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7* Mantis or Black Cat for R2
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Most probably dont have black cat yet and may vote mantis just because of this, but objectively who benefits more .
Main purpose is BGs but I’ve not done 8.3 or 7 star Carina yet
Main purpose is BGs but I’ve not done 8.3 or 7 star Carina yet
7* Mantis or Black Cat for R2 131 votes
Black Cat
73%
96 votes
Mantis
26%
35 votes
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Dr. Zola
Still love Black cat to death, but I think Mantis is the better Photon counter and I'm terrified of her both in war and BGs.
I wasnt expecting this since I said my focus was BGs. I guess it’s because despite Mantis being more of a dual threat and better for damage output,that Black Cat shuts down more tricky defenders than Mantis does?
Black Cat, meanwhile, really benefits from the extra rank. She gets about a 25% increase to her direct damage when punishing defensive abilities. That means 25% less hits (after her SP2) needed to KO an opponent in BG. I find that much more useful than Mantis just KO'ing her opponents a little more thoroughly than at r1.
For everything besides BG I’d rank up Black Cat
I probably missed a few things, but even if I didn't, she counters a ton of nodes where something happens when you hit your opponent. For example, last season in BG, you had the "the opponent gains prowess when you use the same attack twice in row against them" node, and that's perfect for her since she can completely shut it down and punish opponents whenever that prowess fails to trigger. This season, you have a node where certain mystic champions place placebo buffs on you whenever you strike them. That, too, is a perfect node for her.
Overall, she's a fantastic BG champion. Suuuuuuper underrated.
Her DAAR only works when shes attacking them right? So the shrug offs would only be for like bleeds and not parries? the abilities don’t specify that its only when attacking, just says sabotage debuff and combo meter, so i would think its not only when attacking.
But if its only when attacking, then you have to be careful with some of them like for e.g MT as if youre not attacking, can still take the poisons?
Does she work well for Void, QS, or Jessica?
Also what did you mean by take it slow to the sp2?
And lastly thanks for mentioning the nodes, I was curious if it worked on those too, i was going to ask about it with the example of flux dispersal or special delivery
Regarding shrug-offs, yes, exactly. Those aren't her best matches since there's a 40% chance that they'll shrug off your Sabotage debuff when you place it in the first place, but if it sticks, all of your bleeds will stick as well and you'll do extra damage when they fail to be shrugged off. The one shrugger I'd be wary off is Kingpin since he has his "when he gets 8 debuffs on him, he purifies them" ability kind of hardcoded into him. You won't be able to DAAR that away, and you'll lose both the Sabotage debuff and all of your bleeds, and he'll go unblockable and get a massive attack increase and all other kinds of stuff that happens when he gets his Overpower buff.
Exactly. Man-Thing has a 15% chance to nullify buffs off you when you make contact. You can prevent this from happening when you hit him, but if he hits you, the chance is still there. So don't get hit.
Void's debuffs aren't defensive abilities so she can't shut down those. However, she does have Cleanse on her SP1 (and inflated combos that make it much easier to reach stacks of ten hits), so she could maybe still be a solid counter. Haven't really tried, though. As for Quicksilver, yes, she can work. You just have to be careful with his evade. What I mean about taking it slow when facing evade champions is that you need to be wary of the fact that you don't actually turn it off until you place the Sabotage debuff. They always have a chance to evade until then (even if it gets smaller and smaller with each hit in your combo), so you have to be on edge and look out for it so that you don't get caught by it.
I can't really say if she's good for Jessica Jones in general because there simply aren't enough Jessicas in the game for me to have tried her out a lot, but I did use my Black Cat vs Jessica when she first came to the game and Black Cat absolutely melted her.
As for Black Cat working on nodes as well, yes, that's one of her strongest features. That means she can punish almost every champion in the game if they are standing on a node that gives them anything. Her DAAR is super powerful.
I think you’ve all sold me on Black Cat, she might be the best skill 7* in the game , probably better than Crossbones too.
But one thing I’m curious and want to ask you is if your views won’t change if i told you I was only running 1 point in deep wounds. I recently decided to drop 3 points in it to max out the Inequity mastery as I thought it benefited more champs. (Debuff stackers instead of just the small amount of bleed champs). I’m still experimenting with Inequity, not sure if Deep Wounds is more important overall.
She can still deal a lot of bleed damage and in those fights, DW would be preferred. But she'd still be perfectly viable for all of the match-ups I mentioned without a single point in that particular mastery.
Edit: oh, and Inequity is a great mastery! It might not matter much for Black Cat specifically but there are a lot of champions out there that can really use it to their advantage. Plus, it can be super annoying for your opponents to face in BG, for example.
So her rotation for BGs /Story is to just get to sp2 and throw it when the card is on you? No need to weave in heavies to pass the card back and forth?