7* ranking progression - some thoughts
Bugmat78
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Just had a thought..
Why do you all think Kabam brought in 7* ranks 3s in less than a year (~ 8 months from introduction to rank 3s)?
No star level has progressed that quickly in recent memory.
My guess is it's because they made 6* ascensions too powerful (basically equal to 7r2) - if you could ascend all your champions to the equivalent of 7r2, why push for new 7* apart from the stat focus feature (and challenger rating in long content)?
Ascensions were their peace offering to the community for bringing in 7*s when many players didn't want to start the chase over for new champs at a new star level, but I think they probably made it a bit too powerful.
Their solution to that - bringing in 7r3 as another level, making 7*s even more valuable than ascended 6* and still chasable...
If my guess is correct, I think rather than having 7r3 now they should have made 6* ascension less powerful, so that the 7* progressions could have been done more slowly.
Why do you all think Kabam brought in 7* ranks 3s in less than a year (~ 8 months from introduction to rank 3s)?
No star level has progressed that quickly in recent memory.
My guess is it's because they made 6* ascensions too powerful (basically equal to 7r2) - if you could ascend all your champions to the equivalent of 7r2, why push for new 7* apart from the stat focus feature (and challenger rating in long content)?
Ascensions were their peace offering to the community for bringing in 7*s when many players didn't want to start the chase over for new champs at a new star level, but I think they probably made it a bit too powerful.
Their solution to that - bringing in 7r3 as another level, making 7*s even more valuable than ascended 6* and still chasable...
If my guess is correct, I think rather than having 7r3 now they should have made 6* ascension less powerful, so that the 7* progressions could have been done more slowly.
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By making 7r2 instantly available, Kabam have obsolete all the 6* other than top 6* of each class. It's waste of resources to rank up any 6* which is not top of the class anymore.
Kabam themselves are responsible for not thinking towards long-term damage and now they did 2 tame sales and community is furious. Oh well
Some may find it unpleasant but just look at how awful july 4 was on the balance of the game and how many BG related complaint threads we had
They have to make 7* r3 more powerful than 6* r5 ascended.
They have now had to firmly pull on the hand break so it doesn't get out of control.
Ultron, for example, is a solid champ but not game breaking. At high sig, he can handle shock/incinerate which when added to his bleed/poison immunity, he can handle many scenarios including hazard shift
Convince me Kabam has learned their lesson and I might say it was worth screwing us in the banquet. I have zero confidence that’s the case.
7r2 should not have required the same catalysts as 7r1 but it’s not really moving that fast when at most people have 3 7r3
None of that changes the fact that the progression happened ridiculously quickly at any level you want to analyse it, whether we stuck here at 7r3 for the next year or not.
And I disagree with you - 8 months to move 3 ranks in any new star level at this stage of the game is frighteningly fast.
We could have been doing that new content (necropolis or otherwise) for 7r2 mats now and have Paragon based around the number of 7r2s..but we couldn't because they introduced rank 2's almost immediately.
7* R3 was the first rank that you could introduce a new catalyst requirement, which could then gate progression. Which meant if you added up the fact that R1 and R2 had significant overlap with 6* champs, *and* ascension was going to blur that even further, *and* we had to get to R3 to gate the next progression tier, there was significant pressure to get past R2 and to R3.
I'm pretty sure that rank progression is going to be substantially slower post R3 because all those pressures are now gone. Probably to the point where people will be complaining it is too slow again. But I think those complaints are a sign that Kabam is going at the right speed. When they disappear, that's the canary in the cage that things are going faster than they ordinarily should.
It’s been 9 years since MCOC introduction. I do believe it’s already long enough for a mobile game.
I think the introduction of 7 star champs is pushing everything to the end.
7* R2 weren't that much more powerful than 6r5? Really? You need to do some (simple) math.
If you check the difference in stats, it's about 21.7% (health and attack). So ascension gives you 22% and now your 6*s can still feel relevant vs 7*s.
But if you do the math on stat increases between each ranks (for 6*) you will see it's about 15% each time (except r1 to r2). If 6*s would've had rank 6, 7*r2 would've been more powerful than even that.
So 7r2 are much, much more powerful than 6r5. Thats why ascension had to be so powerful.
Kabam said they learned from previous rarity releases (6*, 5*) and they'll do better with 7*. But in fact they did much, much worse:
- 7r1 are close to a 6r5 in stats (only ~3% worse), when in fact they should've been much closer to a 6r4 (like 2% better).
- this made a 4 year chase to R5 a 6* seem pointless, made to feel even worse when kabam sold 4-5 6* gems on July 4th like candy on Halloween
- 7r2 should not have required catalysts already in-game. They should've been the chase for the next year, not 7r3.
The hope now is that 7R4s won't be released for at least 18 months. Maybe even two years. And when they do get released, a new 6* ascension level is also released to bring 6*s on a 7r3 level.
The idea of a 2nd ascension would be to bring 6* at 7r3 level after 7r4s become available.
Also, I think we all agree that some champs will never be 7* (Herc). This would be a way to keep them relevant. Also to not make 4 years of collecting 6* completly worthless.
7* can go to rank 6. Having our old 6* roster at a 7r3 level (half of max) is reasonable. Actually, when r5 or r6 7* are out, another 6* ascension should be released.
PS: look at the ascension icon. It clearly has a "1" on it. Maybe it's intentional, maybe an accident. But in the future it can have a 2, or a 3 on it.
And your arguments for collecting 6*s becoming pointless is completely negated by the fact that the same has happened when it came to 5*s becoming pointless and 4*s before that
And unless kabam wants to release 8*s, then ascension is more than likely for 7*s too. Thats one more power level. So one more ascension for 6*'s to bring them to 7r4 level is logical.