Changes to Kingpin's regeneration rate

So, I've noticed that Kingpin's regen rate has changed, making it lower now

Before it was 50% of the standard 100% (like it is for most other champions), now it is 40% in his abilities.

I've also noticed in fights that his regen rate used to +90 per tick (on a 6 star rank 4); this was before Monday.

The past couple of days it's been +72 per tick.

Is there a reason for the change? I don't recall seeing it in any character ability changes

I've attached photos that show his old abilities as listed on AuntMai and the current abilities in game.

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Comments

SecondSkriller

Yeah this isn’t funny… silently nerfing champions isn’t really accepted, any word on this @Kabam Miike ?

ahmynuts

Can confirm mine changed too so it's not just you or a photoshop lol. My theory is that they changed it to be in line with DDHK's kit. Also, this change was not listed in the update notes either as of the time of my comment

zuffy

Yeah, this is not cool and funny at all.

MikeHancho31

Once again Kabam proving they don't care about anything.

Bendy

Hope thats a bug as its already hard to heal chip damage this makes it even worse

willemadnnel117

@Kabam Miike

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Wozzle007

Ah but is it on the Trello Board? If it’s not at least we know Kabam hasn’t fixed a bug where his regen rate was too high. So must be a new bug.

Incidentally sure my rank 5 used to tick for 90 something regen and now it’s 87. So it does seem to be reduced. Unless I’m absolutely misremembering.

ChaosMax1012

They tried to pull a fast one lol

Pikolu

It has been brought up to the game team, so we will just have to await their response to the change. Odds are It is just a bug.

Chobbly

Just checked myself and yes, Kingpin is now 40% the same as DDHK. It's always struck me as odd that Kingpin's Regen is higher than DDHK given that his Rage Debuffs effectively have an infinite duration.

Would I mind this change, if DDHK's was correspondingly increased to 50% or 60%? Not massively and it wouldn't stop me playing Kingpin, at all really. It might mean I play DDHK a bit more. But a bit of clarity either way would be appreciated.

ahmynuts

Just checked myself and yes, Kingpin is now 40% the same as DDHK. It's always struck me as odd that Kingpin's Regen is higher than DDHK given that his Rage Debuffs effectively have an infinite duration.

Would I mind this change, if DDHK's was correspondingly increased to 50% or 60%? Not massively and it wouldn't stop me playing Kingpin, at all really. It might mean I play DDHK a bit more. But a bit of clarity either way would be appreciated.

I remember them commenting about this at one point but for the life of me i cant remember where.

ReignkingTW

Did you check Trello?

Kabam Jax

Hello Summoners,

Here to clarify on this issue. From the game team:

"Kingpin and Daredevil were using the old regen-rate lock tech that we used for the Conduit tactic, which famously caused a lot of bugs. As such, I updated it to our new tech, but after a delay to get other tech in so it would match behavior exactly. Unfortunately, in that process, I put 0.4 in both KP and DDHK's code, instead of 0.5 in one and 0.4 in the other.
...
Short version - I typed 0.4 instead of 0.5"

We are working to resolve this issue - it should be shifted soon.

I'll say it again: we do not make silent nerfs. We do, however, make mistakes - silly typo! Happy to clarify this!

ahmynuts

Hello Summoners,

Here to clarify on this issue. From the game team:

"Kingpin and Daredevil were using the old regen-rate lock tech that we used for the Conduit tactic, which famously caused a lot of bugs. As such, I updated it to our new tech, but after a delay to get other tech in so it would match behavior exactly. Unfortunately, in that process, I put 0.4 in both KP and DDHK's code, instead of 0.5 in one and 0.4 in the other.
...
Short version - I typed 0.4 instead of 0.5"

We are working to resolve this issue - it should be shifted soon.

I'll say it again: we do not make silent nerfs. We do, however, make mistakes - silly typo! Happy to clarify this!

Cat_Murdock

Wanna accidentally type Daredevil’s to be 0.5 too while you’re at it? 🙂👍

Demonzfyre

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?

Dukenpuke

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?

To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.

Pikolu

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.

That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.

ahmynuts

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?

To be fair none of us were screaming that. We just noticed the change and were discussing it

Dukenpuke

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.

laserjohn26

Hello Summoners,

Here to clarify on this issue. From the game team:

"Kingpin and Daredevil were using the old regen-rate lock tech that we used for the Conduit tactic, which famously caused a lot of bugs. As such, I updated it to our new tech, but after a delay to get other tech in so it would match behavior exactly. Unfortunately, in that process, I put 0.4 in both KP and DDHK's code, instead of 0.5 in one and 0.4 in the other.
...
Short version - I typed 0.4 instead of 0.5"

We are working to resolve this issue - it should be shifted soon.

I'll say it again: we do not make silent nerfs. We do, however, make mistakes - silly typo! Happy to clarify this!

Except for aa.

GroundedWisdom

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.

That makes no sense. A bug is an unintended change. A nerf is not. People like to use that word colloquially, but it's really semantics. A nerf is different from what the common use that nerfed is used for.
When you're talking about a silent nerf, there's the implication that something is intentionally changed with the intentions of not telling people. That's not the case.

Barrier Reef

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair none of us were screaming that. We just noticed the change and were discussing it

The Forum Warriors despise conversing about changes in the game, heaven forbid.

Dukenpuke

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.
That makes no sense. A bug is an unintended change. A nerf is not. People like to use that word colloquially, but it's really semantics. A nerf is different from what the common use that nerfed is used for.
When you're talking about a silent nerf, there's the implication that something is intentionally changed with the intentions of not telling people. That's not the case.

A nerf is a change that makes something weaker. I don't agree that it has to be intentional to earn that name.

ReignkingTW

It's an undocumented feature.

GroundedWisdom

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.
That makes no sense. A bug is an unintended change. A nerf is not. People like to use that word colloquially, but it's really semantics. A nerf is different from what the common use that nerfed is used for.
When you're talking about a silent nerf, there's the implication that something is intentionally changed with the intentions of not telling people. That's not the case.
A nerf is a change that makes something weaker. I don't agree that it has to be intentional to earn that name.

That's the problem. Using the term too loosely evokes reactions.

TyEdge

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.
That makes no sense. A bug is an unintended change. A nerf is not. People like to use that word colloquially, but it's really semantics. A nerf is different from what the common use that nerfed is used for.
When you're talking about a silent nerf, there's the implication that something is intentionally changed with the intentions of not telling people. That's not the case.
A nerf is a change that makes something weaker. I don't agree that it has to be intentional to earn that name.

If there was a poll, I’d vote the other way. To me, the term conveys a certain intentionality.

Texas_11

Hello Summoners,

Here to clarify on this issue. From the game team:

"Kingpin and Daredevil were using the old regen-rate lock tech that we used for the Conduit tactic, which famously caused a lot of bugs. As such, I updated it to our new tech, but after a delay to get other tech in so it would match behavior exactly. Unfortunately, in that process, I put 0.4 in both KP and DDHK's code, instead of 0.5 in one and 0.4 in the other.
...
Short version - I typed 0.4 instead of 0.5"

We are working to resolve this issue - it should be shifted soon.

I'll say it again: we do not make silent nerfs. We do, however, make mistakes - silly typo! Happy to clarify this!

Tell them To just keep DDHK the same , please and thank you it’s a huge buff for him, but no one will know and it will make him usable

Polygon

For those who scream silent nerf, y'all ever come back and apologize for causing a ruckus?
To be fair, it was a silent nerf. It was just an unintended silent nerf.
That's called a bug, not a silent nerf.
The two are not mutually exclusive.

Kingpin is worse than he was before the update. The change was not announced. He was silently nerfed.

The fact that he is worse now was unintentional, which makes it a bug.

Both things can be true.
That makes no sense. A bug is an unintended change. A nerf is not. People like to use that word colloquially, but it's really semantics. A nerf is different from what the common use that nerfed is used for.
When you're talking about a silent nerf, there's the implication that something is intentionally changed with the intentions of not telling people. That's not the case.

To provide further clarity, a nerf is basically what happened to Namor.