So Kabam want us to forget how disappointing the Summoner Choice champion was!!

07Noyon

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

07Noyon

@Kabam Miike

BringPopcorn

Yes

PT_99

I hope buff on gladiator will actually make him usable at least because by gods, he sucks ass currently.
(I hope Kabam make him OP in reasonable conditions)

Colinwhitworth69

07Noyon said:

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

WTF are you babbling about?

"Inclusion"?
"Afraid of Hercules?"
"if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better"?

Are you drunk or something?

RonSwanson

Colinwhitworth69 said:

07Noyon said:

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

WTF are you babbling about?

"Inclusion"?
"Afraid of Hercules?"
"if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better"?

Are you drunk or something?

I needed a drink after reading the OP

EdisonLaw

07Noyon said:

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

OP, do you ever think about why Nick Fury, a guy with a gun is better than the man with the power of a million exploding suns (Sentry)?
Or why is Kate Bishop (Hawkeye's protege), is a much better champion than Hawkeye?
Or why skill champs have class advantage over science and science has the advantage against mystic?
Or why does Dormammu, a freaking HELL lord isn't incinerate immune and can be beaten by Human Torch, as well as Scorpion, a SPIDERMAN villain?

Kabam is making all of these decisions for the greater good. Even if Gladiator is buffed, he won't be as strong as Hercules @PT_99

Zuro

At least wait for his rebalancing before complaining

Lokx

This thread is pointless whining. There have been a few champs released this year that need or needed a buff. Just wait for them to get around to announcing the reworks like they always do. If they plan to not buff gladiator then complain.

Marvelfan30

This is why we shouldve gone white tiger

EdisonLaw

@Marvelfan30 Did they say which class would she be in? Mystic, skill, etc?

Buttehrs

EdisonLaw said:

07Noyon said:

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

OP, do you ever think about why Nick Fury, a guy with a gun is better than the man with the power of a million exploding suns (Sentry)?
Or why is Kate Bishop (Hawkeye's protege), is a much better champion than Hawkeye?
Or why skill champs have class advantage over science and science has the advantage against mystic?
Or why does Dormammu, a freaking HELL lord isn't incinerate immune and can be beaten by Human Torch, as well as Scorpion, a SPIDERMAN villain?

Kabam is making all of these decisions for the greater good. Even if Gladiator is buffed, he won't be as strong as Hercules @PT_99

Did you really just say dormammu is a hell lord? That's wrong af. He's a lord over a other dimension but it's not he'll. It's the dark dimension. Two vastly different things. Now mephisto, that's a hell lord.

EdisonLaw

He’s a dark lord, a literal ruler of a dark dimension, which is different but similar

PT_99

EdisonLaw said:

07Noyon said:

We get it Kabam is afraid of Hercules so much that they are making everything anti Hercules. Incursion is that way most of the time. But they are even not up to the task to design a summoner choice character. Is there is any doubt that Gladiator is the worst champion of this year. Every champion this year was good. To be honest this year Kabam did the best possible job. But when it came to summoner choice what was that. Seriously? That much powerful character is just a trash!

I am sure that if he wasn't a summoner choice character he would have been much better.

Hope Kabam will not run away from their blunder, this should be fixed before the years end.

OP, do you ever think about why Nick Fury, a guy with a gun is better than the man with the power of a million exploding suns (Sentry)?
Or why is Kate Bishop (Hawkeye's protege), is a much better champion than Hawkeye?
Or why skill champs have class advantage over science and science has the advantage against mystic?
Or why does Dormammu, a freaking HELL lord isn't incinerate immune and can be beaten by Human Torch, as well as Scorpion, a SPIDERMAN villain?

Kabam is making all of these decisions for the greater good. Even if Gladiator is buffed, he won't be as strong as Hercules @PT_99

Bro please, his damage is as good as Hyperion with only 2 fury buffs. And that's ridiculously bad, like a champion so old, unramped is outshining the damage of a hero who players voted.

EdisonLaw

@PT_99 still waiting for Glads to get that tune up and finally live up to the summoner’s choice champ hype

BigPoppaCBONE

Marvelfan30 said:

This is why we shouldve gone white tiger

Obviously White Tiger would have made Hercules look like Groot. She would've been all things to all players. The same deciders that looked at Gladiator and thought "This is good stuff right here! Send it!" would have totally flipped the script with White Tiger. Obviously. 🙄

SirGamesBond

Change his damn AI Please.
We Summoners suffer against AI already.

Emilia90

BigPoppaCBONE said:

Marvelfan30 said:

This is why we shouldve gone white tiger

Obviously White Tiger would have made Hercules look like Groot. She would've been all things to all players. The same deciders that looked at Gladiator and thought "This is good stuff right here! Send it!" would have totally flipped the script with White Tiger. Obviously. 🙄

White Tiger’s kit sounded interesting and unique at least. White Tiger should’ve won but people wanted another Herc, and that’s my problem with it. Plus she looks cooler lol

DNA3000

This is one I am perfectly happy letting Miike tackle. That's why he gets the big bucks.

Kabam Jax

Observing the Summoner's Choice campaign was definitely an interesting process; I think it put on display a lot of community instincts.

We did say, repeatedly, do not vote for who you think would be most powerful, because inevitably the kits would vary and the team was very upfront with not making another Hercules.

We saw a lot of chatter along the lines of "vote for Gladiator because Cosmics are all broken" to which we, again, were very clear that would not be the case.

Now, whether or not he's the most/least powerful/useful champ of the year is for each of you to decide, but I think we need to do away with the thinking of "Summoner's Choice will be a completely OP champion" and "vote for Cosmics because they'll be Hercules 2.0." If you're noticing a trend of trying to build the game in a way that doesn't allow Hercules to roll through everything, it might also be a strange expectation to set for the next champion to match Hercules.

Siliyo

Kabam Jax said:

Observing the Summoner's Choice campaign was definitely an interesting process; I think it put on display a lot of community instincts.

We did say, repeatedly, do not vote for who you think would be most powerful, because inevitably the kits would vary and the team was very upfront with not making another Hercules.

We saw a lot of chatter along the lines of "vote for Gladiator because Cosmics are all broken" to which we, again, were very clear that would not be the case.

Now, whether or not he's the most/least powerful/useful champ of the year is for each of you to decide, but I think we need to do away with the thinking of "Summoner's Choice will be a completely OP champion" and "vote for Cosmics because they'll be Hercules 2.0." If you're noticing a trend of trying to build the game in a way that doesn't allow Hercules to roll through everything, it might also be a strange expectation to set for the next champion to match Hercules.

You can give the PR response all you want Jaxon, but the reality is: it would be absurd to expect Hercules 2.0. However, you know who’s a Summoner’s Choice champ that stands on his two feet? Quicksilver. I think the fact that Gladiator isn’t a Quicksilver 2.0 is the problem.

Marvelfan30

EdisonLaw said:

@Marvelfan30 Did they say which class would she be in? Mystic, skill, etc?

Mystic she would've been mystic

ahmynuts

Kabam Jax said:

Observing the Summoner's Choice campaign was definitely an interesting process; I think it put on display a lot of community instincts.

We did say, repeatedly, do not vote for who you think would be most powerful, because inevitably the kits would vary and the team was very upfront with not making another Hercules.

We saw a lot of chatter along the lines of "vote for Gladiator because Cosmics are all broken" to which we, again, were very clear that would not be the case.

Now, whether or not he's the most/least powerful/useful champ of the year is for each of you to decide, but I think we need to do away with the thinking of "Summoner's Choice will be a completely OP champion" and "vote for Cosmics because they'll be Hercules 2.0." If you're noticing a trend of trying to build the game in a way that doesn't allow Hercules to roll through everything, it might also be a strange expectation to set for the next champion to match Hercules.

Forget about him being OP, he isn't even P. He sucks. He is a bad champ and that is what everyone is upset about, not that he isn't broken like hercules, hell he isn't even half as good as quicksilver which everyone was fine with not being close to hercules

Drago_von_Drago

There is a wide gap between Herc and Gladiator’s current state.

I don’t think anyone truly expected Gladiator to be on par with Herc. I think most of us expected him to be in the debate for a top 10 cosmic, maybe pushing top 5 cosmic.

Quicksilver seemed like a reasonable level for a Summoners Choice champ. If the goal was for Gladiator to be on that level and he just needs rebalanced to get there that’s great. If the goal was for Gladiator to be how he currently is I think you’ll see a lot less enthusiasm for the next Summoner’s Choice vote.

Marvelfan30

Drago_von_Drago said:

There is a wide gap between Herc and Gladiator’s current state.

I don’t think anyone truly expected Gladiator to be on par with Herc. I think most of us expected him to be in the debate for a top 10 cosmic, maybe pushing top 5 cosmic.

Quicksilver seemed like a reasonable level for a Summoners Choice champ. If the goal was for Gladiator to be on that level and he just needs rebalanced to get there that’s great. If the goal was for Gladiator to be how he currently is I think you’ll see a lot less enthusiasm for the next Summoner’s Choice vote.

Maybe ppl will be smart next time and not vote cosmic Instead vote any other class that's not cosmic or science unless science is really interesting

Bendy

Marvelfan30 said:

Drago_von_Drago said:

There is a wide gap between Herc and Gladiator’s current state.

I don’t think anyone truly expected Gladiator to be on par with Herc. I think most of us expected him to be in the debate for a top 10 cosmic, maybe pushing top 5 cosmic.

Quicksilver seemed like a reasonable level for a Summoners Choice champ. If the goal was for Gladiator to be on that level and he just needs rebalanced to get there that’s great. If the goal was for Gladiator to be how he currently is I think you’ll see a lot less enthusiasm for the next Summoner’s Choice vote.

Maybe ppl will be smart next time and not vote cosmic Instead vote any other class that's not cosmic or science unless science is really interesting

We need a mutant community winner

Sundance_2099

simple way to make sure no one votes for the cosmic thinking they're all broken OP.

DON'T INCLUDE COSMICS

ItsClobberinTime

Kabam Jax said:

Observing the Summoner's Choice campaign was definitely an interesting process; I think it put on display a lot of community instincts.

We did say, repeatedly, do not vote for who you think would be most powerful, because inevitably the kits would vary and the team was very upfront with not making another Hercules.

We saw a lot of chatter along the lines of "vote for Gladiator because Cosmics are all broken" to which we, again, were very clear that would not be the case.

Now, whether or not he's the most/least powerful/useful champ of the year is for each of you to decide, but I think we need to do away with the thinking of "Summoner's Choice will be a completely OP champion" and "vote for Cosmics because they'll be Hercules 2.0." If you're noticing a trend of trying to build the game in a way that doesn't allow Hercules to roll through everything, it might also be a strange expectation to set for the next champion to match Hercules.

Personally, I wasn't expecting another Hercules but I also wasn't expecting Kamala Khan 2.0, Gladiator is terrible.

Wicket329

This whole conversation is premature. Champs get tuned now. It’s an established thing. Several of these tunings have led to okay champs becoming great champs.

So I don’t understand anger as a response here. Disappointment? Sure, okay. But why are people angry? Nothing has been announced about Gladiator’s tuning. If Kabam comes out and says he’s good as is, okay cool, then I get being upset. But this champ isn’t a finished product until that announcement hits. Pitchforks and torches down until then.

MrSakuragi

Kabam Jax said:

Observing the Summoner's Choice campaign was definitely an interesting process; I think it put on display a lot of community instincts.

We did say, repeatedly, do not vote for who you think would be most powerful, because inevitably the kits would vary and the team was very upfront with not making another Hercules.

We saw a lot of chatter along the lines of "vote for Gladiator because Cosmics are all broken" to which we, again, were very clear that would not be the case.

Now, whether or not he's the most/least powerful/useful champ of the year is for each of you to decide, but I think we need to do away with the thinking of "Summoner's Choice will be a completely OP champion" and "vote for Cosmics because they'll be Hercules 2.0." If you're noticing a trend of trying to build the game in a way that doesn't allow Hercules to roll through everything, it might also be a strange expectation to set for the next champion to match Hercules.

This could all have been avoided if we selected Spider Punk

Shadowstrike

Wicket329 said:

This whole conversation is premature. Champs get tuned now. It’s an established thing. Several of these tunings have led to okay champs becoming great champs.

So, I don’t understand anger as a response here. Disappointment? Sure, okay. But why are people angry? Nothing has been announced about Gladiator’s tuning. If Kabam comes out and says he’s good as is, okay, cool, then I get upset. But this champ isn’t a finished product until that announcement hits. Pitchforks and torches down until then.

Exactly but the problem is there were people who were expecting Hercules 2.0 or another op Cosmic and even with all the information going in that they wouldn't be creating another Hercules, people didn't listen. They still have that expectation. And then because he wasn't buffed almost immediately, people were quick to jump on the argument of "oh, they're not going to fix Gladiator," even though we still haven't even seen the rebalance report.