Someone catch me up here on the Hercules nerf stuff

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

.... Why do people want it? ..... Like it's been awhile since I've been in touch on the community but why am I seeing entirely unironic support for Hercules being nerfed?

What did I miss in the community to where we are wanting nerfs for purely offensive based champions?

Opandemonio

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

KILLMФИGЕЯ

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

KILLMФИGЕЯ

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

Nightheart

Only nerf that is confirmed is he won't be 7 star

Giantwalrus56

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Pretty sure that's not it...

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

..... Huh so you mean in actual skill based content he doesn't as equally suffice?? ... That seems like a very reasonable case to make for why a champ shouldn't get nerfed lol. If playing him leads to actual skill issues then that's a problem that solves itself and nerfs aren't nessescary

Nightheart

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

..... Huh so you mean in actual skill based content he doesn't as equally suffice?? ... That seems like a very reasonable case to make for why a champ shouldn't get nerfed lol. If playing him leads to actual skill issues then that's a problem that solves itself and nerfs aren't nessescary

He doesn't work well in necropolis anyways plus everest content was never his forte

Pikolu

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

..... Huh so you mean in actual skill based content he doesn't as equally suffice?? ... That seems like a very reasonable case to make for why a champ shouldn't get nerfed lol. If playing him leads to actual skill issues then that's a problem that solves itself and nerfs aren't nessescary

Herc crushes AW. The tier 1 players I talk with dread the season where herc is whitelisted because of how he trivializes hard matchups. Even in the GC safeguard meta, herc was a good option because of his burst damage. The dude is very unhealthy for the game and is a major pain for the quest designers. Content would actually get a little easier if kabam wasn't trying to counter herc.

BigPoppaCBONE

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

.... Why do people want it? ..... Like it's been awhile since I've been in touch on the community but why am I seeing entirely unironic support for Hercules being nerfed?

What did I miss in the community to where we are wanting nerfs for purely offensive based champions?

From what I've seen, it's a vocal minority of "Health of the game" dorks that cape for Kabam with a sprinkle of contrarians putting in their 2 cents.

It's definitely not a majority of the community.

Kabam has been pretty upfront about making new champs, the occasional buffs, and various nodes as anti-specific champ tech. No reason they can't keep doing it without nerfs.

smdam38

Nobody uses him. He’s not who who you think he is.

BigPoppaCBONE

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

We already have champs and nodes that punish immortality. What business of yours is it if players choose to play their game the way they enjoy? You're acting like the proper way to play is 4D chess with champs that suck for the task and looking down on Herc smashers, Hulk smashers, Nick smashers, Aegon smashers, CGR smashers, etc.

Pikolu said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

..... Huh so you mean in actual skill based content he doesn't as equally suffice?? ... That seems like a very reasonable case to make for why a champ shouldn't get nerfed lol. If playing him leads to actual skill issues then that's a problem that solves itself and nerfs aren't nessescary

Herc crushes AW. The tier 1 players I talk with dread the season where herc is whitelisted because of how he trivializes hard matchups. Even in the GC safeguard meta, herc was a good option because of his burst damage. The dude is very unhealthy for the game and is a major pain for the quest designers. Content would actually get a little easier if kabam wasn't trying to counter herc.

Oh well. AW being tougher to plan hard matchups for isn't enough of a reason to nerf champs. Nerf Herc people keep saying he's "unhealthy for the game" but if quest designers have that much trouble they should take it up with the champ designers and get them to build more anti-Herc tech into the constant flow of new and buffed champs we get every month.

Bulmkt

Pikolu said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

..... Huh so you mean in actual skill based content he doesn't as equally suffice?? ... That seems like a very reasonable case to make for why a champ shouldn't get nerfed lol. If playing him leads to actual skill issues then that's a problem that solves itself and nerfs aren't nessescary

Herc crushes AW. The tier 1 players I talk with dread the season where herc is whitelisted because of how he trivializes hard matchups. Even in the GC safeguard meta, herc was a good option because of his burst damage. The dude is very unhealthy for the game and is a major pain for the quest designers. Content would actually get a little easier if kabam wasn't trying to counter herc.

My 2c worth

Then why would Kabam Mike say what he said then?

IMO He should have said. “There was a time when we seriously thought we would nerf him, but that time has now passed and I can categorically state here and now Hercules won’t be nerfed. Now that doesn’t mean we don’t design future content that may or may not limit some of his abilities but we are not changing his current kit period.”

That would finally end these needless posts about Hercules being nerfed.

Standardman1989

ItsClobberinTime

Cause he's a crutch and he absolutely breaks the game whenever there aren't any nodes stopping him, and that isn't something anyone can deny cause it's a fact. I really don't understand why so many people insist on using crutches instead of just finding strategies with other champs which is imo a lot more enjoyable.
As for purely offensive that is incorrect, he stalls a lot in BGs and can get you a few wins on defense sometimes.

Personally though the main reason I want him, as well as Quake and Magik, to get nerfed is because I want all three of them to be 7* at some point but unless they get nerfed, that will never happen.

captain_rogers

Hercules nerf is impossible after 2 years of launch, He is not useful much in necropolis, Not the best option for bgs, Assasin mastery can mess him up in AW, The only place he is OP is incursions, Story and AQ can be done by any champ.

So no need for nerf.

ItsClobberinTime

captain_rogers said:

Hercules nerf is impossible after 2 years of launch, He is not useful much in necropolis, Not the best option for bgs, Assasin mastery can mess him up in AW, The only place he is OP is incursions, Story and AQ can be done by any champ.

So no need for nerf.

1. He is a solid option for BGs and he is dual use.
2. At rank 5, your defenders barely have 20% chance to actually shut down immortality. Are you suggesting people should invest five points in Assassin for a 20% chance at shutting down immortality? (He's still op btw cause 20% is very low lol)
3. Correct, but does any other champ in the whole game have as much survivability and damage as he does for any of those three modes?

Some people I swear, this is hilarious.

Polygon

My Hulkling is R5, I already was planning to do Galan or CGR before Herc. The announcement by Mike about future content being designed around Herc was all the confirmation I needed

JT_Supreme

ItsClobberinTime said:

captain_rogers said:

Hercules nerf is impossible after 2 years of launch, He is not useful much in necropolis, Not the best option for bgs, Assasin mastery can mess him up in AW, The only place he is OP is incursions, Story and AQ can be done by any champ.

So no need for nerf.

1. He is a solid option for BGs and he is dual use.
2. At rank 5, your defenders barely have 20% chance to actually shut down immortality. Are you suggesting people should invest five points in Assassin for a 20% chance at shutting down immortality? (He's still op btw cause 20% is very low lol)
3. Correct, but does any other champ in the whole game have as much survivability and damage as he does for any of those three modes?

Some people I swear, this is hilarious.

The last 3 times I’ve died without immortality triggering in aw. Seems like 90% of the time it doesn’t trigger. And no there wasn’t any node or nullifier affecting it.

FunnyDude

He is broken but not going to be nerfed, no 7-star version of him is enough, 6 months later, nobody will use him in main content of the game because it will be the world of 7R3.

I agree he is OP , Corvus as well(if you check T1 war, you will be scared by ascended Corvus), but it's OK to leave them as today just because it's too late to do it.

JessieS

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE said:

KILLMФИGЕЯ said:

Opandemonio said:

People who are unlucky and failed multiple times to get him want him nerfed.
"If I can't have him, no one should😡"

Wrong, I was lucky enough to pull a 6* Herc since the day he dropped! Though he’s a fun champ, he’s bad for the game and I wouldn’t care in the slightest if he was nerfed. I was also a huge quake player and I LOVE the fact that she’s been fazed out of the game,

Ok but now is he bad for the game.

How is he not? lol his immortality allows even the worst of players to just smash through content without skill. You’re not getting better at the game by doing this, it’s making you a worse player.
now you jump into aw or bgs and get out played by other players because you haven’t learned how to actually fight other champs lol

Look, even if he doesn’t get nerfed, his shelf life is falling quickly. They will not release him as a 7* and even an ascended 6* won’t be able to hang with r4, r5 or r6 7*s.

The post of game is not not to get better . It’s to have fun . Some people have fun by getting better other have fun playing casually . Do you really not know this ?

ItsClobberinTime

JT_Supreme said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

captain_rogers said:

Hercules nerf is impossible after 2 years of launch, He is not useful much in necropolis, Not the best option for bgs, Assasin mastery can mess him up in AW, The only place he is OP is incursions, Story and AQ can be done by any champ.

So no need for nerf.

1. He is a solid option for BGs and he is dual use.
2. At rank 5, your defenders barely have 20% chance to actually shut down immortality. Are you suggesting people should invest five points in Assassin for a 20% chance at shutting down immortality? (He's still op btw cause 20% is very low lol)
3. Correct, but does any other champ in the whole game have as much survivability and damage as he does for any of those three modes?

Some people I swear, this is hilarious.

The last 3 times I’ve died without immortality triggering in aw. Seems like 90% of the time it doesn’t trigger. And no there wasn’t any node or nullifier affecting it.

That's just bad luck, it's how RNG works and it doesn't mean it will happen to everyone. Most of the times Assassin won't shut it down, there will be rare occasions where someone gets really really bad luck and has his immortality shut down a bunch of times in a row but most of the time that won't be the case.

ItsClobberinTime

Polygon said:

My Hulkling is R5, I already was planning to do Galan or CGR before Herc. The announcement by Mike about future content being designed around Herc was all the confirmation I needed

Same here, I always knew that announcement was coming at some point so I went with Maestro and Hulkling over Herc (up next, Galan lol)

SpartanGhost

If kabam want to nerf him, they'd best be prepared for the backlash.I've seen people spend 1000s of dollars trying to pull him.

Realistically speaking, this would be on par with or worse than their 12.0 mess up. The game has not been in a good place over the past few months (terrible bg metas and aw metas) and now they want to throw gasoline onto the fire. This is grounds for triggering the end of MCOC.

They've already made anti-hercules nodes. And made content around him (necro) and it has been successful.

Unless they plan to go back and refund all the money people have spent on trying to pull hercules and hand out rank down tickets+ reverse ascension tickets, they should stop trying to mess with the community even more.

AverageDesi

I want them to just remove his immortality

ItsClobberinTime

SpartanGhost said:

If kabam want to nerf him, they'd best be prepared for the backlash.I've seen people spend 1000s of dollars trying to pull him.

Realistically speaking, this would be on par with or worse than their 12.0 mess up. The game has not been in a good place over the past few months (terrible bg metas and aw metas) and now they want to throw gasoline onto the fire. This is grounds for triggering the end of MCOC.

They've already made anti-hercules nodes. And made content around him (necro) and it has been successful.

Unless they plan to go back and refund all the money people have spent on trying to pull hercules and hand out rank down tickets+ reverse ascension tickets, they should stop trying to mess with the community even more.

Terrible BGs and AW metas hmmmm and where did you get this info? The posts from Charliejiggens? Cause I really haven't seen that many complaints outside of that lol.

This won't trigger the end of anything, I wish people would stop repeating the same things Prof Hoff says cause it is absolutely not true lol. Do you seriously think the devs would be dumber than the playerbase and kill their own game? Do you genuinely believe you're smarter than them when it comes to keeping the game alive and you know something they don't? 💀

Nightheart

Let's be honest I love Hercules he's my favorite champ like Magik and Quake were when I used them as 5 star maxed. But I don't want to see him as a 7 star so let him be locked behind the 6 star rarity.

captain_rogers

ItsClobberinTime said:

captain_rogers said:

Hercules nerf is impossible after 2 years of launch, He is not useful much in necropolis, Not the best option for bgs, Assasin mastery can mess him up in AW, The only place he is OP is incursions, Story and AQ can be done by any champ.

So no need for nerf.

1. He is a solid option for BGs and he is dual use.
2. At rank 5, your defenders barely have 20% chance to actually shut down immortality. Are you suggesting people should invest five points in Assassin for a 20% chance at shutting down immortality? (He's still op btw cause 20% is very low lol)
3. Correct, but does any other champ in the whole game have as much survivability and damage as he does for any of those three modes?

Some people I swear, this is hilarious.

There is no denying he is great, He is easily the best champion in the game. But, Is it worthy to nerf a 6* hercules now? Absolutely not, herc wasn't nerfed when EOP was the main thing in game, People smashed it using herc. But now in necro he is not the best option, So He don't need the nerf/He isn't broken enough to nerf him like 12.0 thor or strange.

Jerichoharris

As someone who has 500+ champs but who to date has never pulled him at any level I’m in the ‘I’m not too bothered either way but it would be nice to see what all the fuss is about’ camp.

Jack2634

tbh , herc unblockable and immortality isn't the only thing makes him the best champ. When he reaches 12 strength , just sp1 intercept/sp2 intercept (which the window for it is much longer than normal intercepts) and he already have incredible damage . Which his infuriated debuffs made these intercept way smoother. Not to mention he is suicides friendly (even without galan herald).