People tanking in battlegrounds

auburnpeas

Just fought a guy in battlegrounds who's whole team was all 2*'s. I guess it's not technically cheating because he's not gaining an advantage. I just find it annoying. I want to win, but this just is wrong in the spirit of competition. I guess kabam can't really tell you who you use in battlegrounds. I'm just in here to express my displeasure with this tactic.

doctorb

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

Pikolu

doctorb said:

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

Get free points for losing and then use a strong team to win for free points. This is a preferred method for getting points amongst many because people don't want to fight other paragons in GC for those 400k points.

auburnpeas

I'm guessing it's a way to express their displeasure with kabam as far as not liking battlegrounds and/or the way it works.

Furrymoosen

doctorb said:

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

This approach has one of two options. One, it’s just players that go into the game to collect the 48h objectives and call it a day. Two, it’s players tanking games to farm points before moving to the Gladiator’s Circuit. They tank games with energy to get them more favorable matchups with their elders marks.

auburnpeas

Pikolu said:

doctorb said:

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

Get free points for losing and then use a strong team to win for free points. This is a preferred method for getting points amongst many because people don't want to fight other paragons in GC for those 400k points.

Makes sense.

Go_To

auburnpeas said:

I'm guessing it's a way to express their displeasure with kabam as far as not liking battlegrounds and/or the way it works.

Nope not at all. They’re doing it to stay in the lower ranks in the VT to get easier matchups and thus more points.

auburnpeas

Go_To said:

auburnpeas said:

I'm guessing it's a way to express their displeasure with kabam as far as not liking battlegrounds and/or the way it works.

Nope not at all. They’re doing it to stay in the lower ranks in the VT to get easier matchups and thus more points.

Yeah I get that now. Not the best sportsmanship, but I guess "to each his own".

Lovejoy72

Currently, I’m using all 4*s just to tank at the lowest possible levels. I’m not a BGs player at all. But I have to put up points for the ally. Eventually I’ll make a serious run, but for now I just get the small points for participation, while giving away wins.

Why 4*s though? Cause my actual roster might get some folks to just quit. And it makes the fights go way faster on their end. And it’s not as insulting as 2*s.

zuffy

Why am I not getting lucky with these ppl tanking? 🤣

BeastDad

Wish I could come across one

ItsClobberinTime

Well, it's messed up for any Conqueror, UC or Cav account that makes it to plat 1 but at the same time, what else can they expect everyone's trying to get to 400k. If anything it's on Kabam for setting the bar too high.

AverageDesi

Pikolu said:

doctorb said:

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

Get free points for losing and then use a strong team to win for free points. This is a preferred method for getting points amongst many because people don't want to fight other paragons in GC for those 400k points.

But why? The point you get for completing a match is pitiful. It's much better to just forfeit

Pikolu

AverageDesi said:

Pikolu said:

doctorb said:

Why r ppl doing this (using weak teams)???

Get free points for losing and then use a strong team to win for free points. This is a preferred method for getting points amongst many because people don't want to fight other paragons in GC for those 400k points.

But why? The point you get for completing a match is pitiful. It's much better to just forfeit

Definitely won't argue that it is much better to forfeit, I'm just explaining what that specific person is doing.

Another reason they might do that is so the opponent doesn't instantly forfeit before they do because that could push them up a tier

TheCaptain412

From the perspective of someone who did this last season (my team was only 2*):

I’m not a fan of the BG format for a myriad of reasons, but for the tokens I can get every two days, I’ll spend 45 energy and give my opponents an easy win while contributing a minimal amount of points to my alliance’s total. This lets me buy 6* sig stones, which is all I really care about getting out of the format.

Why would you care if your opponent hands you a free win? Take it and move on, and be thankful you ran into someone who doesn’t take this format nearly as seriously as you do.

GroundedWisdom

For one thing, it's not what the competition is about. For another, it affects the entire progression system. We don't play in a closed system. Hanging out for easier Wins is affecting everything else.
Don't get me wrong. I use my share of the Forfeit. There's a difference between knowing you're beaten, and trying to milk the system.

LordSmasher

The rewards system incentivises this behaviour. For those looking at 400k they can either
* Tough it out with the big fish
* Let the minnows chew on em and take the occasional bite

The second option is easier. Ideally event points would be awared when you move up tiers but that stops the revenue from Elder's Marks.

Colinwhitworth69

Take the W and move on. The game has bigger issues.

Coppin

They are winning matches they shouldn't at Plat.. that's so wrong... Oh wait how did they get to Plat in the first place? 🤔

GroundedWisdom

LordSmasher said:

The rewards system incentivises this behaviour. For those looking at 400k they can either
* Tough it out with the big fish
* Let the minnows chew on em and take the occasional bite

The second option is easier. Ideally event points would be awared when you move up tiers but that stops the revenue from Elder's Marks.

That's going to stop next Season either way. The seeding system is being implemented.
It's worth noting that the system doesn't incentivize anything but spending Elder's Marks, and earning more Points for a win. People come up with their own methods of manipulation.

GroundedWisdom

It's also funny how people wouldn't bother doing it in the GC. Only in the VT, when they know there are weaker Players and no Rank Rewards.

LordSmasher

GroundedWisdom said:

It's also funny how people wouldn't bother doing it in the GC. Only in the VT, when they know there are weaker Players and no Rank Rewards.

Yes, because players are trying to optimise their points. In order to do that they need to get wins with Elder Marks then take losses with energy.
Platimum is the optimal location to do it as the match making is open season there, guaranting lopsided match ups.

Any system that incetivises tanking is flawed.

Mackey

GroundedWisdom said:

It's also funny how people wouldn't bother doing it in the GC. Only in the VT, when they know there are weaker Players and no Rank Rewards.

I don't blame them tbh, elder marks are purchased for the most part, you need to use elder marks to get the points required for this month, meaning those who didn't have any marks or very little marks has to spend units/money on them to get the most of this 1 off month of BGs. If they did it normally, as in progressing at their abilities then they would lose a lot of elder marks from.their losses, staying in VT to.maximise their points saves on said marks for another month. Its not like we have an endless supply of them so I can fully understand why people are doing it, I'm not doing it but for those who don't usually play the mode or play it very casually, I understand

Rap

That is like saying, "I fully understand why people are using 3rd party software." Cheating is cheating and there is way too much of it all across this game.

MrSakuragi

Rap said:

That is like saying, "I fully understand why people are using 3rd party software." Cheating is cheating and there is way too much of it all across this game.

This is not cheating.

Mackey

Rap said:

That is like saying, "I fully understand why people are using 3rd party software." Cheating is cheating and there is way too much of it all across this game.

I don't understand why people use 3rd party software to modify the game in itself.... but that is not even comparable to what I said. Comparing apples to.oranges there mate

auburnpeas

GroundedWisdom said:

LordSmasher said:

The rewards system incentivises this behaviour. For those looking at 400k they can either
* Tough it out with the big fish
* Let the minnows chew on em and take the occasional bite

The second option is easier. Ideally event points would be awared when you move up tiers but that stops the revenue from Elder's Marks.

That's going to stop next Season either way. The seeding system is being implemented.
It's worth noting that the system doesn't incentivize anything but spending Elder's Marks, and earning more Points for a win. People come up with their own methods of manipulation.

I'm happy to hear this news.

Ayden_noah1

This is not cheating at all. It seems that some summoner find it morally wrong while others find no problem with it. I don't find anything wrong with it myself since the BG system rewards are based on points and you get more points for winning. If you can find a work around to get more points for a system that provides a huge incentive for winning why and it's not against TOS why would you. "Work smarter and not harder" is a great saying and it applies to this situation perfectly. Not everyone is going to agree with me on this one but in life not everyone is going to agree with me everything (regilion, taste, likes, dislike, rules...etc.). That's the nature of having the ability to have difference opinions and belief. I haven't been lucky enough to get easy win like this yet, but I would be happy to get them and get my points. If you don't like it, then advance to GC, it should be easy with easy victories like this one.

TyEdge

This is where Kabam dropped the ball on those added rewards. It was a thoughtful idea (given the lack of war) with unintended consequences.

I think it’d be better if there was a bonus for the solo event for reaching gladiator circuit. It would expedite progression and maybe reduce tanking like this.

auburnpeas

Ayden_noah1 said:

This is not cheating at all. It seems that some summoner find it morally wrong while others find no problem with it. I don't find anything wrong with it myself since the BG system rewards are based on points and you get more points for winning. If you can find a work around to get more points for a system that provides a huge incentive for winning why and it's not against TOS why would you. "Work smarter and not harder" is a great saying and it applies to this situation perfectly. Not everyone is going to agree with me on this one but in life not everyone is going to agree with me everything (regilion, taste, likes, dislike, rules...etc.). That's the nature of having the ability to have difference opinions and belief. I haven't been lucky enough to get easy win like this yet, but I would be happy to get them and get my points. If you don't like it, then advance to GC, it should be easy with easy victories like this one.

I'd have to agree with you to a certain extent. Everybody has to choose what bothers their conscience, and in the big picture it is just a game, but in my experience I my life I've found that people ive met who take shortcuts in a game tend to be more likely to do the same in real life. Again I am not saying you do that since I have never met you personally. I respect your opinion and you have a right to it. Also I do understand how unfair games like this can be at times, and if someone feels they need an edge and it's not against the tos then they have a right to do it.