Continuous monitoring of arena is needed!

Looking at the arena that just ended. There are 33 with no alliance tag (13 in featured, 20 in basic) in the top 200 of the leaderboard. That’s over 16% of the top scorers and seems abruptly high for the game. Since we don’t have the full leaderboard, no idea what top 400 looks like.

Even with alliance tag, it may mean nothing too. Top score in the basic leaderboard, 1.18 mil pvp and 3500+ Highest win streak. That seems to be humanly impossible number to do. Number two is not that great either. 789k pvp and 2900+ highest win streak. The ban wave doesn’t seem to work that well.

Going forward. Any boting or modding should be permanent ban. I hope we will see another ban wave sooner than later. Hope Kabam won’t wait more than 1.5 years to do this again and let the problem getting out of control like last time.

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HungaryHippo

But then people wouldn't have to buy units to refresh for the arena!

Chanfs

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.

Odachi

When they create an algorithm to detect bots the next update to the bot software is to avoid that algorithm so it's constant battle. However, we were told they specifically hired someone to counter modders and we aren't really seeing an impact - some would even argue it's worse.

DL864

Bots and modders will always be in game but if you actually permanent ban less people will likely engage in this behavior. It's like that old saying ( that'll keep an honest man out). When it's not easy and the consequences are harsher people tend to be honest.

pseudosane

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.

Drago_von_Drago

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.

Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

Pikolu

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.

Keep in mind ban waves happen after an arena ends. Just because someone finished on top, doesn't mean they're not going to get banned very soon.

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

Due to player privacy concerns (or something like that) we can't give specific names of players that do get banned, but the data has shown that arena cutoffs have lowered dramatically since they started doing bans.

Zuko_ILC

The botters just set a lower target. Nothing changes. Perma bans are needed.

DNA3000

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

startropics

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.

The guy who got top 25 in both arenas has 2.7 million pvps and he's in the leaderboards every week. How is this mathematically possible?!

startropics

2,696,197 fights divided by 3121 days is 863 rounds every day for eight and a half years. How is this possible?

When did arenas even launch?

Could a player even do this given how small rosters were? You will run out of champs quick before you get anywhere close to 800 fights a day.

What about refresh timers?

Dna, how is this possible?

DNA3000

2,696,197 fights divided by 3121 days is 863 rounds every day for eight and a half years. How is this possible?

When did arenas even launch?

Could a player even do this given how small rosters were? You will run out of champs quick before you get anywhere close to 800 fights a day.

What about refresh timers?

Dna, how is this possible?

Keep in mind, bots can only do the possible. If it was mathematically impossible, a bot couldn't do it either.

2696197 divided by 3121 is 863 fights per day, not rounds (actually, about 864). That's 288 arena rounds per day. That is mathematically possible, even for a human. If we factor in growing rosters, it is still possible although to make up for earlier years you'd probably have to be doing over 500 rounds a day now. That's possible for a human over a short stint, but I do not believe a human being could sustain that level of performance for long enough to rack up 2.7 million arena fights.

Not mathematically impossible, not even technically human being impossible, but not credible.

laserjohn26

2,696,197 fights divided by 3121 days is 863 rounds every day for eight and a half years. How is this possible?

When did arenas even launch?

Could a player even do this given how small rosters were? You will run out of champs quick before you get anywhere close to 800 fights a day.

What about refresh timers?

Dna, how is this possible?
Keep in mind, bots can only do the possible. If it was mathematically impossible, a bot couldn't do it either.

2696197 divided by 3121 is 863 fights per day, not rounds (actually, about 864). That's 288 arena rounds per day. That is mathematically possible, even for a human. If we factor in growing rosters, it is still possible although to make up for earlier years you'd probably have to be doing over 500 rounds a day now. That's possible for a human over a short stint, but I do not believe a human being could sustain that level of performance for long enough to rack up 2.7 million arena fights.

Not mathematically impossible, not even technically human being impossible, but not credible.

Remember that code dagoth wasn't actually doing the fights with bots. He just sent information to the server saying he completed arena rounds.

Drago_von_Drago

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

We have different thresholds for “really good.”

Banning cheaters and redistributing rewards is certainly on the right track but if it’s only a 7-day ban and they only lose the 6* and not all the gold and units along with it then they’re only reducing the incentive, not disincentivizing cheating.

pseudosane

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

We have different thresholds for “really good.”

Banning cheaters and redistributing rewards is certainly on the right track but if it’s only a 7-day ban and they only lose the 6* and not all the gold and units along with it then they’re only reducing the incentive, not disincentivizing cheating.

It is 7 day bans for a first offense. The next ban will be permanent.
Plenty of the arena bans we saw were permanent

phillgreen

2261 win streak?

DL864

2261 win streak?

The one guy is 3574 win streak. I was just checking randomly and it seems that profile has been online consistently. I think that should be a dead giveaway if the profile never logs out.

LordSmasher

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

We have different thresholds for “really good.”

Banning cheaters and redistributing rewards is certainly on the right track but if it’s only a 7-day ban and they only lose the 6* and not all the gold and units along with it then they’re only reducing the incentive, not disincentivizing cheating.
It is 7 day bans for a first offense. The next ban will be permanent.
Plenty of the arena bans we saw were permanent

Issue is those that were banned 7 days have been top of the leaderboards for a long time. Its inconceivable that it was the first time they were cheating. It was just the first time Kabam considered them "caught cheating".

pseudosane

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

We have different thresholds for “really good.”

Banning cheaters and redistributing rewards is certainly on the right track but if it’s only a 7-day ban and they only lose the 6* and not all the gold and units along with it then they’re only reducing the incentive, not disincentivizing cheating.
It is 7 day bans for a first offense. The next ban will be permanent.
Plenty of the arena bans we saw were permanent
Issue is those that were banned 7 days have been top of the leaderboards for a long time. Its inconceivable that it was the first time they were cheating. It was just the first time Kabam considered them "caught cheating".

which is true, agreed. But if they wanna go ahead and cheat again, they are risking perma bans.

Elthan

288 rounds per day, with an average of 2,5 min per round is equal to 720 min or 12 hours.

Imagine doing that 12 hours a day for the past 9 years (if started in 2014).

Drago_von_Drago

288 rounds per day, with an average of 2,5 min per round is equal to 720 min or 12 hours.

Imagine doing that 12 hours a day for the past 9 years (if started in 2014).

And that’s just time spent playing arena. To actually do anything else in game is additional time…

MagicBenton

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.
The guy who got top 25 in both arenas has 2.7 million pvps and he's in the leaderboards every week. How is this mathematically possible?!

He's done another 1500+ fights since your post yesterday and still online going strong.

startropics

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.
The guy who got top 25 in both arenas has 2.7 million pvps and he's in the leaderboards every week. How is this mathematically possible?!

He's done another 1500+ fights since your post yesterday and still online going strong.

DNA3000

Kabam is tirelessly working on banning modders. They are improving everything. They are actually doing really good to give cheaters a pause.
Can you expand on this and give examples and/or metrics that show they are “doing really good”?

We have different thresholds for “really good.”

Banning cheaters and redistributing rewards is certainly on the right track but if it’s only a 7-day ban and they only lose the 6* and not all the gold and units along with it then they’re only reducing the incentive, not disincentivizing cheating.

They can always do better, and in fact I'm always specifically recommending ways for them to do better, but for me to get that compensation they had to ban over 268 people from the top of the leaderboards. That's a non-trivial amount of banning activity, and it means at least 267 other players also benefited from that activity besides me, and while some of the bans were unfortunately temporary a lot of them were permanent bans.

I agree with regard to revoking gold and units. It is something I specifically asked Kabam to look into including in their arena fair play process.

Chanfs

Keep in mind ban waves happen after an arena ends. Just because someone finished on top, doesn't mean they're not going to get banned very soon.

I saw that same account in last few arens, not just last one. However, he just changed his name. Still online as i just checked. I wouldn’t surprise it will be on leaderboard again. Disgusting to think how it screw honest players to get the prize they deserve.

startropics

Just how effective the ban wave! No 1 in featured and no 3 in basic is the same account. In addition, no 6 and 7 in featured are highly likely to be modder.
The guy who got top 25 in both arenas has 2.7 million pvps and he's in the leaderboards every week. How is this mathematically possible?!

He's done another 1500+ fights since your post yesterday and still online going strong.

little fella keeps chugging along. he's done another 2272 fights in the last 22hrs

startropics

2272 fights x 25 seconds/fight with sigil (being generous, it might be higher)

56,800 seconds

946 minutes or 15.7 hours of straight fighting in 22hrs

If each fight takes 30 seconds it's 18.9hrs of straight grinding

no eating
poop bucket?
barely sleeping
busted thumbs

someone call the united nations because somewhere in the world a prison warden is clearly running a torture camp

horrendous_too

2272 fights x 25 seconds/fight with sigil (being generous, it might be higher)

56,800 seconds

946 minutes or 15.7 hours of straight fighting in 22hrs

If each fight takes 30 seconds it's 18.9hrs of straight grinding

no eating
poop bucket?
barely sleeping
busted thumbs

someone call the united nations because somewhere in the world a prison warden is clearly running a torture camp

I really hope that the accounts that were banned for botting are actually under a microscope. Since this kind of brazen cheating just really dampens my enthusiasm for any modes involving competition with them.

startropics

2472 fights since yesterday! 20.5hrs straight grinding!

HungaryHippo

This is why you play the game at your own pace. Chasing the top is a Sisyphean endeavor. Lots of cheaters at the top of the game and Kabam even flags them as ban in the recent leaks.

Will they actually ban them? Maybe when their cash dries up