Kabam 👏 on the 2 new Native American champs incoming..now how about some Muslim/Arab champions

heirDEZ

Monet st. Croix
Amulet
Dust

peixemacaco

I think you must know McoC first

Sundance_2099

well, more wouldn't be bad...

AverageDesi

What a timing 💀

captain_rogers

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

Maat1985

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

WOLF_LINK

Why not, Amulet and Dust look interesting.

predatorr

Ne mutlu türküm diyene

Rugbyman371

Maat1985 said:

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

Considering they scrapped a buff for a Russian character during the start of the Russia Ukraine conflict, he’s right.

Lokx

Rugbyman371 said:

Maat1985 said:

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

Considering they scrapped a buff for a Russian character during the start of the Russia Ukraine conflict, he’s right.

There is a big difference categorising russia and arabs. One is a country the other is a ethnic group. It would be the same if they decided to stop updating character of all Slavic ethnicity

Eb0ny-O-M4w

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

captain_rogers

Maat1985 said:

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

Obviously not all arabs are Palestinians. Ik it very well, but how could you explain it to common summoners? Most of em probably have this misconception. Also they scrapped red guardian buff due to ukraine/russian war. So it is unlikely for them to introduce to arab based marvel character in the current scenario.

captain_rogers

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

Colinwhitworth69

Agree.

Terra

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

🙄

Polygon

What about Anton Vanko (Crimson Dynamo) (Earth-616), an Armenian champ?

Oh wait, i forgot, people only know of whats going on with Israel/Pali and not Armenia/Azerbaijan

BigBlueOx

Love the point, hate the use of self righteous clapping in real life or emojis. It doesn’t prove your argument it just makes you look like a childish clown.

Jefechuta

Polygon said:

What about Anton Vanko (Crimson Dynamo) (Earth-616), an Armenian champ?

Oh wait, i forgot, people only know of whats going on with Israel/Pali and not Armenia/Azerbaijan

And it's literally the only one Marvel has btw

Chobbly

I'd like Ms Marvel (Kamala Khan) to get a decent buff first, to be honest.

DrZola

Goal: Good champs that are fun to play and effective at clearing content.

Method: Marvel has a wonderfully diverse palette of champs from all kinds of backgrounds. The game team has shown a willingness to reach deep into Marvel lore for sometimes obscure champs and pull them into the game (think FAM, Rintrah, Mangog, Aarkus, Masacre among others). The game team has also demonstrated a respectable ability to draw from Marvel influences and design interesting original champs.

Conclusion: There is no shortage of personalities and powers to draw from in the Marvel Universe, so there’s not a great reason to leave anyone or anywhere or anywhen out. Just design enjoyable and useful champs and players tend to get over whatever issues they may have. The top of my roster is chock full of champs who look nothing like me—and that’s cool.

Dr. Zola

GroundedWisdom

Terra said:

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

🙄

They're right. Although I wouldn't say it's special representation. It's just representation. The fact that it seems special highlights the lack of visibility.
Games have always drawn elements of real-world issues. These are the things people look towards to see themselves in a different light. Intolerance goes deep. We still see remnants of this with gender. Some people believe superheroes should only be male, albeit subversively. At the end of the day, visibility matters. Especially to those who have been underrepresented.

infektedmushroom

Just remember, it only takes 1 kid to p!ss in the pool to ruin the party. Not all of anything is bad, whether it’s Arab, Muslim, or American. It’s just that as a society we only see and hear about the hate and the kids who are the p!ssers. Everyone is so damn worked up about everything. Wouldn’t it be amazing if we could be as good at love as we are at hate?

007Bishop

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

I understand representation and inclusivity matters but how exactly does it help people in this game? As a person of colour myself, I frankly would not care if they added champs that belong to the same race as me. Is the highest rarity of the champ going to be available to everyone that belongs to that particular race/region? Does it help fight inequality in the real world? Please explain how representation matters here?

Wicket329

As we all know, a character does not need to be well known to be an absolute monster in this game (Ghost, CGR, Hulkling, Nimrod, BWCV, the list goes on for miles).

That’s why I’ve never understood the “just make good champions” counterpoint. We all want that. Nobody’s asking for a champ to be made badly. If OP had said “hey, these are some of my personal favorite characters and I’d love to see them in the game,” nobody would bat an eye. But because OP said that representation is part of why they are some of their favorites, suddenly the quality of the champion is brought into question. It doesn’t make sense.

Representation does not matter to everybody the same way. That’s totally fine. I can say that when I see a champion from my community, it makes me happy, and I hope that people from other communities get to experience that as well.

captain_rogers

007Bishop said:

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

I understand representation and inclusivity matters but how exactly does it help people in this game? As a person of colour myself, I frankly would not care if they added champs that belong to the same race as me. Is the highest rarity of the champ going to be available to everyone that belongs to that particular race/region? Does it help fight inequality in the real world? Please explain how representation matters here?

I think maybe representation of various characters help the player to relate with their particular character... Representation matters for the same reason we celebrate pride month in the game. It gives a sense of inclusivity for different players. I actually couldn't think a reason to say how is it going to fight inequality in real life. Obviously you have a point, Even I agree that representation in a game is not going to change any inequality in real life. But it may help the player to relate with a character of shared identity. (sounds silly but back in 2019 My irl friend who suggested this game, used to have kamala khan profile pic because her name sounds " Indian". )

captain_rogers

Wicket329 said:

As we all know, a character does not need to be well known to be an absolute monster in this game (Ghost, CGR, Hulkling, Nimrod, BWCV, the list goes on for miles).

That’s why I’ve never understood the “just make good champions” counterpoint. We all want that. Nobody’s asking for a champ to be made badly. If OP had said “hey, these are some of my personal favorite characters and I’d love to see them in the game,” nobody would bat an eye. But because OP said that representation is part of why they are some of their favorites, suddenly the quality of the champion is brought into question. It doesn’t make sense.

Representation does not matter to everybody the same way. That’s totally fine. I can say that when I see a champion from my community, it makes me happy, and I hope that people from other communities get to experience that as well.

Exactly. People always question merit when someone says about diversity and representation. Both in game and real life.
It's not like we are going to introduce a trash champ or someone outside of marvel universe in the name of diversity. Lol.

Ruwqiersa

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

What inequality those minorities faced that somehow related to them being in this game meaning anything important?

Deepworld

Rugbyman371 said:

Maat1985 said:

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

Considering they scrapped a buff for a Russian character during the start of the Russia Ukraine conflict, he’s right.

Wait who were they going to buff?

GroundedWisdom

Ruwqiersa said:

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

What inequality those minorities faced that somehow related to them being in this game meaning anything important?

It's important in all of life.

Wicket329

Deepworld said:

Rugbyman371 said:

Maat1985 said:

captain_rogers said:

Due to ongoing war, releasing an arab champ may be inappropriate currently.

sterotyping all arabs under the umbrella of hamas is not good to do, nor is it accurate, nor does it have any basis in any logic.

Considering they scrapped a buff for a Russian character during the start of the Russia Ukraine conflict, he’s right.

Wait who were they going to buff?

They never confirmed who, but it was most likely Red Guardian. That is a unique situation in that Red Guardian is specifically an avatar of Russian imperialistic aggression. He is a soldier of his government, and that same real world government had just launched an imperialistic invasion. It was all just too on the nose.

Ruwqiersa

GroundedWisdom said:

Ruwqiersa said:

captain_rogers said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

We need champs defined by their popularity, not by their race or other close to meaningless stuff like sexuality

Nah representation is important. Not every race/sexuality had equal opportunity since the beginning, so we need to give special representations to specific under represented groups. So definitely we need champs with diverse backgrounds from minority/under represented communities.

What inequality those minorities faced that somehow related to them being in this game meaning anything important?

It's important in all of life.

What?