What was the thinking behind voting Knull?

Why not vote sersi who’s the only champ in the poll that doesn’t need dupe or sigs.

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Not sure why you keep insisting people should be happy with an unduped medusa because she's fun. She's not lmao. She takes ages to finish the fight unduped and even then nobody would really use her much over other cosmics. Sure, you or a couple other medusa lovers might use her but overall she is useless to most players, especially unduped. You can agree with it or disagree, doesn't bother me. I'm done with this convo

ItsClobberinTime

You can definitely counter him that way I just don't find that method 100% reliable because sometimes (rarely happens but it does happen) he'll throw sp1 even if you're holding block, AI can be weird.
Also, armor breaks won't heal you if they're running despair (mine's maxed).

I agree that both can be countered and they're not that strong on defense anymore but I do think Knull's abilities are harder to play around than KG's (unless you have a counter which won't always be the case in BGs).

I disagree. Degen bleed poison resistance, remove armor buffs and apply armor break, remove regen effects and replace them with degen (if you have despair doesn't matter if they're not corrupted they still won't heal), lowers combat power rate while corruption is active, and true accuracy which means no evade. Also, to add to the fact that he has higher damage he's also definitely a bit faster to ramp up than KG.
I agree that both are made for different content but I definitely feel like Knull is superior and capable of covering more content than KG in general. I haven't hit Paragon yet but I haven't used KG a single time since I finished Act 5, I've been TB for about two months now.

BitterSteel

Because you’re wildly fixated on unduped or duped. This isn’t a vote for the next few months when people don’t have many 7*s. This is a vote for the next 4 years, where there is 0 guarantee any other champion will be added as a 7*.

I honestly don’t care about your opinion on Medusa, it doesn’t phase me either way, but the idea that voting for a champion is a bad idea because they’re bad until they’re duped is so odd. Just let people vote for who they enjoy without judgement dude, lighten up a little.

AverageDesi

Nahhh

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GinjabredMonsta

The fact KG didn’t win is a travesty. You’re all on my list

007Bishop

Who cares about something that's going to happen 4 years down the lane lmao. You are so odd telling me to lighten up and not care about what others are voting when i was literally explaining to OP why Knull won over the others and you decided it was a good idea to express your opinion on it. Lets be honest, nobody is going to play the long game, especially not for a mid tier champ like medusa. And at the end of the day, Knull still won so it doesn't matter whether people believe medusa or KG should have won. Knull is still objectively the better champ than Medusa and will always be lol. He just does way more than she does and is easily a top 10 cosmic while Medusa would be lucky to be considered top 15

007Bishop

Good for you ig? Medusa still sucks compared to Knull tho so say what you want

BitterSteel

That’s not what I said, like, any of it

The reason I’m saying 4 years is not that it’ll take 4 years to dupe a champion. Some people will dupe Medusa the first 2 crystals they open after she’s added, that’s almost à mathematical certainty.

The reason I said 4 years is because that’s a guess on the life of a rarity, it’s to show that we may not get any of the other champs for a long time. So it’s not just about voting for the “best unduped champion”. Because if she were voted, people are *going* to be duping Medusa’s in 6 months time, they are going to be duping her in 2 years time, they are going to be duping her in 6 years time. The vote is not just for the next few months

The conversation started because you said Knull was leagues above everyone else. I disagree with that, I can see value in champions outside of that. And my argument is basically that some people don’t just vote on whether a champion is good, some may vote a champ because they are explicitly not the best, as a 7* gets extra stats compared to a 6*, or they’re their favourite champion.

Essentially, you can make an argument for absolutely any champion on any of the lists in terms of quality, how much you like them, or any other measure.

After that you just kept up bringing up unduped as a reason that nobody should vote the others, so that’s why the conversation carried on, because in my opinion that’s an odd thing to fixate on, considering we are *going* to be duping these champions.

If you want to vote Knull because he’s the best unduped, that’s absolutely fine. It’s a fine reason for you to vote that way. But it’s not a reason that nobody else could possibly think the other options are good champs as 7*s just because they need the dupe.

GroundedWisdom

I'm not sure what F2P has anything to do with.

mbrace

Sig 200 Knull > Sig 200 Sersi. A maxed out 7* Knull would obliterate tech champs and more. By the time you actually get to pull Knull from a Titan Crystal, 7* AGs and 7* sig stones will probably be available.

AMS94

By the time u'll be able to put 200 sigs in a cosmic champion, u will probably be using champs like Galan, Hulkling, Adam & perhaps a few upcoming releases, & most probably won't care too much about either Knull or Sersi
Sig stones & awakening gems are one of the top most valuable resource for any new rarity, & will probably continue to remain as such

Also I don't know at what level most of these voters play the game, but at the top Knull has almost disappeared from all competitive game modes except AW defense
He is more of a story content type champ now instead of a competitive champ.....very similar to Zemo IMO
Though Zemo seems to have more defensive value bcoz he is very punishing

KnightOfTheRealm

Yeah, exactly

Sw0rdMaster

Actually it's more common than duping a 6* because, the 7* pool is smaller, so the chances of pulling the same champ twice is higher.

DNA3000

I only know how to play the long game. If I'm not playing the long game, I'm not playing.

I remember when Medusa was a superstar in one of the Summoner Showdown weeks. You can't of course predict when a champ's unique abilities will pop up and be the answer to some future content, but what you can do is ask whether a champion has strong, unique combinations of abilities. This game does not allow you to just target whatever champ you want whenever you want, and then rank them up whenever you want. You have to either be a mega whale that just has everything, or you have to think strategically, in the long term, when managing your roster. I am not a mega whale and I am not in a top tier alliance, so long term strategy is my primary roster management tool.

Personally, I'd be fine with Knull because I like him and I think he has a lot of unique utility. But I would also be perfectly fine with Medusa, because she also has a lot of unique utility. Not only would I be fine pulling her as a 7* champ, if I am being honest I am also fine with lots of people thinking she's a squib. You don't gain competitive advantages in this game by doing what everyone else is doing. You get them by doing things most players don't do and then leveraging them in the right place at the right time.

Most people don't play like me, but some do. We are certainly not the majority, but we aren't an insignificant minority either. It is just that most of us don't publicly defend our roster choices, because that would be counterproductive, so most of us are invisible.

TheWatcher_

The point is that Sersi should have won period. Not some champ that needs to be awakened. It will take you a while to get that Knull awakened. The clearer option should have been a champ that does not need it.

Sw0rdMaster

So why didn't she win? 🤔

Darkraw346

He's the coolest

pika

Pretty sure many are glad they don't have to face 7* Sersi, QS for a very long time in AW/BG's.

altavista

Sersi should not have won period. If the vote was for "Who is the best unduped champion?", then maybe Sersi should have won period (but even then, there will be naysayers). But the vote was for "Which Cosmic champion should be in the Titan pool?"

Everyone has different criteria for why they vote the way that they do. Some may vote for what character they like better, others may vote for who they think the better champion is (and obviously that is subjective), and others vote based on some notion of keeping the 'good champions' out of the top 1% of players so they don't have to face them in BGs.

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