Quake and Magik 6*

So this question came up on the stream and they actually answered it for the first time in I don't know how long.
Their answer was basically this: not happening unless they get tuned down but if they both get tuned down, they will still be at Ghost level at the very least. They said they decided not to do this but wanted to know what the players thought. So, should Quake and Magik be tuned down so they can finally be 6*? Keep in mind they will be very powerful still, Ghost level.

Comments

Pikolu

I don't see how you tune down quake while staying true to the nature of quaking. If her playstyle is any different, I don't want her. I'd rather get a deathless quake that has a reimagined kit for her instead so I can keep my OG quakes.

ahmynuts

This has to be a coordinated attack where people plan to make the exact same thread over and over again

VanillaCoke

I don't see how you tune down quake while staying true to the nature of quaking. If her playstyle is any different, I don't want her. I'd rather get a deathless quake that has a reimagined kit for her instead so I can keep my OG quakes.

I’m not sure if you realize but Quake’s kit specifically states “Evade all basic attacks when the opponent has a concussion”. Quake can still quake in a debuff immune scenario, thus she’s bugged. But if Kabam fixes that bug, all hell breaks loose.

ItsClobberinTime

This has to be a coordinated attack where people plan to make the exact same thread over and over again

I checked recent discussions and there wasn't a single one about Quake or Magik that's why I posted it 😫

Bendy

If it means i can play these 2 hell yeah tune them to ghost level as i personally want to play both again

Gamer

I stil hav a hard time believing magic be to broken can’t se it my self I t be nice if they really showed there power somehow not live sever like the CCP. I can se why quack is

ItsClobberinTime

I don't see how you tune down quake while staying true to the nature of quaking. If her playstyle is any different, I don't want her. I'd rather get a deathless quake that has a reimagined kit for her instead so I can keep my OG quakes.

They would probably do something like increase her damage output but give her some sort of cooldown so she can't just sit in a corner for a whole minute being untouchable with zero issues, I don't know it would definitely be challenging.
They would definitely keep that quaking aspect to some extent though cause they said tune down, not rework, and they said she would easily be at Ghost level but yeah I guess for some there's just a lot of nostalgia tied to her current kit so they wouldn't really want a tune down.

Chuck_Finley

Lol… from the folks who thought Gladiator was worth releasing as is??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hard pass. I can wait longer for Quake.

Ben_15455

Magik yes, Quake no

Chuck_Finley

I don't see how you tune down quake while staying true to the nature of quaking. If her playstyle is any different, I don't want her. I'd rather get a deathless quake that has a reimagined kit for her instead so I can keep my OG quakes.
They would probably do something like increase her damage output but give her some sort of cooldown so she can't just sit in a corner for a whole minute being untouchable with zero issues, I don't know it would definitely be challenging.
They would definitely keep that quaking aspect to some extent though cause they said tune down, not rework, and they said she would easily be at Ghost level but yeah I guess for some there's just a lot of nostalgia tied to her current kit so they wouldn't really want a tune down.

Zero interest in this… none. “We just will let you quake occasionally.” Pffft. That’s what makes quake awesome

ItsClobberinTime

Lol… from the folks who thought Gladiator was worth releasing as is??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hard pass. I can wait longer for Quake.

I mean, to be fair most releases and buffs this year have been amazing we can cut them some slack lol.

Chuck_Finley

Lol… from the folks who thought Gladiator was worth releasing as is??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hard pass. I can wait longer for Quake.
I mean, to be fair most releases and buffs this year have been amazing we can cut them some slack lol.

I hadn’t seen the follow up where their solution for quake was to nerf perfect quaking perpetually. That ends quake in my book. It requires skill… and if you can do it it’s super rewarding. I am glad they decided against it. I hope the community is wise enough not to accept this change.

StarSmasher2001

I am very biased (*glances at pfp*) and I think a 6* Magik should be released instantly, right now, do it or else I'll be sad.

That said... Quake? Nah bro. The fact that she's a 5* is the only reason - the only reason - why people aren't doing things like Necropolis solos using just her.

ItsClobberinTime

Lol… from the folks who thought Gladiator was worth releasing as is??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Hard pass. I can wait longer for Quake.
I mean, to be fair most releases and buffs this year have been amazing we can cut them some slack lol.
I hadn’t seen the follow up where their solution for quake was to nerf perfect quaking perpetually. That ends quake in my book. It requires skill… and if you can do it it’s super rewarding. I am glad they decided against it. I hope the community is wise enough not to accept this change.

They didn't say what they would nerf, that was just me taking a guess since Pikolu said he didn't know how they could nerf her while staying true to the nature of quaking. They can definitely keep the quaking aspect to some extent but the days of being untouchable in the corner would be over hence I didn't vote. Part of me wants the tune down so I can actually use her in AW and BGs, the other one doesn't because there's a lot of nostalgia there.

ItsClobberinTime

I am very biased (*glances at pfp*) and I think a 6* Magik should be released instantly, right now, do it or else I'll be sad.

That said... Quake? Nah bro. The fact that she's a 5* is the only reason - the only reason - why people aren't doing things like Necropolis solos using just her.

Magik is not happening without a nerf unfortunately.

Quake would also only happen with a nerf, nobody would be soloing anything in Necropolis with her as a 6* cause she would effectively get tuned down to Ghost level, that was the whole point of the poll lol none of them would be released in their current state cause they're too strong.

ThePredator1001

I didn’t read it clearly the first time. I’d much rather have them tune down quake and magik in order to make them available at higher rarity’s. What good is having them as 5* collecting dust.

Chuck_Finley

I didn’t read it clearly the first time. I’d much rather have them tune down quake and magik in order to make them available at higher rarity’s. What good is having them as 5* collecting dust.

If you can’t quake - who is going to use quake? She will be collecting dust either way

SirGamesBond

I stil hav a hard time believing magic be to broken can’t se it my self I t be nice if they really showed there power somehow not live sever like the CCP. I can se why quack is

If we had a 6* magik, I would drop every single resource to take her rank 5 ascended.

same with quake but anyway..lol

I'm not very keen ranking 6*s these days but man that magik would clap cheeks.

ItsClobberinTime

I didn’t read it clearly the first time. I’d much rather have them tune down quake and magik in order to make them available at higher rarity’s. What good is having them as 5* collecting dust.
If you can’t quake - who is going to use quake? She will be collecting dust either way

Who said she won't be able to quake? For like the third time lol this isn't a rework it's a tune down, if they remove her ability to quake entirely and create a completely new way for her to deal damage that's no longer a tune down, it's a rework. It all boils down to this, do you want her to be viable BGs and AW or keep her as a piece of nostalgia only viable for questing? It's that simple.

Undead_Bard

I don't like tune downs in general. I would rather they collect dust as 5* as legacy mvps. Where you can have newbies smash content w/ them. I can also just imagine a world where they get tuned down where there are threads here going "why Quake is overrated" or "[2024 Mystic champ] is so much better than 6* Magik".
I like looking at my rank 5 Quake and thinking dang she carried me early game. I would rather a deathless Quake or Quake 2099 w/ an adjusted skill set than a tune down.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

They can just make an "exception" when it comes to the 6-star stats ... Like letting the 5-star and under versions stay as they are, and only slightly change the stats/damage of the 6-star versions, to be more powerful than the 5-star counterpart but still a worse upgrade increase (in terms of the stats) when compared to any other 6-star

ThePredator1001

I didn’t read it clearly the first time. I’d much rather have them tune down quake and magik in order to make them available at higher rarity’s. What good is having them as 5* collecting dust.
If you can’t quake - who is going to use quake? She will be collecting dust either way

They could tune her down while also giving her new abilities/playstyles. For example they could have a charge count for how long she can hold her heavy like Cassie does. And then give her an infuriate and let her ramp up by intercepting while the heavy recharges. She could still be a great champ

Greekhit

I am very biased (*glances at pfp*) and I think a 6* Magik should be released instantly, right now, do it or else I'll be sad.

That said... Quake? Nah bro. The fact that she's a 5* is the only reason - the only reason - why people aren't doing things like Necropolis solos using just her.
Magik is not happening without a nerf unfortunately.

Quake would also only happen with a nerf, nobody would be soloing anything in Necropolis with her as a 6* cause she would effectively get tuned down to Ghost level, that was the whole point of the poll lol none of them would be released in their current state cause they're too strong.

Magik was once existing in the top rarity (5* back then) and the game had zero issues with her existence.
Yes she was one of the best power controller back then, but keep in mind champs like Doom didn’t exist back then.
Her power lock is a debuff and against a lot of modern champs and modern content (nodes) it won’t work.
As for the claim she would be a broken defender, this is completely false.
She has more counters than people can imagine, I can list at least ten champs that perform great against her and I’m sure that number can go easily to twenty.
Of course if you go against her without a counter you will get wrecked, but the same you could claim for many other defenders that guarantee damage without a counter (Domino, Electro etc.), yet we have them as 6*s or even as 7*s.
Quake 6* no, at least until we have 7*r4s in the game.
But Magik has become the new SW meme, where people were saying “She is too powerful to be released even as a 5*”.
Yet we got her not only as 5* but as 6* as well and guess what? She is not even considered a top Mystic champ, let alone being a game breaker.

ItsClobberinTime

I am very biased (*glances at pfp*) and I think a 6* Magik should be released instantly, right now, do it or else I'll be sad.

That said... Quake? Nah bro. The fact that she's a 5* is the only reason - the only reason - why people aren't doing things like Necropolis solos using just her.
Magik is not happening without a nerf unfortunately.

Quake would also only happen with a nerf, nobody would be soloing anything in Necropolis with her as a 6* cause she would effectively get tuned down to Ghost level, that was the whole point of the poll lol none of them would be released in their current state cause they're too strong.
Magik was once existing in the top rarity (5* back then) and the game had zero issues with her existence.
Yes she was one of the best power controller back then, but keep in mind champs like Doom didn’t exist back then.
Her power lock is a debuff and against a lot of modern champs and modern content (nodes) it won’t work.
As for the claim she would be a broken defender, this is completely false.
She has more counters than people can imagine, I can list at least ten champs that perform great against her and I’m sure that number can go easily to twenty.
Of course if you go against her without a counter you will get wrecked, but the same you could claim for many other defenders that guarantee damage without a counter (Domino, Electro etc.), yet we have them as 6*s or even as 7*s.
Quake 6* no, at least until we have 7*r4s in the game.
But Magik has become the new SW meme, where people were saying “She is too powerful to be released even as a 5*”.
Yet we got her not only as 5* but as 6* as well and guess what? She is not even considered a top Mystic champ, let alone being a game breaker.

Doom doesn't have better power control than her, she can keep literally anything in the game power locked the whole match, if you don't see how strong that would be in BGs I don't know what to tell you.
I never claimed anything about defense what are you talking about? Lol
SW is not on Magik's level, I think you're severely underestimating the power lock and power steal she has in sp2.

Vegeta9001

Magik, I sure hope so, Quake, being my most used champ where she is available, absolutely not. It would be catastrophic what a 6/7* quake could do, my 5* ascended still rolls end game content she is viable in. If not for the power gain in necropolis she could probably quake that too.

Magik, there are so many scenarios now she flat out won't work, lots of drain immune champions, plenty of debuff shruggers, debuff immune node, power drain immune node, any special lock one nodes and more. A 6* wouldn't break the game.

SpideyFunko

i didn’t comprehend correctly the first time- count me as a no

Zuko_ILC

Hard to answer without them explaining the tune down. They show Red Guardian doing insane damage but then say other champs need tuned down. Kinda confusing to see. I just want justice for Dr. Strange already.

Magrailothos

I am very biased (*glances at pfp*) and I think a 6* Magik should be released instantly, right now, do it or else I'll be sad.

That said... Quake? Nah bro. The fact that she's a 5* is the only reason - the only reason - why people aren't doing things like Necropolis solos using just her.
Magik is not happening without a nerf unfortunately.

Quake would also only happen with a nerf, nobody would be soloing anything in Necropolis with her as a 6* cause she would effectively get tuned down to Ghost level, that was the whole point of the poll lol none of them would be released in their current state cause they're too strong.
Magik was once existing in the top rarity (5* back then) and the game had zero issues with her existence.
Yes she was one of the best power controller back then, but keep in mind champs like Doom didn’t exist back then.
Her power lock is a debuff and against a lot of modern champs and modern content (nodes) it won’t work.
As for the claim she would be a broken defender, this is completely false.
She has more counters than people can imagine, I can list at least ten champs that perform great against her and I’m sure that number can go easily to twenty.
Of course if you go against her without a counter you will get wrecked, but the same you could claim for many other defenders that guarantee damage without a counter (Domino, Electro etc.), yet we have them as 6*s or even as 7*s.
Quake 6* no, at least until we have 7*r4s in the game.
But Magik has become the new SW meme, where people were saying “She is too powerful to be released even as a 5*”.
Yet we got her not only as 5* but as 6* as well and guess what? She is not even considered a top Mystic champ, let alone being a game breaker.
Doom doesn't have better power control than her, she can keep literally anything in the game power locked the whole match, if you don't see how strong that would be in BGs I don't know what to tell you.

Anything?

She'll struggle against a lot of Skill champions - Agent Venom, Kingpin, Elsa Bloodstone, Mole Man, Attuma, Zemo, Black Cat, Blade, Chee'ilth, Crossbones, Jabari, Karnak, Night Thrasher, Valkyrie...

Outside of Skill there are others who deal with debuffs like Rogue and even a few Cosmic champions like Aarkus, and King Groot.

Champs like Sauron, Photon, Annihilus and Hulkling are immune to Power Steal, which makes the Power Lock much less effective. Galan is immune to the Power Lock itself, so he'd probably get some Specials off, too

And good luck keeping that SP2 lock going against Overseer, Miles Morales, Starky, Sentinel and Human Torch; who all have unique ways of dealing with Special Attacks/Mystic opponents

I mean I'm not an expert, but even ignoring the Cosmics, that's 24 champs that are going to be somewhat challenging; even before throwing in nodes like Debuff immunity, Mighty Charge or Powerful.

Bring her on as a 6*!

All they'd really need to do to balance the SP2 is drop the rate to 75-80%, and make it only activate on the first hit: the problem right now is that it has a 90% chance to activate on both hits; which means (roughly) a 99% chance it'll activate. That'll at least leave some margin for an opponent to gain some power.

Then tweak the Limbo damage to either scale with base Attack, or reduce it on defense.

Kabam Miike

For the record, this is what we had initially thought about for Quake:

- Concussion changed to physical vulnerability
- Cannot evade if her personal physical vulnerability is not active on the opponent\

The goal was to take her from where she is now (absolutely broken) down to God Tier.

But like I said, we chose instead to go with no change and to leave them as 5-Stars.

Rebark

For the record, this is what we had initially thought about for Quake:

- Concussion changed to physical vulnerability
- Cannot evade if her personal physical vulnerability is not active on the opponent\

The goal was to take her from where she is now (absolutely broken) down to God Tier.

But like I said, we chose instead to go with no change and to leave them as 5-Stars.

what about magik?