If you expect me to take that passive-aggressive bait, you're wrong. I have respect for everyone here. The quality of the comments they make however, is up for scrutiny. If you can't make your points without making it personal, then you don't have valid points in my opinion.
If you expect me to take that passive-aggressive bait, you're wrong. I have respect for everyone here. The quality of the comments they make however, is up for scrutiny. If you can't make your points without making it personal, then you don't have valid points in my opinion.
That wasn't directed at you. You can feel free to think it was but it was directed at someone else in this thread. I know you can't make it out of Uru and don't think your deck is massively overpowered.
When people jump in here and say "it's a resource management problem", that's how I take those responses too
Dude am i trippin? Or is it always the same people that goes after people with bad takes or not even just bad takes, just any negativity or critisicms towards kabam?
You’re not tripping.
I said I don’t believe any of the economy devs are paragon level players and it’s like an alarm went off lol.
Because it’s just false, so some are trying to correct you.
As for the gold issue, it’s noticed and it’s being discussed. I can assure you the more feedback the better. But it’s just incredibly unhelpful to complain that Kabam don’t play their game, or no paragon players are in the team that matters. Because it’s not true lol, and just paints you as a complainer rather than someone who is giving meaningful feedback.
You’re being rather defensive here. It was an offhand comment about the topic. I don’t get why it’s such a sore spot for you. Or only certain users are allowed to deflect their off hand comments with “it’s just humor?”
I am obviously not a CCP member (some ex members have made it clear how much that’s worth) so I wouldn’t know but I would not give the same ISO and gold for a 4* as a 5 and 6* if I was managing this game as a Paragon player. Why would you scale gold with everything else but not champ rarity?
Of the two of us, which of us has been consistently sarcastic, unhelpful, and rude? And of the two of us, which do you think seems to be more personally attached to this? I’m gonna go ahead and guess the person resorting to insults and general rudeness.
If you meant it as a joke or an off hand comment, then I find it odd that you doubled and tripled down to defend your “joke” when called out on it. Seems awfully close to being proven wrong and then falling back on “I was joking”.
But assuming it was, then fair, but I saw something that wasn’t true and I think all too often people fall back on “kabam don’t play their game” as an easy attempt at an agree farm. And others who may not know that you were joking, and don’t know if kabam do or don’t play their game could be persuaded that they don’t, and then we have a circle of people believing false things - which leads to bad conversation and unhelpful posts.
Kabam do make mistakes, and it’s worth calling out things that are wrong with the game. I do it myself. But it’s an unhelpful comment to say they don’t play their own game to X level, because 1) it’s not true, and 2) surely you can think of better ways to give feedback
1) Why is it your obligation to defend them? 2) Please ask Kabam how it’s logical to have 4, 5, and 6* give the same materials for a dupe. There have been numerous threads on this subject on this forum.
No obligation, not defending. If you say something untrue is it defending to correct you? If I hated Kabam with my every thought, but corrected you where you were wrong that makes me some sort of Kabam stooge? That sounds like a terrible way to try and have any sort of discussion.
Seems more like to me, you can’t think of a different way to refute the points I made, and instead are trying to deflect with a poor attempt at an attack on why I’m saying what I’m saying. Instead of the truth, I’m now “defending Kabam”.
As for your second point, ISO and Gold economy is a big talking point at the moment. And trust me, I’m on your side on that one, those points have been made but it’s good to hear more weight for them.
You know what, you don’t deserve the snark that the others do. Fair enough my bad.
MAEX is in the CCP too. Maybe it’s worth asking his opinion? His point about the gold crystals is also valid. 4000 units to get 2.5mil gold is quite rough. Especially with the costs (gold and ISO) that 7* demand.
I appreciate that, I know it’s easy to just throw insults at people on the forums because.. well it’s the forums. But I do think there’s good discussions to be had here
I get the point, and maybe it’s more relevant for others but I’d prefer ways to earn gold over ways to buy it. I also think that’s healthier for the economy as well. Maybe it could be looked at, but to me that’s a bandaid for a larger update that’s needed
I’d like to see incursions update to other rewards making it relevant (because there’s a TON of gold there) which would by extension get you more gold by doing incursions, I’d like to see a bump in arena (my maybe slightly unrealistic wish is to make 5*s useable in the basic 4* arena similar to how we can use 7*s in the basic 5*, at a reduced point rate). Because I’ve stopped ranking 4*s for years at this point. I also do think ISO could be looked at
All good points. And I agree that good discussions can be had here when certain people don't immediately jump in. Unfortunately, I reflexively grouped your responses with theirs (entirely unwarranted as you don't do that in your video responses and elsewhere).
You're absolutely right that people being forced to buy gold crystals actually exposes the issue. It's the same way that buying crystals to sell ISO also exposes the issue. Fundamentally, if I'm able to get the champs and the catalysts, I should have the gold to rank them unless it's being wasted on 4* champs which, at least in my case, isn't true. I'll look forward to some update to this then.
@GroundedWisdom That response was not directed at you, it was directed at someone who quoted and proceeded to mock me.
It's unlikely any of the Kabam staff (ones that actually make a difference) have Paragon accounts.
this is unfortunately false. one of the champion designers is also a Youtuber, DaddyLongLegs and is my planning officer at SSX
Oh, right, DLL is the one who makes game economy decisions. At least think a little before you respond.
This is called moving the goalposts and making unnecessary assumptions. Many Devs have paragon accounts but don't let people know because they enjoy being treated like a fellow player in their alliances and not treated as a dev.
Awww it’s cute you came to defend your friend. Look at the original post and read the comments. That might help you out. Hint: we aren’t talking about champs.
There are people on the economy team who have paragon accounts.
The SSX defenders are sure out in force today. Well my apologies. Since you guys happen to have all the access in the world, can you let your buddies know that many of us non-masters alliance plebs have no gold or r3 rank up materials?
Thanks.
I am sharing the knowledge to correct your incorrect statement. No need to be angry.
But yeah, if that’s serious feedback and not sarcastic like the rest of your message I can share the feedback. Let me know
When even whales like MAEX are out of gold,
He's not even near our of gold. Sitting on thousands upon thousands gold crystals, shard crystals for iso and 1.2m BC. He got a minimum of 140M in reserve. He's a hoarder and managing his gold well. That's one poor example for the gold issue.
I am obviously not a CCP member (some ex members have made it clear how much that’s worth) so I wouldn’t know but I would not give the same ISO and gold for a 4* as a 5 and 6* if I was managing this game as a Paragon player. Why would you scale gold with everything else but not champ rarity?
That wouldn't have made any difference. The gold and ISO costs to upgrade champs were set somewhat arbitrarily, based on the relative availability of those materials. Had ISO and gold scaled upward with rarity duplication, the actual costs to rank and level would have also scaled up similarly, and the net result would be more or less the same.
If ISO and Gold costs followed a specific formula, say, then the scaling factor of gold and ISO duplication would matter to some degree. But they don't. The relative availability or constraint on gold and ISO is not a direct function of how much players get from duplication. It is based on how the overall economy balances those costs against economic pacing factors.
As to addressing shortages, the economy designers have increased the flow of gold and ISO into the game several times, most recently ISO started falling from the sky. That's the main reason why I didn't complete my ISO economy analysis series: the fact that they added so much ISO in recent months completely threw that analysis off. However, it is important to remind people that everyone is short of something. Because different players play differently, different players end up with bottlenecks in different places. If you aren't short of gold or ISO or catalysts to rank up and level up champions, you're short actual champions to rank up. The game economy aims for averages, which means if you happen to be one of those people who earns less gold or ISO, proportionately speaking, compared to all other resources compared to the average player, then no matter how the devs adjusts the economy you're still likely going to be experiencing those bottlenecks. They can't change the economy to eliminate gold as a bottleneck for the players that earn the least amount of gold without everyone else having ludicrous abundances of gold. Where ever the economy settles, someone will be above average and someone else will be below average, relative to other resources, and the only way to change that is to radically alter the sources of game materials. But that wouldn't eliminate the bottlenecks, it would just shuffle them around to different players.
The economy designers have looked at this in the past and are looking at it now (I shared all of my ISO analysis with them back when I did that), but it is important to have reasonable expectations. They are unlikely to completely eliminate all gold and ISO bottlenecks. They can reduce them and they can narrow them in certain ways, but bottlenecks will always exist, and there's nothing they are likely to do that will eliminate all the gold and ISO bottlenecks for everyone. Someone is always going to be experiencing that, and there will always be, for all those players, someone at the most extreme end of it.
It's unlikely any of the Kabam staff (ones that actually make a difference) have Paragon accounts.
this is unfortunately false. one of the champion designers is also a Youtuber, DaddyLongLegs and is my planning officer at SSX
Oh, right, DLL is the one who makes game economy decisions. At least think a little before you respond.
This is called moving the goalposts and making unnecessary assumptions. Many Devs have paragon accounts but don't let people know because they enjoy being treated like a fellow player in their alliances and not treated as a dev.
Awww it’s cute you came to defend your friend. Look at the original post and read the comments. That might help you out. Hint: we aren’t talking about champs.
There are people on the economy team who have paragon accounts.
The SSX defenders are sure out in force today. Well my apologies. Since you guys happen to have all the access in the world, can you let your buddies know that many of us non-masters alliance plebs have no gold or r3 rank up materials?
Thanks.
I am sharing the knowledge to correct your incorrect statement. No need to be angry.
But yeah, if that’s serious feedback and not sarcastic like the rest of your message I can share the feedback. Let me know
Angry and sarcastic eh? I’m rather stunned that you don’t know how short people are on ISO, gold, etc or that these game economy devs can’t tell from their analytics (clearly debunked by @pseudosane). When even whales like MAEX are out of gold, something is clearly wrong.
If I’m angry, it’s because there isn’t a useful or serious response to the OP and as usual threads get derailed before they can get of the ground.
Being honest - you’re the one who derailed the thread in the first place. Take a chill pill
No useful response again. Great.
There's literally nothing useful that comes from jumping into a Thread, criticizing everyone who comments, and making personal jabs. If you have something to add then add it. You don't need to be rude about it. You're making claims that people are derailing, but your comments are derailing the Thread in and of themselves.
As for the subject of Gold, it's the most ready Resource in the game. If people "whaled" out for the Offers recently and ran out, that's not a game balance issue. That's the result of Ranking a bunch of Champs.
It's time we other paragon bow down to The paragon relinquish our paragoness to THE paragon lol we can firm the ultimate paragon to rule all paragon there can only be one lol
Any reason why Paragon is receiving Cavalier crystals other than lazy?
Because there's plenty of places to get everything else you're probably wanting and it's not like those objectives are tough.
What exactly are you wanting in them?
I'm wanting that will actually help THE Paragons towards more r4 r5? Or something close to that, getting T-4 shards is just shameful. Plenty of other places? This might be worst take, maybe ever, in history of my KABAM posts.
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I have respect for everyone here. The quality of the comments they make however, is up for scrutiny.
If you can't make your points without making it personal, then you don't have valid points in my opinion.
When people jump in here and say "it's a resource management problem", that's how I take those responses too All good points. And I agree that good discussions can be had here when certain people don't immediately jump in. Unfortunately, I reflexively grouped your responses with theirs (entirely unwarranted as you don't do that in your video responses and elsewhere).
You're absolutely right that people being forced to buy gold crystals actually exposes the issue. It's the same way that buying crystals to sell ISO also exposes the issue. Fundamentally, if I'm able to get the champs and the catalysts, I should have the gold to rank them unless it's being wasted on 4* champs which, at least in my case, isn't true. I'll look forward to some update to this then.
@GroundedWisdom That response was not directed at you, it was directed at someone who quoted and proceeded to mock me.
He got a minimum of 140M in reserve. He's a hoarder and managing his gold well.
That's one poor example for the gold issue.
If ISO and Gold costs followed a specific formula, say, then the scaling factor of gold and ISO duplication would matter to some degree. But they don't. The relative availability or constraint on gold and ISO is not a direct function of how much players get from duplication. It is based on how the overall economy balances those costs against economic pacing factors.
As to addressing shortages, the economy designers have increased the flow of gold and ISO into the game several times, most recently ISO started falling from the sky. That's the main reason why I didn't complete my ISO economy analysis series: the fact that they added so much ISO in recent months completely threw that analysis off. However, it is important to remind people that everyone is short of something. Because different players play differently, different players end up with bottlenecks in different places. If you aren't short of gold or ISO or catalysts to rank up and level up champions, you're short actual champions to rank up. The game economy aims for averages, which means if you happen to be one of those people who earns less gold or ISO, proportionately speaking, compared to all other resources compared to the average player, then no matter how the devs adjusts the economy you're still likely going to be experiencing those bottlenecks. They can't change the economy to eliminate gold as a bottleneck for the players that earn the least amount of gold without everyone else having ludicrous abundances of gold. Where ever the economy settles, someone will be above average and someone else will be below average, relative to other resources, and the only way to change that is to radically alter the sources of game materials. But that wouldn't eliminate the bottlenecks, it would just shuffle them around to different players.
The economy designers have looked at this in the past and are looking at it now (I shared all of my ISO analysis with them back when I did that), but it is important to have reasonable expectations. They are unlikely to completely eliminate all gold and ISO bottlenecks. They can reduce them and they can narrow them in certain ways, but bottlenecks will always exist, and there's nothing they are likely to do that will eliminate all the gold and ISO bottlenecks for everyone. Someone is always going to be experiencing that, and there will always be, for all those players, someone at the most extreme end of it.
Plenty of other places? This might be worst take, maybe ever, in history of my KABAM posts.