Is Adam Warlock worth r5?

Love playing adam warlock and trying to decide whether to r5 him. Only thing holding me back is that 10% of the time AI doesn't cooperate. If you're on your toes you can deal with it but requires high concentration in case you need to deal with a weird AI. I really like playing him the other 90% of the time, would be interested to hear people's opinions on him in battlegrounds (I would say I can play him fairly well).

Comments

Lokx

If you like the champ then go for it. Why does it matter. I've seen someone r5 beast because they like him as a character. Just do what you like.

Jarvisrei

Imo As a champ he is, but as a cosmic champ? I don't think so. But if you like him, you should go for him.

13579rebel_

You like him that's your answer

SagaChampion

Rankup your favourite any Champs.Take it like Game.

BeastDad

Absolutely not.

Emilia90

He destroys everything when the AI cooperates but idk if you’re willing to have that unreliability. There’s ways to make him better to use, and since you say that you’re pretty good with him, I think he’ll be a good choice

GK625

This is a yes, but... do you have Herc, Hulkling or Galan, etc already R5? Maybe consider one of them first if not.

RonSwanson

Absolutely not.

Based on what?

flapjax

I voted no but thats more, is it worth it for me.

Personally I hate how unreliable he is. You need near perfect AI cooperation and if your opponent has a stun or dot on their specials it really sucks. Not to mention if there's unstoppable, evade or miss it completely messes him up.

In matches where he can cook and the opponent plays into him, he's an absolute beast though. So if you like him and can use him I'd say he's worth R5, just not for me.

ItsClobberinTime

I wouldn't, and it's not because of AI cooperation you can easily keep that under control if you first push them close to the wall and then start sovereignty counter. My main issue with him is any node or ability that prevents you from being aggressive or applying the taunt makes him absolutely useless. Unstoppable, falter, evade, cleanse, tenacity etc so for that reason I'd say do someone else first the cosmic class has way better options

Laceros

I end all BG fights with him in less than 30 seconds, (when he doesnt get banned.)

The amount of sub 30 second fights and full yellow bar fights with him is unreal,

Ever since I started using him the amount of times I saw “NO DAMAGE TAKEN” at the end fight screen has increased three trillion fold.

Sachhyam257

I took mine straight to r4 with the intention of r5ing and ascending him. Truth be told, after playing around with him, the novelty of those big yellow numbers wore off quick. I started to see some issues in his kit.

1) He isn't stun immune while in the pod, so some champion specials will be risky to bait with your own sp2.

2) He is nullify, stagger & fateseal immune with his sovereignity buff, but you only gain that buff after the first cycle. See the problem? If you, for some odd reason take him against a mystic, the buffs in his first cycle are still prone to being nullified. Not to mention, he isn't immune to nullify from nodes, so buffet and power snack are going to feast on him.

3) Debuff shruggers/ immune nodes can be a issue for him too. He relies on the taunt and the intimidate debuffs for smoother gameplay, the prior more than the latter. If those get shrugged off after being applied, they don't reapper until the next cycle. So you are stuck dealing with an untaunted opponent. Which certainly is a doable fight, not saying he cannot do the fight, just that the AI will be more of an uncooperative nuisance.

4) Being AI reliant to some degree. This is already talked about a lot, so I won't add anything here.

5) He is prone to glancing and AA reduction too. He does counter AA reduction after getting the sovereignity buff, but that is after you complete one cycle. So for the first cycle, you must suffer through buffs not triggering.

6) There is this weird thing where if your sp2 is blocked (my unblockable buff failed to trigger because of glancing), there is frame or two when the opponent can hit you before you get into the pod. I thought, "I'll just get into the pod with sp2 and tank some hits with the 75% dmg reduction", but I got slapped twice before getting into the damn thing (gap between animation of sp2 ending and pod appearing), losing a big chunk of health.

All that said, I still enjoy the character. But these issues may have knocked him a peg down for me, personally. I'm still deciding my ascension choice between him, fantman and silk though.

PT_99

Not till he get tuned up, his sp-1 stun duration and getting stunned/DOT during pod is hilariously stupid, also needs passive taunt.

ItsClobberinTime

Not till he get tuned up, his sp-1 stun duration and getting stunned/DOT during pod is hilariously stupid, also needs passive taunt.

He's not getting tuned up, they already said they're "happy with his performance"

Milan1405

Wow an almost even split, I've got a lot to think about; I appreciate all your guys input.

That's my roster btw. Its pretty much between Adam (sig200) and CGR for me. I also love my hyperion but I don't think I can r5 him over the other 2.

Sachhyam257

I wouldn't, and it's not because of AI cooperation you can easily keep that under control if you first push them close to the wall and then start sovereignty counter. My main issue with him is any node or ability that prevents you from being aggressive or applying the taunt makes him absolutely useless. Unstoppable, falter, evade, cleanse, tenacity etc so for that reason I'd say do someone else first the cosmic class has way better options

Yeah that too, I forgot to add that in my comment, great point. 👍

ItsClobberinTime

Wow an almost even split, I've got a lot to think about; I appreciate all your guys input.

That's my roster btw. Its pretty much between Adam (sig200) and CGR for me. I also love my hyperion but I don't think I can r5 him over the other 2.

If it's between those two, then yeah Adam cause at least he has some defensive value for BGs, and CGR hits hard enough at r4 anyways. Personally though, I would do Hype (if you have an awakened Gamora relic he's even crazier).

ItsClobberinTime

I wouldn't, and it's not because of AI cooperation you can easily keep that under control if you first push them close to the wall and then start sovereignty counter. My main issue with him is any node or ability that prevents you from being aggressive or applying the taunt makes him absolutely useless. Unstoppable, falter, evade, cleanse, tenacity etc so for that reason I'd say do someone else first the cosmic class has way better options
Yeah that too, I forgot to add that in my comment, great point. 👍

I forgot to add some of your points too, the whole stun situation when he triggers his pod and nullifies or staggers make him almost unplayable on certain matchups too.
Another thing I forgot to add is that sp1 stun, it literally does nothing in BGs since everyone is running limber.

Barrier Reef

I cannot for the life of me pull him. I’ve opened 60+ featureds too.

but I would totally take him to R5.

BeastDad

Absolutely not.
Based on what?

Based on the fact that he is 100% reliant on AI behavior to be awesome.

That alone makes it an easy pass.

ItsClobberinTime

I cannot for the life of me pull him. I’ve opened 60+ featureds too. but I would totally take him to R5.

I think you're severely overestimating him lol as someone who's pulled him three times already and figured out how to use him effectively, you're going to be very disappointed once you realize how many flaws he actually has. Anything that prevents you from playing aggressive like unstoppable, falter, evade, purify, cleanse, root shuts him down almost completely. Anything that nullifies or staggers your buffs right off the bat also shuts him down almost completely.
He's not as good as you think.

Milan1405

I played more adam warlock and cgr and still can't decide which one I like more. When adam's rotation works (90%) he feels fantastic to play, but the odd time the AI screws up ur counter really pisses me off. On the other hand I really do like cgr, but I also know I'm not that good playing him. I ain't even 1/4 as good as slayer of gods. All I know is the sp3 and sp2 rotations for long and short fights respectively. If Adam could not be stunned while in stasis pod I would pull the trigger, but that idiotic oversight is just making me cautious as it has screwed me over before and I think if I properly learnt CGR maybe I would get more out of him? AHHH I CAN'T DECIDE!!! (P.S. Thanks so much everyone for giving me feedback).

Milan1405

I cannot for the life of me pull him. I’ve opened 60+ featureds too. but I would totally take him to R5.
I think you're severely overestimating him lol as someone who's pulled him three times already and figured out how to use him effectively, you're going to be very disappointed once you realize how many flaws he actually has. Anything that prevents you from playing aggressive like unstoppable, falter, evade, purify, cleanse, root shuts him down almost completely. Anything that nullifies or staggers your buffs right off the bat also shuts him down almost completely.
He's not as good as you think.

Just played more adam warlock and he struggles against a lot of champs who just shouldn't be difficult. He has problems against red guardian, BWDO, ultron, mole man, KP, mr fantastic etc, let alone defenders that are actually tough. I really enjoy adam warlock, but to make his rotation work you need to be able to gain buffs freely, be able to taunt your opponent and play aggressively all of the time, which is very tough, especially with weirder and weirder AI, just look at gladiator's nonsense AI. Hence I'm leaning towards. r5 cgr rn.

SlayerOfGods

I think if I properly learnt CGR maybe I would get more out of him?

You think correctly

ItsClobberinTime

I cannot for the life of me pull him. I’ve opened 60+ featureds too. but I would totally take him to R5.
I think you're severely overestimating him lol as someone who's pulled him three times already and figured out how to use him effectively, you're going to be very disappointed once you realize how many flaws he actually has. Anything that prevents you from playing aggressive like unstoppable, falter, evade, purify, cleanse, root shuts him down almost completely. Anything that nullifies or staggers your buffs right off the bat also shuts him down almost completely.
He's not as good as you think.
Just played more adam warlock and he struggles against a lot of champs who just shouldn't be difficult. He has problems against red guardian, BWDO, ultron, mole man, KP, mr fantastic etc, let alone defenders that are actually tough. I really enjoy adam warlock, but to make his rotation work you need to be able to gain buffs freely, be able to taunt your opponent and play aggressively all of the time, which is very tough, especially with weirder and weirder AI, just look at gladiator's nonsense AI. Hence I'm leaning towards. r5 cgr rn.

After giving it some thought, I would go for that CGR probably yeah.
Here's the thing, Adam was made to counter auto block, that's it, and honestly that's fine but I wish his taunt was at least passive so he could do a few other matchups. Right now, he can't really counter most top defenders, it's wild to me that they decided to not give him some slight tweaks. Yeah yeah sure he can ignore Galan's harvest with his pod and that's cool but I would never use Adam against Galan if I have Wiccan Rintrah or Tigra, and even for defenders with autoblock like Peni or OS I'm better off using Hulkling or Galan cause they're not as risky and they're faster. Adam to me is what Wong is to the mystic class, best way to put it.

AMS94

Any champ is worth R5 if you "love playing that champ"

Milan1405

Any champ is worth R5 if you "love playing that champ"

Of course, but I also love playing CGR. I think CGR is better, Adam warlock is slightly. more fun when everything goes to plan (although this may be his novelty) , but the fact that he has more weaknesses and less damage than CGR is something I can't ignore.