Deep wound mastery VS Morbius.

Daddrieda

Morbius can’t die from direct damage as his kit explained. Me and my alliance mates were texting back and forth in our group chat not understanding why Morbius in paragon Gauntlet did not want to be defeated despite the player using Nick Fury as an attacker. We came to the conclusion that the Deep wound mastery in its explanation does a direct damage.

We got a little mad about it not knowing what to do about it as deep wound is needed for some champion’s kit to be further improved with bleeding the opponent and so on, but can’t use it against Morbius?

I’d like to suggest if kabam could change the deep wound mastery and not make it a direct damage or is it another method to reset the mastery back and forth when fighting against Morbius?

AverageDesi

He only can't die FROM direct damage. You can still hit and kill him. I used Nick all times and killed him by hitting him. Doesn't matter even if he is bleeding

AverageDesi

Also, it's not just deep wounds. Bleeds are also direct damage.

Daddrieda

So you can still defeat him by hitting into his block when using Nick fury or any other champion as long the player don’t inflict a bleed DOT since with deep wound active it would stop Morbius from dying as it’s direct damage?

The player meet an issue when fighting Morbius in paragon Gauntlet and used Nick fury. The Bleed DOT was there, but somehow morbius did not want to die 🤔 could it be because the instant bleed damage from deep wound was active at the moment of the DOT impact somehow bypassed the mechanics? Having hard time to explain this as I have not any video to further show more.

Daddrieda

AverageDesi said:

Also, it's not just deep wounds. Bleeds are also direct damage.

I missed this information when I was writing my reply.

Interesting so the bleed DOT counts as a direct damage? I feel like I missed this information somewhere that it has always been a direct damage.

AverageDesi

Daddrieda said:

AverageDesi said:

Also, it's not just deep wounds. Bleeds are also direct damage.

I missed this information when I was writing my reply.

Interesting so the bleed DOT counts as a direct damage? I feel like I missed this information somewhere that it has always been a direct damage.

Direct damage just means it's not affected by physical or energy resistance. Since bleed damage is neither physical not energy, it falls under that.

Btw, the direct damage in deep wounds is also bleed damage.

AverageDesi

Daddrieda said:

So you can still defeat him by hitting into his block when using Nick fury or any other champion as long the player don’t inflict a bleed DOT since with deep wound active it would stop Morbius from dying as it’s direct damage?

The player meet an issue when fighting Morbius in paragon Gauntlet and used Nick fury. The Bleed DOT was there, but somehow morbius did not want to die 🤔 could it be because the instant bleed damage from deep wound was active at the moment of the DOT impact somehow bypassed the mechanics? Having hard time to explain this as I have not any video to further show more.

He won't die just from bleed. You have to still hit him once he reaches 1%

AverageDesi

Btw , is this infiG

Daddrieda

AverageDesi said:

Btw , is this infiG

It is.

Daddrieda

AverageDesi said:

Daddrieda said:

So you can still defeat him by hitting into his block when using Nick fury or any other champion as long the player don’t inflict a bleed DOT since with deep wound active it would stop Morbius from dying as it’s direct damage?

The player meet an issue when fighting Morbius in paragon Gauntlet and used Nick fury. The Bleed DOT was there, but somehow morbius did not want to die 🤔 could it be because the instant bleed damage from deep wound was active at the moment of the DOT impact somehow bypassed the mechanics? Having hard time to explain this as I have not any video to further show more.

He won't die just from bleed. You have to still hit him once he reaches 1%

So it’s all down to the timing to wait out the bleed duration to finish its course and then hit into block to fully defeat Morbius.

AverageDesi

Daddrieda said:

AverageDesi said:

Btw , is this infiG

It is.

Ahhh... Who's having the issue? Say hi to the folks over there for me?

Daddrieda

But it’s a bit confusing because it does not state anywhere in Nick Fury’s kit that his bleed is an instant bleed.

AverageDesi

Daddrieda said:

AverageDesi said:

Daddrieda said:

So you can still defeat him by hitting into his block when using Nick fury or any other champion as long the player don’t inflict a bleed DOT since with deep wound active it would stop Morbius from dying as it’s direct damage?

The player meet an issue when fighting Morbius in paragon Gauntlet and used Nick fury. The Bleed DOT was there, but somehow morbius did not want to die 🤔 could it be because the instant bleed damage from deep wound was active at the moment of the DOT impact somehow bypassed the mechanics? Having hard time to explain this as I have not any video to further show more.

He won't die just from bleed. You have to still hit him once he reaches 1%

So it’s all down to the timing to wait out the bleed duration to finish its course and then hit into block to fully defeat Morbius.

No need. Just hit him like normal

AverageDesi

https://youtu.be/el582y_XL1o?si=5QsCSIIjgyXnz9Qk


Here you go

Pikolu

Daddrieda said:

But it’s a bit confusing because it does not state anywhere in Nick Fury’s kit that his bleed is an instant bleed.

Deep wounds causes an instant bleed when the opponent has less health than you.

Daddrieda

I see. We believe that the player faced some kind of a small bug using Nick fury VS morbius. Eventually he won and went again for a second path round and this time Morbius was defeated with no issue. We assumed that there was some kind of missed interaction that the game thought Nick’s bleed was an instant bleed but does not specify in his kit that it is.

ZanyDruid0702

Hey, I’m the person facing the issue when I used my NF against morb i just took him down to lower health but this is where it gets confusing I ended the fight in a combo I think a MLLLL and waited for him to just die from bleed but it went from 2% to 1% where morb came across and destroyed me from like 30% hp but he remained at 1% better yet at 1 hit point surely the 2 bleeds I had on him would have still done damage to kill?

Ortoun

He can not die to direct damage effects, hence undying.. they really should give it a pop up that better explains what it does

Daddrieda

Pikolu said:

Daddrieda said:

But it’s a bit confusing because it does not state anywhere in Nick Fury’s kit that his bleed is an instant bleed.

Deep wounds causes an instant bleed when the opponent has less health than you.

But deep wound mastery can only happen to fusion it with a bleed DOT that successfully activated it and only on just that hit while the rest of the remaining Bleed DOT duration should behave normally while not continuing staying fusion with the deep wound mastery?

Daddrieda

Ortoun said:

He can not die to direct damage effects, hence undying.. they really should give it a pop up that better explains what it does

That is the confusing part from our side. If nick’s kit specify that his bleed DOT is not an instant bleed and if you choose to let Morbius die from the Bleed Dot while dashing back and not doing anything else except letting the DOT finish the fight then morbius should die, no? Unless @ZanyDruid0702 had some small bug.

Ortoun

No bug, if he is awakened, he can only die to being hit

ZanyDruid0702

That’s what I’m confused about to in no where in his kit also does it say that bleed damage is instant so morb should have died from me leaving him bleed from the active ones on him?

Ortoun

Not sure where you guys are getting instant from, maybe think of it this way, if it does red numbers, it can't kill him, that's dot effects, burst damage, that kind of stuff. You literally have to deal the final hit with an attack.

DarkEternity

ZanyDruid0702 said:

That’s what I’m confused about to in no where in his kit also does it say that bleed damage is instant so morb should have died from me leaving him bleed from the active ones on him?

Bleed, no matter what kind, will never kill Morbius. You can still hit him to kill him, his undying passive does not prevent death from HITS just death from DIRECT DAMAGE.
Direct Damage includes:
Degen
(Certain) Thorns
Bleed
Poison
Or anything not specified to be physical or energy DoT/Instant Damage. If it’s not physical or energy, it is direct.

Pikolu

ZanyDruid0702 said:

That’s what I’m confused about to in no where in his kit also does it say that bleed damage is instant so morb should have died from me leaving him bleed from the active ones on him?

Morbius cannot die from Direct damage which includes every DoT under the sun. So ask yourself this question, "am I trying to kill morbius with red numbers?" If the answer to that question is Yes, then slap yourself in the face and realize that morbius awakened cannot die to red numbers of literally any kind. Doesn't matter if it is instant. It doesn't matter if you're using void It doesn't matter if they have recoil. Morbius can NOT die to red numbers of any kind. Literally just hit him one more time and he is dead.

Daddrieda

DarkEternity said:

ZanyDruid0702 said:

That’s what I’m confused about to in no where in his kit also does it say that bleed damage is instant so morb should have died from me leaving him bleed from the active ones on him?

Bleed, no matter what kind, will never kill Morbius. You can still hit him to kill him, his undying passive does not prevent death from HITS just death from DIRECT DAMAGE.
Direct Damage includes:
Degen
(Certain) Thorns
Bleed
Poison
Or anything not specified to be physical or energy DoT/Instant Damage. If it’s not physical or energy, it is direct.

This makes more sense.

Daddrieda

Thank you all for shedding wisdom! Wish you all great weekend.

zbot34

Daddrieda said:

Morbius can’t die from direct damage as his kit explained. Me and my alliance mates were texting back and forth in our group chat not understanding why Morbius in paragon Gauntlet did not want to be defeated despite the player using Nick Fury as an attacker. We came to the conclusion that the Deep wound mastery in its explanation does a direct damage.

We got a little mad about it not knowing what to do about it as deep wound is needed for some champion’s kit to be further improved with bleeding the opponent and so on, but can’t use it against Morbius?

I’d like to suggest if kabam could change the deep wound mastery and not make it a direct damage or is it another method to reset the mastery back and forth when fighting against Morbius?

Hmm this is a quandary for sure. I think you just need to Git Gud my friend. Play better! Teehee I kid I kid. I joke my alliance mate. I couldn't resist

Daddrieda

zbot34 said:

Daddrieda said:

Morbius can’t die from direct damage as his kit explained. Me and my alliance mates were texting back and forth in our group chat not understanding why Morbius in paragon Gauntlet did not want to be defeated despite the player using Nick Fury as an attacker. We came to the conclusion that the Deep wound mastery in its explanation does a direct damage.

We got a little mad about it not knowing what to do about it as deep wound is needed for some champion’s kit to be further improved with bleeding the opponent and so on, but can’t use it against Morbius?

I’d like to suggest if kabam could change the deep wound mastery and not make it a direct damage or is it another method to reset the mastery back and forth when fighting against Morbius?

Hmm this is a quandary for sure. I think you just need to Git Gud my friend. Play better! Teehee I kid I kid. I joke my alliance mate. I couldn't resist

I got roasted 😂

AverageDesi

zbot34 said:

Daddrieda said:

Morbius can’t die from direct damage as his kit explained. Me and my alliance mates were texting back and forth in our group chat not understanding why Morbius in paragon Gauntlet did not want to be defeated despite the player using Nick Fury as an attacker. We came to the conclusion that the Deep wound mastery in its explanation does a direct damage.

We got a little mad about it not knowing what to do about it as deep wound is needed for some champion’s kit to be further improved with bleeding the opponent and so on, but can’t use it against Morbius?

I’d like to suggest if kabam could change the deep wound mastery and not make it a direct damage or is it another method to reset the mastery back and forth when fighting against Morbius?

Hmm this is a quandary for sure. I think you just need to Git Gud my friend. Play better! Teehee I kid I kid. I joke my alliance mate. I couldn't resist

You're in infiG? When how why

AverageDesi

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