Apocalypse VS Purify

I'm extremely confused about the way Apoc's ability to decrease opponents purify abilities work.

I tested him against Zemo, Korg, Jabari and Mole Man.

He worked pretty well against Korg and Mole Man.

Now the way Zemo and Jabari work with purify is through Cleanse what seams to be working against Apoc's abilities since they are able to purify his debuffs anyways. At first I thought Cleanse were somehow different then Purify, but the ability description just states that it purifies debuffs so now I'm confused about how it actually works.

Is Cleanse somehow totally different from Purify, if not, why can't Apoc work around it?

P.s. I truly don't understand and I'm just looking for enlightenment from someone with the knowledge.

Comments

Pikolu

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.

Magrailothos

I don't think that saying "Cleanse isn't a Purify" is sufficient detail for this question, @Pikolu

OP, this is a question that gets posed occasionally.

The confusion arises because there is an Ability called Purify and there is an effect, which is also called purify (which is what removes the debuffs).

It's a little confusing that their names are the same, so I'm trying to use Bold/Italics to help increase clarity...

You use the Ability "Purify" to generate the effect of purify.

You can also use the Ability "Cleanse" to activate the effect, purify.

Apocalypse reduces the Ability Accuracy of the Ability called "Purify". He doesn't interact with the effect, which is also called purify. He therefore can't interact with "Cleanse" at all, because it is a different Ability (even though it's effect it almost identical).

By contrast, Bishop interacts with the effect called purify. He therefore inflicts bursts of damage any time his opponent generated the Effect, purify; regardless of whether it was caused through the Ability Cleanse or the Ability, Purify.

PT_99

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.

So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.

captain_rogers

Let me simplify it for you.
Apocalypse ability accuracy reduction will takes place the moment the debuff is inflicted on the opponent, that is, the exact moment you inflict parry stun.

What cleanse does is similar to stagger, it immediately remove the debuff, that is, the cleanse passive works before apocalypse's ability accuracy reduction comes.

Like when two contradictory actions occur at the same time like this case, we give a priority number to each action. Simply said, in this case cleanse has higher priority than apocalypse 's aar. So cleanse comes first.

I posted a thread previously about does kingpin and moleman with high purify accuracy can purify 100% concussion debuffs (such as quake's concussion). The answer is no, cuz it has more priority than their purification chance.
But when you do the same against Shang chi or zemo, they'll easily purify it.

LordSmasher

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.

Nah, its not dumb. Its to stop one champ being the be all and end all for countering an ability. Makes the game more diverse.

PT_99

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.
Nah, its not dumb. Its to stop one champ being the be all and end all for countering an ability. Makes the game more diverse.

So now who counter cleanse?
And who will counter the one who is countering the cleanse? And then who will counter that hero?

Ortoun

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.
Nah, its not dumb. Its to stop one champ being the be all and end all for countering an ability. Makes the game more diverse.
So now who counter cleanse?
And who will counter the one who is countering the cleanse? And then who will counter that hero?

Bishop and Toad do, I think Havok does bit havent tested, to a lesser extent Storm X might, but only with stun.

AverageDesi

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.

I agree. I hate that stagger and nullify are different too.

DemonicStalker

Cleanse works the same as neutralize...

and y do ppl keep comparing stagger and nullify?

stagger is buff prevention, nullify is buff removal

stagger should be compared to neutralize...

PT_99

Cleanse works the same as neutralize...

and y do ppl keep comparing stagger and nullify?

stagger is buff prevention, nullify is buff removal

stagger should be compared to neutralize...

Anything illogical to prove someone wrong, very common these days.

AverageDesi

Cleanse works the same as neutralize...

and y do ppl keep comparing stagger and nullify?

stagger is buff prevention, nullify is buff removal

stagger should be compared to neutralize...

Neutralize is tranquilize

Ghost_Driver

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.
Nah, its not dumb. Its to stop one champ being the be all and end all for countering an ability. Makes the game more diverse.
So now who counter cleanse?
And who will counter the one who is countering the cleanse? And then who will counter that hero?

Yes, that's how the game should be. Not one champ can counter everything.

Captainaiden

Use toad for cleanse

Tips, taskmaster is good defender as long as opponent doesn't have power gain champs

Nameless_IW

easy - the same way nullify and stagger do the same thing which is remove the opponent next buff. But some champs are immune to nullify and not stagger and some champs are immune to stagger but aren't to nullify. For instance Galan is immune to nullify but you can easily place stagger with Doctor Doom's heavy, etc.

So yeah. Cleanse and purify, do the same thing but are just different terms.

Typical Kabam.

LOL

Buttehrs

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.

That's how the game works. And almost any mmo/rpg works. Everything has a counter of some kind. If it doesn't, it eventually will.

PT_99

Cleanse is not a purify. Cleanse was created specifically to counter Apoc.
So dumb.
You create Apoc to counter purify then you create cleanse to counter Apoc countering purify, what the hell.
That's how the game works. And almost any mmo/rpg works. Everything has a counter of some kind. If it doesn't, it eventually will.

Yes I understand, said that in heat of moment after getting ass whooped by storm-x in Necro

captain_rogers

Bishop counters purification in the best way possible,change my mind.