I can’t even be mad (battlegrounds matchmaking)

I recently got cavalier and I just matched against a legend with r4 and r5 6stars like what am I supposed to do 😭😭

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You should be grateful you even got to Diamond 2 as a cav considering matchmaking matches you against everyone once you get to plat.

SkyLord7000

I faced harder accounts in bronze

XFREEDOMX

I recently got cavalier and I just matched against a legend with r4 and r5 6stars like what am I supposed to do 😭😭

Lots of paragon players are struggling in Gold!

A_Fungi

I recently got cavalier and I just matched against a legend with r4 and r5 6stars like what am I supposed to do 😭😭
Lots of paragon players are struggling in Gold!

This guy.. right here

Ruwqiersa

You should be grateful you even got to Diamond 2 as a cav considering matchmaking matches you against everyone once you get to plat.

Do you have connection to kabam pikolu

Ruwqiersa

You should be grateful you even got to Diamond 2 as a cav considering matchmaking matches you against everyone once you get to plat.
Do you have connection to kabam pikolu

Nvm he is a guardian

GoingBack

Thank you for pointing out how broken the system still is by you getting to Diamond as a new cav player.

Pr0t0t7p3

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.

A_Fungi

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.

Because we are all fighting each other

ahmynuts

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.

What fungi said and the fact that a good majority only play the mode for 3 fights every 2 days

Hemendra_

I see🗿🗿, well i seen the leadboard, in Arcane l ,some hackers, cavalier,conquer even proven are chilling there.

Chuck_Finley

On top of everything else, cavalier accounts multiple milestones of me (paragon) complaining about accounts I have been dealing with for 3 weeks is just salt in the wound for this completely stupid matchmaking system.

GroundedWisdom

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.
Because we are all fighting each other

So your solution to the OP's issue is to let them meet these Matches in Bronze? How does that work?

A_Fungi

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.
Because we are all fighting each other
So your solution to the OP's issue is to let them meet these Matches in Bronze? How does that work?

I 100% believe that all accounts eligible to play BGs should be in one pool from the very beginning.

JustWantTheRewards

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.
Because we are all fighting each other
So your solution to the OP's issue is to let them meet these Matches in Bronze? How does that work?
I 100% believe that all accounts eligible to play BGs should be in one pool from the very beginning.

Why though?

GroundedWisdom

Why are all these legends and paragons and such so prevalent in silver and gold tiers? Figured they’d all by Gladiator track by now. Hmmmm.
Because we are all fighting each other
So your solution to the OP's issue is to let them meet these Matches in Bronze? How does that work?
I 100% believe that all accounts eligible to play BGs should be in one pool from the very beginning.

So make it a game of pin ball at the expense of anyone mid to lower. How long do you expect them to keep playing like that?

A_Fungi

Because we are all competing for the same things.

If the lower accounts want access to the same level of rewards (which they have), then they should have to compete against anyone else for those rewards

If they don't want to face those bigger accounts, then they should expect a lower tier of rewards

It's not fun fighting baby accounts up in P2, it's also not fun getting stomped on by whale accounts

but they get the same rewards for moving through the ranks and are in the same pool for the season rewards as paragons, why wouldn't they have to face the full competition?

Ruwqiersa

Because we are all competing for the same things.

If the lower accounts want access to the same level of rewards (which they have), then they should have to compete against anyone else for those rewards

If they don't want to face those bigger accounts, then they should expect a lower tier of rewards

It's not fun fighting baby accounts up in P2, it's also not fun getting stomped on by whale accounts

but they get the same rewards for moving through the ranks and are in the same pool for the season rewards as paragons, why wouldn't they have to face the full competition?

They dont actually get the same rewards btw. Stuff is more expensive for lower progression titles

GroundedWisdom

They face the full competition. They just have some mitigation at the beginning. Which I actually vouched for. You can't have a range of Players in one game mode and expect them to be used as fuel in the first Tier. It doesn't work on either side. No one wants to play a game mode where their progress is frozen at the gate. That is the same no matter where your Account is. So the solution has to be somewhere in the middle.
I don't take issue with the OP's concern, but I also understand that it's necessary to drop off into the deep end at some point. Plat and up is that deep end. My issue is actually the overkill on a system that was already getting better, the Medals, the extra Tiers, etc.
The bottom line is, they're in the competition. You can't say they should get bashed about at the door just because they're among Paragons, and still expect them to keep playing. You also can't expect the game mode and matchmaking mechanics to continue to be as smooth as they are without the numbers.
Nor should you want to. No one's gaming experience is more important than anyone else's. Everyone will hit their plateau, obviously. Not getting anywhere at all is just plain garbage. Why bother allowing them into the mode at all?

JustWantTheRewards

Because we are all competing for the same things.

It's just not that simple. Smaller rosters also have to invest more in terms of Victory Shields in order to reach the GC. They also have to put in a lot more work at plat and beyond. We are all competing for the same rewards, but I think you're underestimating the investment and effort it takes to get a Cav account to Diamond.

Then you have to take into account just how goated the BGs store is. It's the fast track to progress. Giving large accounts the obvious advantage over UC-TB accounts will do nothing but widen the gap. Paragon players would stomp small accounts and use those rewards to beef up their rosters even more. UC players would get stomped, invest everything into Victory Shields and ultimately get nothing for their efforts.

The way the current system works, all players face relatively similar accounts from Bronze to Plat. Meaning, all players do put in around the same amount of work for the majority of the VT. It's 10's fighting 10's and 4's fighting 4's. If 10's started matching 1's, the 10's would become 11's with little to no effort and the 1's would stay at 1 for so much more effort. If they get lucky enough, maybe they could some day get to 2, but unlikely.

Searmenis

Congrats!

Legend title doesn't mean anything anymore btw.

Greekhit

Because we are all competing for the same things.

If the lower accounts want access to the same level of rewards (which they have), then they should have to compete against anyone else for those rewards

If they don't want to face those bigger accounts, then they should expect a lower tier of rewards

It's not fun fighting baby accounts up in P2, it's also not fun getting stomped on by whale accounts

but they get the same rewards for moving through the ranks and are in the same pool for the season rewards as paragons, why wouldn't they have to face the full competition?
They dont actually get the same rewards btw. Stuff is more expensive for lower progression titles

Except for more expensive, stuff is also more valuable for them.
It’s the same for all.
Store items have similar relative value to each progression tier title.
At least that’s the goal of the BGs store by design.
Matchmaking should be random, if not from start, at least from the tiers where the 1-1 medal system takes over.
Because as it is now, many strong players will find themselves at the end of the season, placing lower than weaker competition.
It’s all messed up right now.
Let’s hope seeding brings a totally random matchmaking with it.
There would be no excuses for weighted matchmaking parameters then.

GroundedWisdom

It's really not going to matter with 10 Tiers of 1 per Win. All its going to do is move the freezing up to Plat and up.

Greekhit

It's really not going to matter with 10 Tiers of 1 per Win. All its going to do is move the freezing up to Plat and up.

10 tiers of 1 per win is nearly how BGs started, and caused so much frustration to the point forums were flooded with venting posts.
After so many suggestion posts, things changed for the better, and now back to how it all started 🤷‍♂️

WinterFields

Because we are all competing for the same things.
It's just not that simple. Smaller rosters also have to invest more in terms of Victory Shields in order to reach the GC. They also have to put in a lot more work at plat and beyond. We are all competing for the same rewards, but I think you're underestimating the investment and effort it takes to get a Cav account to Diamond.

Then you have to take into account just how goated the BGs store is. It's the fast track to progress. Giving large accounts the obvious advantage over UC-TB accounts will do nothing but widen the gap. Paragon players would stomp small accounts and use those rewards to beef up their rosters even more. UC players would get stomped, invest everything into Victory Shields and ultimately get nothing for their efforts.

The way the current system works, all players face relatively similar accounts from Bronze to Plat. Meaning, all players do put in around the same amount of work for the majority of the VT. It's 10's fighting 10's and 4's fighting 4's. If 10's started matching 1's, the 10's would become 11's with little to no effort and the 1's would stay at 1 for so much more effort. If they get lucky enough, maybe they could some day get to 2, but unlikely.

You are forgetting that there is far more variability in Cav v Cav than Paragon v Paragon. Not to mention, open matchmaking doesn't guarantee easy matches. Even after getting to plat II, more than 70% of my matches (I've been keep a record) have been paragon with most of the few Cavs and TB I face have 2M+ accounts. I'm curious how many smaller accounts actually face large accounts on a regular basis.

Yes, the BG store is highly valuable, but so are the skills you learn along the way by actually progressing through the rest of the game. Cav should progress to TB and TB to Paragon. If you're at a point where you fighting people far above you but you have a lot more progression in the game to go, maybe it's a sign you need to progress your account more.

JustWantTheRewards

Because we are all competing for the same things.
It's just not that simple. Smaller rosters also have to invest more in terms of Victory Shields in order to reach the GC. They also have to put in a lot more work at plat and beyond. We are all competing for the same rewards, but I think you're underestimating the investment and effort it takes to get a Cav account to Diamond.

Then you have to take into account just how goated the BGs store is. It's the fast track to progress. Giving large accounts the obvious advantage over UC-TB accounts will do nothing but widen the gap. Paragon players would stomp small accounts and use those rewards to beef up their rosters even more. UC players would get stomped, invest everything into Victory Shields and ultimately get nothing for their efforts.

The way the current system works, all players face relatively similar accounts from Bronze to Plat. Meaning, all players do put in around the same amount of work for the majority of the VT. It's 10's fighting 10's and 4's fighting 4's. If 10's started matching 1's, the 10's would become 11's with little to no effort and the 1's would stay at 1 for so much more effort. If they get lucky enough, maybe they could some day get to 2, but unlikely.
You are forgetting that there is far more variability in Cav v Cav than Paragon v Paragon.

I'm not forgetting. I took that into account and I completely disagree that it matters in this context. Just because it's harder for Paragon's to fight Paragon's doesn't mean Paragon's should be allowed to stomp Cavs or Cavs should have to face Paragon's.

Open matchmaking doesn't guarantee easy matches, but it does guarantee disadvantaged matches for early UC accounts. Your experience can't be taken as the fact of the situation, because matchmaking widely varies based on time of day, which week you're grinding in, and more. If BGs matchmaking was changed to put everyone in the same pool, early UC accounts would almost exclusively be facing larger accounts. Most likely much larger.

I agree that the skills players are forced to learn are extremely valuable, but playing BGs doesn't mean players aren't also making progress in story content. If you're suggesting that they should just focus on that exclusively, then they might as well make BGs only available to TB+ accounts. And even assuming new players are able to get from UC to Paragon in a week, they will struggle to compete without the BGs store. Again, late Paragon players would stomp their bare minimum Paragon accounts to bits. This would give already stacked rosters such an easy way to farm rewards and boost their progress by just stomping smaller accounts, while the smaller accounts would have to invest tons more effort and resources into making much less progress. It would be such a broken system.