Rewarding stronger and better players is everywhere in the game, expecting any different in a PVP yes a PLAYER VS PLAYER competition doesnt make any sense, someone will win someone will lose, someone will win more and someone will lose more. People complain about the extra tiers, extra tiers means more rewards too.
Sure. For the 10% that are able to get past them.
10% I doubt MCoC is a multi million dollar game thanks to 100k players...
I'm not sure how you got all of the Player base from what I said. Regardless, if you think BGs is designed and maintained for the people who "pay the bills", there's not much sense in discussing the system with that stance.
So how is "number on player base" wrong, but you can make the statement that BGs is for people who pay the bills? 🤣🤣 Please tell me you are not gonna call them P2W. They already got matchmaking shelter until Plat and more rewards in the track that should be plenty, but its not enough.
You said more Rewards. I said that's great for the 10% of the people playing BGs who will actually get them all. Without a perfect Win ratio for 10 Tiers, or using Shields each Tier, you won't. That's even if you still have the drive to keep trying. You can make the Rewards a Titan Crystal a Tier, but if you make the competition itself require too much, it doesn't matter. There is a balance to making a competitive mode that drives people. When you cross that limit, they stop caring.
Rewarding stronger and better players is everywhere in the game, expecting any different in a PVP yes a PLAYER VS PLAYER competition doesnt make any sense, someone will win someone will lose, someone will win more and someone will lose more. People complain about the extra tiers, extra tiers means more rewards too.
Sure. For the 10% that are able to get past them.
10% I doubt MCoC is a multi million dollar game thanks to 100k players...
I'm not sure how you got all of the Player base from what I said. Regardless, if you think BGs is designed and maintained for the people who "pay the bills", there's not much sense in discussing the system with that stance.
So how is "number on player base" wrong, but you can make the statement that BGs is for people who pay the bills? 🤣🤣 Please tell me you are not gonna call them P2W. They already got matchmaking shelter until Plat and more rewards in the track that should be plenty, but its not enough.
You said more Rewards. I said that's great for the 10% of the people playing BGs who will actually get them all. Without a perfect Win ratio for 10 Tiers, or using Shields each Tier, you won't. That's even if you still have the drive to keep trying. You can make the Rewards a Titan Crystal a Tier, but if you make the competition itself require too much, it doesn't matter. There is a balance to making a competitive mode that drives people. When you cross that limit, they stop caring.
So wait I cant you your personal experience to make my arguments; but you can use your personal experience to refute mine? I used a total of 2 Badges and I am nowhere near the 10% top matter of fact in GC i cant even string 2 wins in a row right now. If you balance a competitive mode it stops being competitive, it was already "balanced" by sheltering up to Plat, if people can't even get there they should be doing something else.
I agree with someone else out there.. give them all the VT rewards; although they will probably complain about not getting the GC ones later. And also in my personal matter, I give up I will stop training and playing ⚽ all together if I am not picked to play in the Premier League, I lost my drive.
I have a feeling this will eventually be flipped and the "big accounts" will start a grievance about matchmaking or wanting rewards bumped up. Already have big accounts mentioning matching big accounts in VT.
I have a feeling this will eventually be flipped and the "big accounts" will start a grievance about matchmaking or wanting rewards bumped up. Already have big accounts mentioning matching big accounts in VT.
Well yeah, honestly 10k trophies for reaching GC URU3 seems a bit low considering "how hard" it is.
I have a feeling this will eventually be flipped and the "big accounts" will start a grievance about matchmaking or wanting rewards bumped up. Already have big accounts mentioning matching big accounts in VT.
Of course it will. People will stop caring with the current trajectory. I'm quite certain of it. Then what's left is what the "big accounts" will have to match with. That will lead to other arguments. In fact, that's my whole point. There are issues on both sides. To both sides, those issues matter.
Why do people who have spent years building their skills and rosters feel that they should rank higher than those who refuse to do either in a competition? How entitled can they get? The humble people who don't want to get better should get the best rewards because that's how the world works!
I have a feeling this will eventually be flipped and the "big accounts" will start a grievance about matchmaking or wanting rewards bumped up. Already have big accounts mentioning matching big accounts in VT.
You mean flipped back. Matchmaking posts used to be larger accounts complaining that they had harder matches and stuck in VT while GC was filled with low accounts
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
Yeah, that's literally not the point people are making at all, but if it makes people feel stronger to make claims like that, have at it. The issue will still be an issue, and that will show in the data.
Every day, hell, every hour we have either a post complaining about Bags that goes off into a pool slinging thread. Or some idiot provoking said BG complainers to again, turn into a poop slinging thread. Jesus wept.
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
You may be joking, but that way of thinking isn't exclusive to small progressing players. Big accounts duck big accounts just as much.
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
I no-life this game 24/7 and if other Paragons want to make it to GC, they must no-life the game 24/7 too.
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
I no-life this game 24/7 and if other Paragons want to make it to GC, they must no-life the game 24/7 too.
Says the man who stays in forums 24x7 arguing in threads. Do I remember correctly, reading a comment of you flexing your ability to argue with demonz and GW?
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
You may be joking, but that way of thinking isn't exclusive to small progressing players. Big accounts duck big accounts just as much.
Of course I'm joking... BGs never changed for anyone... These are the same problems low progression accounts are facing. You either skill your way up or buy your way up.
Yeah, that's literally not the point people are making at all, but if it makes people feel stronger to make claims like that, have at it. The issue will still be an issue, and that will show in the data.
I know where you are coming from and I sympathise. I just don't see eye to eye with some of the specific entitled whining.
I'm stuck in mysterium. I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins. I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
I no-life this game 24/7 and if other Paragons want to make it to GC, they must no-life the game 24/7 too.
Says the man who stays in forums 24x7 arguing in threads. Do I remember correctly, reading a comment of you flexing your ability to argue with demonz and GW?
Flexing? The only thing I recall saying about those two is that I agreed with them on some random thread about something even though I almost never agree with anything they say, how is that flexing? Lol go, keep no-lifeing BGs all day while your social life slowly fades away bud, you're such a skilled player right? 🤣
This post is **** tone deaf lmfao. I've seen exactly zero people say that they don't want to face players stronger than them. You're just being exaggerative because you're likely one of the many whales in the mode who don't see any issues with the mode, because you already have a stupidly stacked roster.
This post is **** tone deaf lmfao. I've seen exactly zero people say that they don't want to face players stronger than them. You're just being exaggerative because you're likely one of the many whales in the mode who don't see any issues with the mode, because you already have a stupidly stacked roster.
I have seen some people say that but most of the things I’ve seen is people wanting to find similar rosters. I also get that when you get to a certain tier, you’re gunna fight the opponents in that tier and plateau.
But people like to just assume that people who are upset are upset because they can’t just take an easy ride to the top. That’s not it.
It’s jus like when people say “oh you don’t like that character because you don’t have them or don’t know how to play them”. Some times people just don’t like them
This post is **** tone deaf lmfao. I've seen exactly zero people say that they don't want to face players stronger than them. You're just being exaggerative because you're likely one of the many whales in the mode who don't see any issues with the mode, because you already have a stupidly stacked roster.
I have seen some people say that but most of the things I’ve seen is people wanting to find similar rosters. I also get that when you get to a certain tier, you’re gunna fight the opponents in that tier and plateau.
But people like to just assume that people who are upset are upset because they can’t just take an easy ride to the top. That’s not it.
It’s jus like when people say “oh you don’t like that character because you don’t have them or don’t know how to play them”. Some times people just don’t like them
For the record, I've taken the time to point out to people that eventually they will find a range of opponents. That much is reasonable. I specifically made points for that compromise. People need some kind of progress starting out, or they won't bother. Then they will eventually hit Plat and either have some success and move forward, or they will get stronger over time. What this current iteration does is create a barrier for not only those Players (who for all intents and purposes were not getting a free ride from Plat on) but the majority of everyone else as well. It's a pinhole of a window for people to progress in, and if I'm being totally honest, it ruins it for everyone else who isn't patting themselves on the back and telling others they want everything for free. Some people would rather watch everything burn to the ground than consider someone else's progress as important. In any case, the real issue is you can't design the entire competition around serving the top 10%. There are many more Players in it who aren't looking for the best Rewards for free. They're not even trying to get to the top of the GC. They're trying to progress for where they're at. As far as we know, the VT from Plat up and the GC have all been random within the same Tier. People really need to get over that fact. I'm sorry to be that blunt, but it's true. Which means someone who has a smaller Account may have bypassed them if they played better. It has to be put bluntly because the alternative is destroying the game mode by making it absolutely discouraging to even bother for anyone who isn't the upper crust. There are a plethora of Tiers, both in the VT and the GC. There's enough room for people to fall in line organically with seeding. It's disappointing because it was making progress the last 2 Seasons. The second piece of the puzzle was seeding. This is just something that creates an unnecessary gap, and the effects are being felt. There are times I don't enjoy being right. This is one of them. I enjoy BGs. I don't like the idea that it will make people lose the desire to play. I don't just care about my own experience. I want as many Players to compete and keep trying, some win and some lose, and they feel motivated to come back the next Season and do better. This ain't it.
This post is **** tone deaf lmfao. I've seen exactly zero people say that they don't want to face players stronger than them. You're just being exaggerative because you're likely one of the many whales in the mode who don't see any issues with the mode, because you already have a stupidly stacked roster.
I have seen some people say that but most of the things I’ve seen is people wanting to find similar rosters. I also get that when you get to a certain tier, you’re gunna fight the opponents in that tier and plateau.
But people like to just assume that people who are upset are upset because they can’t just take an easy ride to the top. That’s not it.
It’s jus like when people say “oh you don’t like that character because you don’t have them or don’t know how to play them”. Some times people just don’t like them
For the record, I've taken the time to point out to people that eventually they will find a range of opponents. That much is reasonable. I specifically made points for that compromise. People need some kind of progress starting out, or they won't bother. Then they will eventually hit Plat and either have some success and move forward, or they will get stronger over time. What this current iteration does is create a barrier for not only those Players (who for all intents and purposes were not getting a free ride from Plat on) but the majority of everyone else as well. It's a pinhole of a window for people to progress in, and if I'm being totally honest, it ruins it for everyone else who isn't patting themselves on the back and telling others they want everything for free. Some people would rather watch everything burn to the ground than consider someone else's progress as important. In any case, the real issue is you can't design the entire competition around serving the top 10%. There are many more Players in it who aren't looking for the best Rewards for free. They're not even trying to get to the top of the GC. They're trying to progress for where they're at. As far as we know, the VT from Plat up and the GC have all been random within the same Tier. People really need to get over that fact. I'm sorry to be that blunt, but it's true. Which means someone who has a smaller Account may have bypassed them if they played better. It has to be put bluntly because the alternative is destroying the game mode by making it absolutely discouraging to even bother for anyone who isn't the upper crust. There are a plethora of Tiers, both in the VT and the GC. There's enough room for people to fall in line organically with seeding. It's disappointing because it was making progress the last 2 Seasons. The second piece of the puzzle was seeding. This is just something that creates an unnecessary gap, and the effects are being felt. There are times I don't enjoy being right. This is one of them. I enjoy BGs. I don't like the idea that it will make people lose the desire to play. I don't just care about my own experience. I want as many Players to compete and keep trying, some win and some lose, and they feel motivated to come back the next Season and do better. This ain't it.
How are you feeling the effects of seeding when seeding hasn't been implemented? You want people to compete, first they need to realize as UC/Cav/TB they will be limited. If they are not self aware of their limitation just by roster strength and size and come in the forums complaining constantly about "unfair matchmaking" they don't understand what a competition is at all.
Not sure what that means. I never said anything about feeling the effects of it. I said it was the second piece of the puzzle. It would have been enough without all the other changes. That seems like a distraction of an argument, to be honest.
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You can make the Rewards a Titan Crystal a Tier, but if you make the competition itself require too much, it doesn't matter.
There is a balance to making a competitive mode that drives people. When you cross that limit, they stop caring.
I used a total of 2 Badges and I am nowhere near the 10% top matter of fact in GC i cant even string 2 wins in a row right now.
If you balance a competitive mode it stops being competitive, it was already "balanced" by sheltering up to Plat, if people can't even get there they should be doing something else.
And also in my personal matter, I give up I will stop training and playing ⚽ all together if I am not picked to play in the Premier League, I lost my drive.
In fact, that's my whole point. There are issues on both sides. To both sides, those issues matter.
I don't want to match skilled whales and I must only match with weak dolphins.
I want celestial 1 right now without defeating stronger players. Gimme gimme
Is this a brag post?
These are the same problems low progression accounts are facing.
You either skill your way up or buy your way up.
I just don't see eye to eye with some of the specific entitled whining.
But people like to just assume that people who are upset are upset because they can’t just take an easy ride to the top. That’s not it.
It’s jus like when people say “oh you don’t like that character because you don’t have them or don’t know how to play them”. Some times people just don’t like them
What this current iteration does is create a barrier for not only those Players (who for all intents and purposes were not getting a free ride from Plat on) but the majority of everyone else as well. It's a pinhole of a window for people to progress in, and if I'm being totally honest, it ruins it for everyone else who isn't patting themselves on the back and telling others they want everything for free. Some people would rather watch everything burn to the ground than consider someone else's progress as important.
In any case, the real issue is you can't design the entire competition around serving the top 10%. There are many more Players in it who aren't looking for the best Rewards for free. They're not even trying to get to the top of the GC. They're trying to progress for where they're at.
As far as we know, the VT from Plat up and the GC have all been random within the same Tier. People really need to get over that fact. I'm sorry to be that blunt, but it's true. Which means someone who has a smaller Account may have bypassed them if they played better.
It has to be put bluntly because the alternative is destroying the game mode by making it absolutely discouraging to even bother for anyone who isn't the upper crust.
There are a plethora of Tiers, both in the VT and the GC. There's enough room for people to fall in line organically with seeding. It's disappointing because it was making progress the last 2 Seasons. The second piece of the puzzle was seeding. This is just something that creates an unnecessary gap, and the effects are being felt.
There are times I don't enjoy being right. This is one of them. I enjoy BGs. I don't like the idea that it will make people lose the desire to play. I don't just care about my own experience. I want as many Players to compete and keep trying, some win and some lose, and they feel motivated to come back the next Season and do better. This ain't it.
You want people to compete, first they need to
realize as UC/Cav/TB they will be limited. If they are not self aware of their limitation just by roster strength and size and come in the forums complaining constantly about "unfair matchmaking" they don't understand what a competition is at all.