Immune to everything buff

Please remove the “immune to everything” buff in Incursions.

I’m not super clear on how this is intended to be good content.

It’s lazy writing/coding/development and sucks all the joy out of the game.

Why take all the nodes, enhancements, the right champs, synergies, relics, plan, plan, plan and then - immune to everything.

And it’s not a stretch to say the “turn off all buffs” for 30 sec - 1 minute is also hot garbage.

Don’t be lazy. Don’t put this in the game. Allow players to leverage good planning, synergies, content creator suggestions, etc to get a leg up.

You want people figuring out ways to win. This is how you get them to play.

Turning off all debuffs (immunity) or all buffs makes the game not fun to play.

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ahmynuts

Wait until this guy hears about titania

Ryker

Not at all similar - she gets a combination of an unreasonable buffs, true, but they quickly fade and there is a big timer for her to get them back.

In incursions the whole content is designed to allow the player to ramp, but to turn off all of that ramp entirely, for the whole fight… what did you build for?

Thanks for trying to understand.

Ryker

No one else is worried about this “immune to everything” buff all over the contest now?

It’s kinda pathetic. Pair this with a regen or even this flux dispersal node and it’s a recipe for disaster. Can’t remove flux dispersal w/o parry/heavy. Can’t parry because immune. Forced to heavy counter a non-participatory AI or wait for Relic to recharge.

In meantime the defender is just immune to everything so even like little armor breaks that make the psychological manageable you can’t use. This would dictate a high risk intercept play style anyway.

I mean, couldn’t this be reserved to DOT debuffs instead?

Nope, Kabam continues its war parries…

Demonzfyre

It just sounds like you don't know how to beat it.

Ryker

Oh I know

Ryker

I don’t want to see this kind of content in EQ anymore.

I know I can heavy counter the heavy. Heavy counter the special attacks. Leverage the relic’s stun (which I’m sure you forgot to take that stun away, y’all would rather the player flail along unable to do damage or parry stun).

Save this immune to everything **** for something else. Be creative and screwing the player base!

Demonzfyre

I don’t want to see this kind of content in EQ anymore.

I know I can heavy counter the heavy. Heavy counter the special attacks. Leverage the relic’s stun (which I’m sure you forgot to take that stun away, y’all would rather the player flail along unable to do damage or parry stun).

Save this immune to everything **** for something else. Be creative and screwing the player base!

I would try getting good vs asking them to take away content.

Ryker

@Demonzfyre what gave you the impression that I’m not good? B/c I have a fundamental objection to this lazy content? Not seeing the connection, especially after I have given a 1/2 dozen ways to counter this.

The objection is about how “not fun” this makes the game and how it demonstrates a complete lack of care when creating content. They’ve done this before, realized it was a mistake and resolved it.

Really it’s meant to be cautionary. Did they really intend to put this combination of nodes together? Did any of their engineers play this? Do they play this? It’s objectively bad content.

IvarTheBoneless

@Demonzfyre what gave you the impression that I’m not good? B/c I have a fundamental objection to this lazy content? Not seeing the connection, especially after I have given a 1/2 dozen ways to counter this.

The objection is about how “not fun” this makes the game and how it demonstrates a complete lack of care when creating content. They’ve done this before, realized it was a mistake and resolved it.

Really it’s meant to be cautionary. Did they really intend to put this combination of nodes together? Did any of their engineers play this? Do they play this? It’s objectively bad content.

Yes their engineers play this. No it's not bad content. Use champs that rely on buffs not debuffs or champs that have naturally high damage with an intercept play style. For example but not limited to hulkling, hyperion, gamora, valkyrie, kitty pride, absorbing man, dani moonstar, hercules, kate bishop, kingpin, nimrod, stark enhanced spider man, hood, ... that was just at the top of my head.

This is with the assumption that you mean "immune to all debuffs" but immune to everything. If you meant safeguard typ nodes, while yes they are annoying there's a whole different set of champs that can counter those.

Demonzfyre

@Demonzfyre what gave you the impression that I’m not good? B/c I have a fundamental objection to this lazy content? Not seeing the connection, especially after I have given a 1/2 dozen ways to counter this.

The objection is about how “not fun” this makes the game and how it demonstrates a complete lack of care when creating content. They’ve done this before, realized it was a mistake and resolved it.

Really it’s meant to be cautionary. Did they really intend to put this combination of nodes together? Did any of their engineers play this? Do they play this? It’s objectively bad content.

When did they realize that mistake and resolved it? What are you referring to?

Nodes like this are meant to broaden your skills with using a variety of champs vs just allowing to you Herc your way through it. It's supposed to add a layer of difficulty.

Anyone that calls nodes like this lazy, generally can't beat the defender or can't beat the defender without using items.

Ryker

Gotcha - yeah, done with the content. So, basically you have a bad read.

I was referring to Beast in EQ with immunity on knock down. With the obligation to knock down b/c flux dispersal.

Even using champs with buffs, intercept play style at 20 stacks of dispersal defender takes 0 damage, none, zilch.

I don’t want to play a heavy counter or special, heavy counter play style to remove flux dispersal. Then when I do, immune to all…

If they make them immune to DOT OR non-Dot debuffs, fine, but not both.

Making a slippery slope argument: imagine the immune to everything buff combined with node that disallows all buffs for 30 sec to a minute.

Why build all this nuance in the game and then lazily write “immune to everything” or “no buffs allowed”

Demonzfyre

Gotcha - yeah, done with the content. So, basically you have a bad read.

I was referring to Beast in EQ with immunity on knock down. With the obligation to knock down b/c flux dispersal.

Even using champs with buffs, intercept play style at 20 stacks of dispersal defender takes 0 damage, none, zilch.

I don’t want to play a heavy counter or special, heavy counter play style to remove flux dispersal. Then when I do, immune to all…

If they make them immune to DOT OR non-Dot debuffs, fine, but not both.

Making a slippery slope argument: imagine the immune to everything buff combined with node that disallows all buffs for 30 sec to a minute.

Why build all this nuance in the game and then lazily write “immune to everything” or “no buffs allowed”

Which is it? Incursions or EQ? I really have no idea what you're referring to and specifically why just Beast?

Ryker

If you played good, you would know.

Immunity buff (immune to everything) is a problem for all the areas of the game.

Beast boss in EQ, science paths, Thronebreaker.

captain_rogers

Gotcha - yeah, done with the content. So, basically you have a bad read.

I was referring to Beast in EQ with immunity on knock down. With the obligation to knock down b/c flux dispersal.

Even using champs with buffs, intercept play style at 20 stacks of dispersal defender takes 0 damage, none, zilch.

I don’t want to play a heavy counter or special, heavy counter play style to remove flux dispersal. Then when I do, immune to all…

If they make them immune to DOT OR non-Dot debuffs, fine, but not both.

Making a slippery slope argument: imagine the immune to everything buff combined with node that disallows all buffs for 30 sec to a minute.

Why build all this nuance in the game and then lazily write “immune to everything” or “no buffs allowed”

That beast is immune to debuffs only for 6 seconds after knock down... You are just crying andd hypocritical, titania literally have similar mechanism which you have no problem with

Demonzfyre

If you played good, you would know.

Immunity buff (immune to everything) is a problem for all the areas of the game.

Beast boss in EQ, science paths, Thronebreaker.

It's the node that after 20 hits they take no damage and become debuffs immune after knockdown? That's your complaint? I ran that path in Map 8 AQ for like a year. Lol git gud

DNA3000

If you played good, you would know.

Immunity buff (immune to everything) is a problem for all the areas of the game.

Beast boss in EQ, science paths, Thronebreaker.

If I recall correctly, Beast in EQ has debuff immunity on knockdown for a few seconds and Flux dispersal which reduces damage from hits. He isn't "immune to everything" and there are specific counters for this. You remove Flux with heavy attacks. And temporary debuff immunity is also mostly a relatively small problem compared to many other more difficult nodes.

I don’t want to play a heavy counter or special, heavy counter play style to remove flux dispersal. Then when I do, immune to all…

Well there's your problem. You claim this kind of fight is "lazy writing" because it is just "immune to everything" but that's not what the fight is at all. The fight specifically challenges you to deal with Flux and Debuff immunity in turns. You remove Flux with heavy, you deal with Debuff immunity for a few seconds after heavy, rinse and repeat. This is a perfectly reasonable way to add difficulty to a fight.

In fact, it is a much better way than the way it used to work. It used to be that higher difficulty fights just had more and more health and attack to get more dangerous and take longer. With fights like this, the more skill you have, the less problematic those nodes are. Flux dispersal can make the fight a real slog, but skilled play can essentially neutralize that node almost completely. And temporary debuff immunity is 90% "can't parry stun for a while" and 10% "maybe don't rely on AA for everything."

Just "immune to everything" is definitely annoying. But "immune to hits unless you get rid of it with heavy" and "immune to debuffs for a while after you heavy" is just a skill check. That's what most players wanted in higher difficulty content - more skill checks, less ridiculous numbers. You're characterizing this fight as a "ridiculous numbers" fight because you either can't or don't enjoy passing the skill checks. That doesn't make the fight design "lazy." Lazy is when they put in less effort than they should. This is more a case of the devs deliberately making a fight you don't like, because it is better for the game as a whole.

Demonzfyre

If you played good, you would know.

Immunity buff (immune to everything) is a problem for all the areas of the game.

Beast boss in EQ, science paths, Thronebreaker.

https://youtu.be/tflb1SPQ-XY

Quite possibly the easiest fight of the entire TB difficulty.

UnOriginal

If you played good, you would know.

Immunity buff (immune to everything) is for all the areas of the game.

Beast boss in EQ, science paths, Thronebreaker.

Fixed