it and with all the mystic champs running bgs cause of MD if you don’t have a knull counters that’s your fault KG healthpool enough is annoying but knull cheesable by Wiccan aa abs doom tigra rintrah and some others and you can ban all of them while KG can be semi cheesed but not as hard as knull making KG a tuffer fight and KG has plenty of utility to compete with knull and with the game moving away from armor break debuff and debuff countering nodes you can’t rely on champs like knull anymore
    It's an even bigger skill issue if you struggle with champs who purify debuffs how did you beat the Collector if you think KG is a good defender because he can purify debuffs? Intercepting is easier than playing with reversed controls while the defender is unblockable and unstoppable bud.

    The fact that Knull requires a counter and KG doesn't alone makes Knull a better defender. KG can be cheesed with any champ with high damage, you don't even need a counter.

    I didn't say KG doesn't have utility, I said Knull has more which is a fact have you even read his kit?
    I also don't know why you're bringing up armor break when Knull's damage comes from the degens and instant bleeds from corruption, not the armor breaks
    I agree with most of what you're saying, but Knull definitely doesn't require a counter. Just bait heavies until he throws his sp2, you'll just heal from the armor breaks and it's an easy fight.

    Neither KG nor Knull are good defenders, both practically require you to slip up against them. Accidentally parry KG while he's in his Fury mode? Hope you can tank that combo. Accidentally let Knull throw his sp1? Hope you can swipe in the other direction for a little bit. That is the extent of their defensive capabilities.

    Overall, KG definitely has more utility. Poisons, armor breaks, Regen, buffs and immunities. But Knull has much higher damage, and usually has enough damage to make up for the utility. Not that he has none, just not nearly as much as characters like KG. Neither of them are better than the other, just meant for completely different things. Plus, KG kinda needs the sig.
    You can definitely counter him that way I just don't find that method 100% reliable because sometimes (rarely happens but it does happen) he'll throw sp1 even if you're holding block, AI can be weird.
    Also, armor breaks won't heal you if they're running despair (mine's maxed).

    I agree that both can be countered and they're not that strong on defense anymore but I do think Knull's abilities are harder to play around than KG's (unless you have a counter which won't always be the case in BGs).

    I disagree. Degen bleed poison resistance, remove armor buffs and apply armor break, remove regen effects and replace them with degen (if you have despair doesn't matter if they're not corrupted they still won't heal), lowers combat power rate while corruption is active, and true accuracy which means no evade. Also, to add to the fact that he has higher damage he's also definitely a bit faster to ramp up than KG.
    I agree that both are made for different content but I definitely feel like Knull is superior and capable of covering more content than KG in general. I haven't hit Paragon yet but I haven't used KG a single time since I finished Act 5, I've been TB for about two months now.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    i forgot that spending money means champions are more or less fun
    Not sure why you keep insisting people should be happy with an unduped medusa because she's fun. She's not lmao. She takes ages to finish the fight unduped and even then nobody would really use her much over other cosmics. Sure, you or a couple other medusa lovers might use her but overall she is useless to most players, especially unduped. You can agree with it or disagree, doesn't bother me. I'm done with this convo
    Because you’re wildly fixated on unduped or duped. This isn’t a vote for the next few months when people don’t have many 7*s. This is a vote for the next 4 years, where there is 0 guarantee any other champion will be added as a 7*.

    I honestly don’t care about your opinion on Medusa, it doesn’t phase me either way, but the idea that voting for a champion is a bad idea because they’re bad until they’re duped is so odd. Just let people vote for who they enjoy without judgement dude, lighten up a little.
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    I loved Medusa. Would be happy to get her over knull. And yes. I'm f2p
    Well you are certainly one of a kind then
    Nahhh
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  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    The fact KG didn’t win is a travesty. You’re all on my list
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 502 ★★★
    edited June 2023

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    i forgot that spending money means champions are more or less fun
    Not sure why you keep insisting people should be happy with an unduped medusa because she's fun. She's not lmao. She takes ages to finish the fight unduped and even then nobody would really use her much over other cosmics. Sure, you or a couple other medusa lovers might use her but overall she is useless to most players, especially unduped. You can agree with it or disagree, doesn't bother me. I'm done with this convo
    Because you’re wildly fixated on unduped or duped. This isn’t a vote for the next few months when people don’t have many 7*s. This is a vote for the next 4 years, where there is 0 guarantee any other champion will be added as a 7*.

    I honestly don’t care about your opinion on Medusa, it doesn’t phase me either way, but the idea that voting for a champion is a bad idea because they’re bad until they’re duped is so odd. Just let people vote for who they enjoy without judgement dude, lighten up a little.

    Who cares about something that's going to happen 4 years down the lane lmao. You are so odd telling me to lighten up and not care about what others are voting when i was literally explaining to OP why Knull won over the others and you decided it was a good idea to express your opinion on it. Lets be honest, nobody is going to play the long game, especially not for a mid tier champ like medusa. And at the end of the day, Knull still won so it doesn't matter whether people believe medusa or KG should have won. Knull is still objectively the better champ than Medusa and will always be lol. He just does way more than she does and is easily a top 10 cosmic while Medusa would be lucky to be considered top 15
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 502 ★★★

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    I loved Medusa. Would be happy to get her over knull. And yes. I'm f2p
    Well you are certainly one of a kind then
    Nahhh
    Good for you ig? Medusa still sucks compared to Knull tho so say what you want
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    i forgot that spending money means champions are more or less fun
    Not sure why you keep insisting people should be happy with an unduped medusa because she's fun. She's not lmao. She takes ages to finish the fight unduped and even then nobody would really use her much over other cosmics. Sure, you or a couple other medusa lovers might use her but overall she is useless to most players, especially unduped. You can agree with it or disagree, doesn't bother me. I'm done with this convo
    Because you’re wildly fixated on unduped or duped. This isn’t a vote for the next few months when people don’t have many 7*s. This is a vote for the next 4 years, where there is 0 guarantee any other champion will be added as a 7*.

    I honestly don’t care about your opinion on Medusa, it doesn’t phase me either way, but the idea that voting for a champion is a bad idea because they’re bad until they’re duped is so odd. Just let people vote for who they enjoy without judgement dude, lighten up a little.

    Who cares about something that's going to happen 4 years down the lane lmao. You are so odd telling me to lighten up and not care about what others are voting when i was literally explaining to OP why Knull won over the others and you decided it was a good idea to express your opinion on it. Lets be honest, nobody is going to play the long game, especially not for a mid tier champ like medusa. And at the end of the day, Knull still won so it doesn't matter whether people believe medusa or KG should have won. Knull is still objectively the better champ than Medusa and will always be lol. He just does way more than she does and is easily a top 10 cosmic while Medusa would be lucky to be considered top 15
    That’s not what I said, like, any of it

    The reason I’m saying 4 years is not that it’ll take 4 years to dupe a champion. Some people will dupe Medusa the first 2 crystals they open after she’s added, that’s almost à mathematical certainty.

    The reason I said 4 years is because that’s a guess on the life of a rarity, it’s to show that we may not get any of the other champs for a long time. So it’s not just about voting for the “best unduped champion”. Because if she were voted, people are *going* to be duping Medusa’s in 6 months time, they are going to be duping her in 2 years time, they are going to be duping her in 6 years time. The vote is not just for the next few months

    The conversation started because you said Knull was leagues above everyone else. I disagree with that, I can see value in champions outside of that. And my argument is basically that some people don’t just vote on whether a champion is good, some may vote a champ because they are explicitly not the best, as a 7* gets extra stats compared to a 6*, or they’re their favourite champion.

    Essentially, you can make an argument for absolutely any champion on any of the lists in terms of quality, how much you like them, or any other measure.

    After that you just kept up bringing up unduped as a reason that nobody should vote the others, so that’s why the conversation carried on, because in my opinion that’s an odd thing to fixate on, considering we are *going* to be duping these champions.

    If you want to vote Knull because he’s the best unduped, that’s absolutely fine. It’s a fine reason for you to vote that way. But it’s not a reason that nobody else could possibly think the other options are good champs as 7*s just because they need the dupe.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,619 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    007Bishop said:

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    Because knull needs neither max sig nor the dupe? Have you seen the damage and utility an unduped knull has? His dupe literally just shortens his ramp up by like 5-6 heavies and gives him the ability to deal with regen once the opponent has gone below a certain health threshold, but it's nothing special. An unduped knull is leagues above everyone in the poll
    I agree with everything you’ve said up until the last sentence.

    You could make an argument for any one of these champions. But no, Knull doesn’t need the dupe or max sig.
    You can't really make an argument for an unduped KG or Medusa compared to an unduped Knull.
    I think you’re focussing too much on the unduped aspect. 7*s aren’t only here for the next year. And there’s 0 guarantee that any of these other champions are ever coming as 7*s.
    Idk about you but as a ftp I wouldn't be happy about pulling a 7* medusa this early on. I'm sure other f2ps would probably agree with me
    I'd be over the moon, Medusa would be so damn awesome
    Again, are you an f2p? If you are, then congrats. If you aren't, most of us are not gonna be happy about an unduped medusa so that's why she's wouldn't have been a good pick from the poll
    I'm not sure what F2P has anything to do with.
  • mbracembrace Member Posts: 898 ★★★
    Rasilover said:

    Unduped Sersei > Sig 20 Knull

    Sig 200 Knull > Sig 200 Sersi. A maxed out 7* Knull would obliterate tech champs and more. By the time you actually get to pull Knull from a Titan Crystal, 7* AGs and 7* sig stones will probably be available.

  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    mbrace said:

    Rasilover said:

    Unduped Sersei > Sig 20 Knull

    Sig 200 Knull > Sig 200 Sersi. A maxed out 7* Knull would obliterate tech champs and more. By the time you actually get to pull Knull from a Titan Crystal, 7* AGs and 7* sig stones will probably be available.

    By the time u'll be able to put 200 sigs in a cosmic champion, u will probably be using champs like Galan, Hulkling, Adam & perhaps a few upcoming releases, & most probably won't care too much about either Knull or Sersi
    Sig stones & awakening gems are one of the top most valuable resource for any new rarity, & will probably continue to remain as such

    Also I don't know at what level most of these voters play the game, but at the top Knull has almost disappeared from all competitive game modes except AW defense
    He is more of a story content type champ now instead of a competitive champ.....very similar to Zemo IMO
    Though Zemo seems to have more defensive value bcoz he is very punishing
  • KnightOfTheRealmKnightOfTheRealm Member Posts: 951 ★★★
    AMS94 said:

    mbrace said:

    Rasilover said:

    Unduped Sersei > Sig 20 Knull

    Sig 200 Knull > Sig 200 Sersi. A maxed out 7* Knull would obliterate tech champs and more. By the time you actually get to pull Knull from a Titan Crystal, 7* AGs and 7* sig stones will probably be available.

    By the time u'll be able to put 200 sigs in a cosmic champion, u will probably be using champs like Galan, Hulkling, Adam & perhaps a few upcoming releases, & most probably won't care too much about either Knull or Sersi
    Sig stones & awakening gems are one of the top most valuable resource for any new rarity, & will probably continue to remain as such

    Also I don't know at what level most of these voters play the game, but at the top Knull has almost disappeared from all competitive game modes except AW defense
    He is more of a story content type champ now instead of a competitive champ.....very similar to Zemo IMO
    Though Zemo seems to have more defensive value bcoz he is very punishing
    Yeah, exactly
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,800 ★★★★
    edited June 2023

    Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

    I know players who have duped 7* champs, so it's not impossible.
    I have seven 7*s and one is duped. That doesn’t make it a common occurrence lol
    Actually it's more common than duping a 6* because, the 7* pool is smaller, so the chances of pulling the same champ twice is higher.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,837 Guardian
    007Bishop said:

    Who cares about something that's going to happen 4 years down the lane lmao. You are so odd telling me to lighten up and not care about what others are voting when i was literally explaining to OP why Knull won over the others and you decided it was a good idea to express your opinion on it. Lets be honest, nobody is going to play the long game, especially not for a mid tier champ like medusa.

    I only know how to play the long game. If I'm not playing the long game, I'm not playing.

    I remember when Medusa was a superstar in one of the Summoner Showdown weeks. You can't of course predict when a champ's unique abilities will pop up and be the answer to some future content, but what you can do is ask whether a champion has strong, unique combinations of abilities. This game does not allow you to just target whatever champ you want whenever you want, and then rank them up whenever you want. You have to either be a mega whale that just has everything, or you have to think strategically, in the long term, when managing your roster. I am not a mega whale and I am not in a top tier alliance, so long term strategy is my primary roster management tool.

    Personally, I'd be fine with Knull because I like him and I think he has a lot of unique utility. But I would also be perfectly fine with Medusa, because she also has a lot of unique utility. Not only would I be fine pulling her as a 7* champ, if I am being honest I am also fine with lots of people thinking she's a squib. You don't gain competitive advantages in this game by doing what everyone else is doing. You get them by doing things most players don't do and then leveraging them in the right place at the right time.

    Most people don't play like me, but some do. We are certainly not the majority, but we aren't an insignificant minority either. It is just that most of us don't publicly defend our roster choices, because that would be counterproductive, so most of us are invisible.
  • TheWatcher_TheWatcher_ Member Posts: 153
    The point is that Sersi should have won period. Not some champ that needs to be awakened. It will take you a while to get that Knull awakened. The clearer option should have been a champ that does not need it.
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,800 ★★★★

    The point is that Sersi should have won period.

    So why didn't she win? 🤔
  • Darkraw346Darkraw346 Member Posts: 2,481 ★★★★★
    He's the coolest
  • pikapika Member Posts: 74
    Pretty sure many are glad they don't have to face 7* Sersi, QS for a very long time in AW/BG's.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,492 ★★★★

    The point is that Sersi should have won period. Not some champ that needs to be awakened. It will take you a while to get that Knull awakened. The clearer option should have been a champ that does not need it.

    Sersi should not have won period. If the vote was for "Who is the best unduped champion?", then maybe Sersi should have won period (but even then, there will be naysayers). But the vote was for "Which Cosmic champion should be in the Titan pool?"

    Everyone has different criteria for why they vote the way that they do. Some may vote for what character they like better, others may vote for who they think the better champion is (and obviously that is subjective), and others vote based on some notion of keeping the 'good champions' out of the top 1% of players so they don't have to face them in BGs.
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