Primordial Dust during Cyber Monday - Should Kabam avoid another BG disaster?

User experience completely changed for BGs players following the July 4 deals , of which contained the frowned upon Odins as players could just buy their way for multiple r5 gems - something we had never seen before as these resources were so rare. Imagine all the effort /time grinding the Carinas just for a single gem, and players could just buy them easily.

This completely ruined the experience of BGs for many as it entailed matching against whales with absolutely stacked accounts.

I can see the situation getting even worse if they add primordial dust in the money offers as players would have a ton of ascended champions in their decks. (Personally i think they should avoid having it in the money offers but can in the unit deals to give the f2p or casual spenders a chance to obtain as well)

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Go_To

They should add it to the money offers. Just not in huge numbers. Spenders should have an advantage over ftp players. That’s how the game stays alive

Colinwhitworth69

First, Kabam has been incredibly generous lately with rewards, and in general they are making shards and materials much more readily available across the game.

Second, Kabam is a business and needs to make money, and ascension materials are like Titan shards and T6cc and AGs -- a highly valuable commodity people will pay for. So don't get your hopes up about them not including them in deals. Kabam will sell ascension materials and make them game rewards.

Manup456

It should just be rewards earned in game doing content, that all players can access equally by just playing like they did with this event.

July 4th shifted things a lot because a player who has played since day 1 and done every single piece of content in the game couldn’t come close to earning what people were able to buy in a few hours if that. We had never seen a shift that drastic in rosters, but don’t get me wrong the p2w aspect has always been percent, it just was never at that lvl.

I fear for what will happen with these next deals but we shall see.

Just my opinion on this 👍🏼

BringPopcorn

You are worried about Primordial Dust to ascend 6* when whales are thinking about taking more 7* to r2 🤣

Zuro

You are worried about Primordial Dust to ascend 6* when whales are thinking about taking more 7* to r2 🤣

The whole point of ascension is that r5s are equal to 7 star r2s lol

GroundedWisdom

They're not going to stop offering things for sale. I have no idea if they plan to offer them or not, but fear of competition shouldn't be a deciding factor.

DerpyEagle

Dude 4th of July already set us F2p so behind Kabam better not drop a giant $hi on us again. Not that ascension is even that game changing but STILL please no

BringPopcorn

You are worried about Primordial Dust to ascend 6* when whales are thinking about taking more 7* to r2 🤣
The whole point of ascension is that r5s are equal to 7 star r2s lol

Errr yeah sure keep telling that to youself.
Ascended 6* = 7*R2... yeah sure ...

Zekir

You are worried about Primordial Dust to ascend 6* when whales are thinking about taking more 7* to r2 🤣
The whole point of ascension is that r5s are equal to 7 star r2s lol

Where did you get your info from? R5 6* is ~ R2 7*..... same as R2 6* is ~ R5 5*...

Ascension gives it an entire tier up, so Ascended R5 is close to R3 7*

Jack2634

i think having them in units deal might be the best option . Since at least it can pay out to the f2p player that actually grinding this game , like hardcore .

houndogακι

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ahmynuts

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Bold of you to do that when he's like the buggiest champion in the game

Dirty_Dozz

You are worried about Primordial Dust to ascend 6* when whales are thinking about taking more 7* to r2 🤣
The whole point of ascension is that r5s are equal to 7 star r2s lol
Errr yeah sure keep telling that to youself.
Ascended 6* = 7*R2... yeah sure ...

It literally is. Or if anything, it's closer to a 7R3. That was the entire point of making ascension enticing

Bulmkt

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With suicides active?

Gogi

They should include everything in their offers, business needs to go around.
I know I will not buy the offers but spender that do should get value for their money.

Manup456

Greed doesn’t make things better, it usually back fires. Some of the biggest companies and people have fallen due to greed.

Colinwhitworth69

I’ll repost this so people can see Kabam’s own chart on ascension.

An ascended 5s is equivalent to a 6sr3, level 1.

Searmenis

Cyber Week deals will start focus on T4 Alpha cats. Dust is just something for f2p and low spenders, to help them keep up with whales until r3 7 stars start appearing. So I don't think they ll be in the money offers at all, spenders don't care about it, they are all 7 star champions now. Maybe we ll see something in unit deals for f2p players, but imo that s a low chance.

DrZola

I’ll repost this so people can see Kabam’s own chart on ascension.

An ascended 5s is equivalent to a 6sr3, level 1.

Query: that’s for base attack and health, but I didn’t think things like CR changed for ascended champs?

Dr. Zola

Polygon

They should include everything in their offers, business needs to go around.
I know I will not buy the offers but spender that do should get value for their money.

I think you and half the people that voted for keeping the deals in the money offers completely missed the point. There would still be value for their purchases, just not broken/game changing value that clearly exceeds anything a f2p can get by beating everything in the game with just a single purchase of an odin like @Manup456 said and to quote

“July 4th shifted things a lot because a player who has played since day 1 and done every single piece of content in the game couldn’t come close to earning what people were able to buy in a few hours if that. “

We want the company to profit sure, but do we really want completely broken offers that set a huge massive gap to make user experience in BGs completely one sided? @Gogi @Colinwhitworth69 @GroundedWisdom

GroundedWisdom

They should include everything in their offers, business needs to go around.
I know I will not buy the offers but spender that do should get value for their money.
I think you and half the people that voted for keeping the deals in the money offers completely missed the point. There would still be value for their purchases, just not broken/game changing value that clearly exceeds anything a f2p can get by beating everything in the game with just a single purchase of an odin like @Manup456 said and to quote

“July 4th shifted things a lot because a player who has played since day 1 and done every single piece of content in the game couldn’t come close to earning what people were able to buy in a few hours if that. “

We want the company to profit sure, but do we really want completely broken offers that set a huge massive gap to make user experience in BGs completely one sided? @Gogi @Colinwhitworth69 @GroundedWisdom

It's nor a huge massive gap. It's a step up. An ascended 6* at Max Rank is just below a 7* R3. The purpose of Ascension is to smooth the transition somewhat. Which means we're inevitably going to encounter the same bump when R3s are common.
The game offers Sales, and the newest materials that are released are always offered in some capacity for sale, usually before we get our hands on them for free. We're fortunate they released Dust in content first.
The game always adjusts to what they sell after. It's never been such a massive gap that people can't get there over time.
You can't stop selling things because there's a competition.

Colinwhitworth69

They should include everything in their offers, business needs to go around.
I know I will not buy the offers but spender that do should get value for their money.
I think you and half the people that voted for keeping the deals in the money offers completely missed the point. There would still be value for their purchases, just not broken/game changing value that clearly exceeds anything a f2p can get by beating everything in the game with just a single purchase of an odin like @Manup456 said and to quote

“July 4th shifted things a lot because a player who has played since day 1 and done every single piece of content in the game couldn’t come close to earning what people were able to buy in a few hours if that. “

We want the company to profit sure, but do we really want completely broken offers that set a huge massive gap to make user experience in BGs completely one sided? @Gogi @Colinwhitworth69 @GroundedWisdom

I expect them to present offers they think will sell well, and only Kabam knows that. If they feel they went overboard on July 4, they'll course correct.

But, again, ascension dust is a rare and highly valuable item. It will sell well. I do expect them to find ways to get dust into the hands of everyone thru events, objectives, calendars and such.

I just ascended my first 6 star, Kingpin, and love it. Can't wait to ascend another champ.

Manup456

@GroundedWisdom You think it’s possible to get 8 r5 in the game and how long would that take? That’s pretty much what happened or they went the r2 route. We have been able to ascend 1 6* come on what are you talking about. The only r5 gem in the game was through carina challenge at that time and yes that’s a big gap.

klobberintyme

@GroundedWisdom You think it’s possible to get 8 r5 in the game and how long would that take? That’s pretty much what happened or they went the r2 route. We have been able to ascend 1 6* come on what are you talking about. The only r5 gem in the game was through carina challenge at that time and yes that’s a big gap.

Welp I got 3 6r5s in the course of a weekend. All from gems. (Whale noises)

The fact is, most folks now aren't looking to r5 a 6* with actual mats, they'd do it with a gem. They'll save mats for the 7r3s and r4s, coming way sooner than you think. So then you're looking at a lot of newer paragons thinking Why rank up any 6* champ i can get as a 7*, and do i really want to ascend a 6r4?

This will be very interesting in 2 1/2 months time, indeed.