Gladiators immunities are illogical

So as you know, Gladiator is nullify, stagger and fate steal immune which is mystic champions biggest advantage against cosmics. So what happened to champion classes? Doom is useless, Longshot is useless against him. We have to use science champions to beat cosmics now?

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ahmynuts

It's a good thing all mystic champions don't rely on the same thing or else you would have a pretty good point.

[Deleted User]

It's a good thing all mystic champions don't rely on the same thing or else you would have a pretty good point.

It's not about mystics, it's about cosmic champion is now superior than at least 70% of mystic class.

willrun4adonut

Bring on Chavez

StarSmasher2001

Laughs in continued Claire voyant W

Buttehrs

Its not the first time a champion counters the class that is supposed to counter said champion. It won't be the last either.

Samanun

So as you know, Gladiator is nullify, stagger and fate steal immune which is mystic champions biggest advantage against cosmics. So what happened to champion classes? Doom is useless, Longshot is useless against him. We have to use science champions to beat cosmics now?

Thats called having utility... would you rather have every cosmic be useless against every mystic or do you think they would want every cosmic able to be easily beaten by every mystic considering the overall health of the game it would be illogical to have that happen

[Deleted User]

So as you know, Gladiator is nullify, stagger and fate steal immune which is mystic champions biggest advantage against cosmics. So what happened to champion classes? Doom is useless, Longshot is useless against him. We have to use science champions to beat cosmics now?
Thats called having utility... would you rather have every cosmic be useless against every mystic or do you think they would want every cosmic able to be easily beaten by every mystic considering the overall health of the game it would be illogical to have that happen

Not every cosmics are useless against every mystics but mystics have slight advantages. There are tons of good cosmic defenders like galan, hulkling, gorr and many more which they are not immune. You don't need to give nullify stagger and fate steal immunity to a champion to make him better defender. It's just laziness. It just doesn't make any sense. Galan is much much stronger than him in the comics but he doesn't have this immunities. What is the logic behind this?

Karuseus

Hey, just so you know
Galan is immune to fate seal and nullify

BringPopcorn

He is not neutralize immune, which has been the trend ability on new Mystics

Ultragamer

He is not neutralize immune, which has been the trend ability on new Mystics

His buff have 200% potency so it’s useless

Ourobøros

Claire is probably the only mystic that might work against him, not even Wiccan is going to make it

Ultragamer

Chavez will work I’m sure abs will to

Ultragamer

Claire is probably the only mystic that might work against him, not even Wiccan is going to make it

Doom and longshot can work just gotta beware of his immunity to nullify stagger and fate seal he doesn’t always have it

DarkEternity

Abs will still work fine, Mordo will delete him, Mojo + Kindred can reduce buff duration, Claire has buff immunity, etc

AMS94

Chavez will work I’m sure abs will to

They will work at taking him down....which most non-mystic champs can also do

Mr.0-8-4

Nah. It's fine that he counters Fate Seal, Stagger, and Nullify. It's good to see a little challenge from the cosmic class against the likes of Doom or Longshot. Besides, champs like Black Widow Clairivoyant or American Chavez can handle this.

Rockyshocky

He doesn't just *have* the nullify and fate seal and stagger immunities. they come after launching a special at a certain confidence level, and for just a few seconds. just keep his confidence down, or wait it out for a few seconds. you're acting like hes invalidating every mystic that does that.

Soumemiakas1926

It's a good thing all mystic champions don't rely on the same thing or else you would have a pretty good point.
It's not about mystics, it's about cosmic champion is now superior than at least 70% of mystic class.

The only good cosmics against mystic are Galan and probably Gladiator. I don't think this is a 70%....

Bulmkt

Rintrah
Tigra
Wiccan
Should all take down gladiator

UnOriginal

So as you know, Gladiator is nullify, stagger and fate steal immune which is mystic champions biggest advantage against cosmics. So what happened to champion classes? Doom is useless, Longshot is useless against him. We have to use science champions to beat cosmics now?

For the same reason magneto exists

Fryday

I think is a few misconceptions here.

1st) Gladiator is actually immune to Neutralizer as he have 200% AA. So until Kabam release a new champ that can do Neutralizer + with extra 100% then, Tigra, Rintrah and Wiccan will not work on Gladiator as they should.

2nd) From the DD, I believe Gladiator only have immune to the other (Fate Seal, Stagger and Nullify) for 5s after his SPs. So I guess just need some playing around.

As other said, Abs Man, AC and Kinder should work.

We will find out in a couple of day, then we can discuss further if need to

Ercarret

I actually really like this for a couple of reasons. The first is that I think it's great that the game continues to evolve. Before Tigra and Mojo, every dang mystic champion felt the same to me. Everyone was just nullifying buffs. That was their whole schtick. The entire class'. I was so bored with the mystic class as a whole at that point. New champions that deal with buffs in new ways really were the saving grace, at least for my enjoyment of the class.

However, in order to make those new champs (and future champs) really relevant, you have to change things up among the cosmics. If every cosmic champion can be dealt with by nullifying mystic champions, what's the point of other ways of dealing with buffs? Why would you rank up anyone other than Dr. Doom?

So that's the first thing. The other thing is that I think I'll enjoy being able to take certain cosmic champions into content where their buffs are nullified one way or another. Making nullify-immune cosmic champions expands the type of content they can do. We'll no longer have a situation where certain nodes simply excludes the entire cosmic class. I think that's great.

We'll get champs that can deal with Gladiator's buffs in the future, if none exist already. He'll be annoying for a while but eventually the game will evolve again, and that's just how it should be in my opinion.

Iron_Patriot_is_lit

What if we could introduce a mystic with debuff shrugging...

Ortoun

I think is a few misconceptions here.

1st) Gladiator is actually immune to Neutralizer as he have 200% AA. So until Kabam release a new champ that can do Neutralizer + with extra 100% then, Tigra, Rintrah and Wiccan will not work on Gladiator as they should.

2nd) From the DD, I believe Gladiator only have immune to the other (Fate Seal, Stagger and Nullify) for 5s after his SPs. So I guess just need some playing around.

As other said, Abs Man, AC and Kinder should work.

We will find out in a couple of day, then we can discuss further if need to

Rintrah should still work, his neutralize potency is 200% against cosmic or superior.

Fryday

I think is a few misconceptions here.

1st) Gladiator is actually immune to Neutralizer as he have 200% AA. So until Kabam release a new champ that can do Neutralizer + with extra 100% then, Tigra, Rintrah and Wiccan will not work on Gladiator as they should.

2nd) From the DD, I believe Gladiator only have immune to the other (Fate Seal, Stagger and Nullify) for 5s after his SPs. So I guess just need some playing around.

As other said, Abs Man, AC and Kinder should work.

We will find out in a couple of day, then we can discuss further if need to
Rintrah should still work, his neutralize potency is 200% against cosmic or superior.

Oh that is interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info

Aomine_Daiki10

Gladiator will still be cooked let people get him first.

TheParasite

Bring Mordo and soul barb him if you want to

Syndicated

That champ seems so useless, it's way better the Iron Man buff

At least is not like Photon, that champ is no sense, few options to counter her with skill champs

Marvelfan30

Galan is nullify and fate seal immune yet you aren't complaining about him...

BigPoppaCBONE

I think is a few misconceptions here.

1st) Gladiator is actually immune to Neutralizer as he have 200% AA. So until Kabam release a new champ that can do Neutralizer + with extra 100% then, Tigra, Rintrah and Wiccan will not work on Gladiator as they should.

2nd) From the DD, I believe Gladiator only have immune to the other (Fate Seal, Stagger and Nullify) for 5s after his SPs. So I guess just need some playing around.

As other said, Abs Man, AC and Kinder should work.

We will find out in a couple of day, then we can discuss further if need to

Rintrah should still work, his neutralize potency is 200% against cosmic or superior.

Nope.
Gladiator has 300% accuracy. The ability says an additional 200%. Confirmed in the deep dive.