R5 KP or Fury for BGs

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Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

flapjax

R5 KP

Nick is hands down the better defender but I think KP is a much better attack but is also a solid defender.

captain_rogers

R5 KP

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Polygon

Sorry for my typo , I meant to say “needs it more” for fury

Real_Madrid_76_2

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

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Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

Sunspot has debuffs, but I do agree with you. I think if KP’s AI cooperates with the sp1 then its just bait out , punish, repeat

captain_rogers

R5 KP

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

He is definitely killable... But anyone except bishop will take a lot of time (min 90 seconds) and unpredictable ai means opponent has high chances to mess. Nf is killable at 60s with right counter.

captain_rogers

R5 KP

Polygon said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

Sunspot has debuffs, but I do agree with you. I think if KP’s AI cooperates with the sp1 then its just bait out , punish, repeat

Sunspot is actually good... You don't need to spam heavies as kp purifies it and sunspot get a lot of power, pretty easy matchup for him

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captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

Sunspot has debuffs, but I do agree with you. I think if KP’s AI cooperates with the sp1 then its just bait out , punish, repeat

Sunspot is actually good... You don't need to spam heavies as kp purifies it and sunspot get a lot of power, pretty easy matchup for him

Thats a good point, just realized that would make him a beast for baron. Not sure about attuma

SammyDe

R5 Fury

Fury is quite a good attacker as well. I will still ascend my rank 5 Nick next but I can see why KingPin can drag the fight longer if he doesn’t want to throw his special. My KP is only rank 4 and still in the process of getting max sig, he will get rank 5 one day eventually…

zuffy

R5 KP

I draft KP everytime he is available. Better attacker and pretty decent as defender.

kevhugo

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Personally I'm gonna have to disagree, Kingpin can be taken by most champs, preferably one's without a lot of debuffs, but with a good counter (bishop, storm x, juggs) he's a breeze. However, even with a solid counter, it's easier for things to go wrong with Nick, could be due to the unblockable or stun immunity or just having to deal with a second life.

BeastDad

R5 KP

Always go with the better attacker.

FrostGiantLord

R5 Fury

Definitely NF IMO, especially for BGs. NF has a second life when awakened, which is very useful to clutch up BG matches. His bleeds also deal insane amounts of damage, especially when LMD is activated. NF is definitely the god of BGs. KP is great, and he can shrug off most debuffs, but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

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FrostGiantLord said:

but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

Elaborate as many here including those that voted NF can agree that KP is the better attacker.

I’m assuming for starters that DW is at 5/5 as he’s very slow without DW in his first form

jcphillips7

Polygon said:

FrostGiantLord said:

but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

Elaborate as many here including those that voted NF can agree that KP is the better attacker.

I’m assuming for starters that DW is at 5/5 as he’s very slow without DW in his first form

For me personally, I've had 5/5 DW since the mastery released. It's always a staple of my kit, along with 3/3 Despair and 4/5 MD. Obviously when I switch to recoil masteries some of those have to go down a couple notches, but I'm always confused when endgamers don't have max DW in their masteries. I always thought that was a given, so no clue what they're using their mastery points on if it isn't 'cides.

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jcphillips7 said:

Polygon said:

FrostGiantLord said:

but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

Elaborate as many here including those that voted NF can agree that KP is the better attacker.

I’m assuming for starters that DW is at 5/5 as he’s very slow without DW in his first form

For me personally, I've had 5/5 DW since the mastery released. It's always a staple of my kit, along with 3/3 Despair and 4/5 MD. Obviously when I switch to recoil masteries some of those have to go down a couple notches, but I'm always confused when endgamers don't have max DW in their masteries. I always thought that was a given, so no clue what they're using their mastery points on if it isn't 'cides.

I have maxed stand your ground, limber , MD, and petrify.

@jcphillips7
I think max petrify is more important than max deep wounds as it benefits more champions than just the very small amount that can inflict bleed. Especially in BGs there isnt really that many bleed champs that most players run in their deck.

captain_rogers

R5 KP

Polygon said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

captain_rogers said:

Polygon said:

Thinking fury beeds, but curious if KP is still the most popular outcome

Trust me kingpin gets you more kill on defense than nf. Also people don't ban him, a max nick is instaban. People don't know, but actually people struggle a lot against kingpin.

Really? Hulkling herc galan bishop sunspot chavez hit monkey and literally so many more can easily counter him. He is nothing except enhanced combat power rate. And champs who either dont rely on too many debuffs or can counter purify are great against him

Sunspot has debuffs, but I do agree with you. I think if KP’s AI cooperates with the sp1 then its just bait out , punish, repeat

Sunspot is actually good... You don't need to spam heavies as kp purifies it and sunspot get a lot of power, pretty easy matchup for him

Thats a good point, just realized that would make him a beast for baron. Not sure about attuma

Nah attuma gains a lot of concussions and become more annoying

jcphillips7

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

Polygon said:

FrostGiantLord said:

but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

Elaborate as many here including those that voted NF can agree that KP is the better attacker.

I’m assuming for starters that DW is at 5/5 as he’s very slow without DW in his first form

For me personally, I've had 5/5 DW since the mastery released. It's always a staple of my kit, along with 3/3 Despair and 4/5 MD. Obviously when I switch to recoil masteries some of those have to go down a couple notches, but I'm always confused when endgamers don't have max DW in their masteries. I always thought that was a given, so no clue what they're using their mastery points on if it isn't 'cides.

I have maxed stand your ground, limber , MD, and petrify.

@jcphillips7
I think max petrify is more important than max deep wounds as it benefits more champions than just the very small amount that can inflict bleed. Especially in BGs there isnt really that many bleed champs that most players run in their deck.

@Polygon oh, I run max petrify and SYG as well. I’ve tried maxed Limber before and it’s nice, but I know the usual goal is to try not get stunned, so I never really saw it shine that much.

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jcphillips7 said:

Polygon said:

jcphillips7 said:

Polygon said:

FrostGiantLord said:

but NF finishes fights extremely quickly, which is another useful trait in BGs.

Elaborate as many here including those that voted NF can agree that KP is the better attacker.

I’m assuming for starters that DW is at 5/5 as he’s very slow without DW in his first form

For me personally, I've had 5/5 DW since the mastery released. It's always a staple of my kit, along with 3/3 Despair and 4/5 MD. Obviously when I switch to recoil masteries some of those have to go down a couple notches, but I'm always confused when endgamers don't have max DW in their masteries. I always thought that was a given, so no clue what they're using their mastery points on if it isn't 'cides.

I have maxed stand your ground, limber , MD, and petrify.

@jcphillips7
I think max petrify is more important than max deep wounds as it benefits more champions than just the very small amount that can inflict bleed. Especially in BGs there isnt really that many bleed champs that most players run in their deck.

@Polygon oh, I run max petrify and SYG as well. I’ve tried maxed Limber before and it’s nice, but I know the usual goal is to try not get stunned, so I never really saw it shine that much.

Its for defense , gives enemy less time to capitalize on a parry in BGs.

You find max petrify worth it? CGR only needs 1 but for other parry heavy champs like AA it can prevent a good amount of power gain. Not sure if its worth maxing for a champ that isnt parry heavy.

Polygon

Those that voted fury what do your defensive and utility mastery tree look like?