Winter of Woe Community Chat [MERGED THREADS]

Figured it'd be a good idea to get this started so people can discuss what works and what doesn't. Please feel free to post feedback below!

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IvarTheBoneless

How will does Abs man himself work for the #Gamma objective?

I can imagine that he'll manage the Unstoppable well, but will basically lose 2/3 of his damage - will a r4/R5 Abs man be able to out-damage the opponents Regen?
I had what I thought was a good run where I took off around 50% with Abs Man before I took one to the chin and died and thought "I can do better than that," so I restarted. I could not do better than that. I should have revived.

Damn respect!! Most I could take off was 15% with r5 ascended abs man, I just gave up afterwards.

Mik81

Disappointing content

ItsClobberinTime

You guys think Kabam will actually respond? Sincerely hope so because…seriously what is this lmao
I wish they did but knowing them, they probably won't. I really don't get why they're still using that stupid brute force node in this game, it's so lame.
Taking damage for doing nothing is lazy game design like where is the challenge there? I can't hit you cause you're close to three bars and not throwing the damn special, I also can't parry you cause of the the crits through block, and I can't stand there doing nothing cause it's the same as you hitting me then what the hell am I supposed to do just die? 🙃
Sigh, I'm extremely disappointed, I expected challenging fun nodes like Necropolis but nah they had to ruin it with brute force as per usual, cheapest way to make content harder but unlike Necropolis, make it annoying af too.
They need to add aggressive or something to help ai as this feels like a lot of issues ive had with the big eop gauntlet where ai just held block wasnt acting like the ai it should have that even necro and abyss has a better ai

Honestly, I just think brute force needs to be scrapped entirely and removed forever cause it's not healthy for the game (or at least not for endgame content). It's a lazy attempt at making endgame content harder and it's not fun at all, especially if on top of that you mix it with an unstoppable node.
I get this type of content is supposed to make you rage but the rage I felt when I was fighting Air-Walker in Necropolis was a different type of rage. One makes you want to keep going until you finally get it done, the other one makes you want to quit and uninstall the game right on the spot lol.

Grub88

So to sum up the only options are

Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman

Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

benshb

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you

ItsClobberinTime

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

Add Omega Sentinel with recoils and Shocker to that list, and I think that's it yeah

Bendy

You guys think Kabam will actually respond? Sincerely hope so because…seriously what is this lmao
I wish they did but knowing them, they probably won't. I really don't get why they're still using that stupid brute force node in this game, it's so lame.
Taking damage for doing nothing is lazy game design like where is the challenge there? I can't hit you cause you're close to three bars and not throwing the damn special, I also can't parry you cause of the the crits through block, and I can't stand there doing nothing cause it's the same as you hitting me then what the hell am I supposed to do just die? 🙃
Sigh, I'm extremely disappointed, I expected challenging fun nodes like Necropolis but nah they had to ruin it with brute force as per usual, cheapest way to make content harder but unlike Necropolis, make it annoying af too.
They need to add aggressive or something to help ai as this feels like a lot of issues ive had with the big eop gauntlet where ai just held block wasnt acting like the ai it should have that even necro and abyss has a better ai
Honestly, I just think brute force needs to be scrapped entirely and removed forever cause it's not healthy for the game (or at least not for endgame content). It's a lazy attempt at making endgame content harder and it's not fun at all, especially if on top of that you mix it with an unstoppable node.
I get this type of content is supposed to make you rage but the rage I felt when I was fighting Air-Walker in Necropolis was a different type of rage. One makes you want to keep going until you finally get it done, the other one makes you want to quit and uninstall the game right on the spot lol.

I agree i did all of necro and i had way more fun and the rage expected from that due to its meant for u too but this is a different level rage that gets me heated as the ai just blocks but could be due to brute force as everytime i faced brute force ai is always just so passive and thats what makes me rage mainly is due to how passive the ai is

Eb0ny-O-M4w

After a few failed attempts (due to AI bugs) with Hulk for the gamma objective, it was quite satisfactory to do a solo with Sandman right after,and first try as well. Worked quite well

ItsClobberinTime

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you

Endgame content ≠ alienating 90% of the playerbase.

Polygon

Honestly, I'd rather do necropolis 100% all over again instead of this fight. That's probably not a good thing.

You guys think Kabam will actually respond? Sincerely hope so because…seriously what is this lmao
I wish they did but knowing them, they probably won't. I really don't get why they're still using that stupid brute force node in this game, it's so lame.
Taking damage for doing nothing is lazy game design like where is the challenge there? I can't hit you cause you're close to three bars and not throwing the damn special, I also can't parry you cause of the the crits through block, and I can't stand there doing nothing cause it's the same as you hitting me then what the hell am I supposed to do just die? 🙃
Sigh, I'm extremely disappointed, I expected challenging fun nodes like Necropolis but nah they had to ruin it with brute force as per usual, cheapest way to make content harder but unlike Necropolis, make it annoying af too.
Yeah it’s a lose-lose situation. The fight was already hard enough as it is, but the fact that one blocked hit can kill a boosted 7* r2 is crazy.

Necro was peak design and I was so happy that they went for a skill ask. You could smash through it with Aegon and spend more, or bring in good counters and take the fight slowly. It was perfect execution and even the charges running out didn’t have to mean instant death.

This doesn’t even feel like it was made by the same people. It feels so artificially inflated to be hard. Basically, “I wonder how many punishing nodes I can cram onto a fight that costs 10 energy to get to.”

I thought Kevin and the team did a great job in Necropolis but they definitely missed the mark on this one.

Gamma objectives but DOT immune node? Brute force but an AI that constantly turtles On top of this its 10 energy per run?

I get that the fight was intended to be difficult but this fight seems like it was designed with revive farming being allowed. You know it’s overboard when even GroundedWisdom agrees

BringPopcorn

3 full energy refills used to test Robots.. none of them worked good... I should have used them towards EQ...
Anything positive lately gone down the drain with this nodes, energy cost, and unforgiving objective...

Bendy

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

Pretty much these champs as no other sin6 will work as the dot immune and gamma basically those 2 and robots honestly i dont see many working there as the crit through block

GroundedWisdom

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you

You can only get away with saying that up to a certain point. The overwhelming majority of feedback on here is that it's overtuned and too restrictive. That can always be subjective, but better Players than myself agree, so that blanket statement doesn't apply here. It's not meant for everyone, sure. When it's that limited overall, why bother putting it out for Paragons at all? Just release it for Valiant alone.
Sometimes that statement applies. I don't think it applies in this case.

GroundedWisdom

I'd also like to know how this Fight means a "few" Revives.

StarSmasher2001

Nah bro I think I'll spend less units just getting the 5k piece at the end. High energy cost, poor counter choices, BS nodes? Won't even bother.

BigPoppaCBONE

Nah bro I think I'll spend less units just getting the 5k piece at the end. High energy cost, poor counter choices, BS nodes? Won't even bother.

F it, we ~~ball~~ arena grind.

Emilia90

This was my best attempt with 2099. If you stay passive and reparry, it works, but the block damage is crazy. I could solo 100% if he didn’t hit like 8k through my block

the_eradicator

Why the heck is the energy cost 10 to reach the boss ? You want us to spend units on travelling till the boss while trying out counters ? ..what kind of **** is this ?

ItsClobberinTime

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you
You can only get away with saying that up to a certain point. The overwhelming majority of feedback on here is that it's overtuned and too restrictive. That can always be subjective, but better Players than myself agree, so that blanket statement doesn't apply here. It's not meant for everyone, sure. When it's that limited overall, why bother putting it out for Paragons at all? Just release it for Valiant alone.
Sometimes that statement applies. I don't think it applies in this case.

This, the whole objective thing wouldn't be as much of an issue if multiple champs from each tag worked. Problem? There are only like two champs from each tag that actually work, robots don't have a single one and the one that works (Warlock) is bugged. The restrictions this time around are absolutely ridiculous and I believe the right wording here should be "Everest Content Meant for Whale Sized Accounts" not "Everest Content Made for Endgame Players". I can guarantee not a single f2p Paragon will be able to get those objectives done even if they've already done at least one Necropolis path and have all story content 100%.

ItsClobberinTime

You guys think Kabam will actually respond? Sincerely hope so because…seriously what is this lmao
I wish they did but knowing them, they probably won't. I really don't get why they're still using that stupid brute force node in this game, it's so lame.
Taking damage for doing nothing is lazy game design like where is the challenge there? I can't hit you cause you're close to three bars and not throwing the damn special, I also can't parry you cause of the the crits through block, and I can't stand there doing nothing cause it's the same as you hitting me then what the hell am I supposed to do just die? 🙃
Sigh, I'm extremely disappointed, I expected challenging fun nodes like Necropolis but nah they had to ruin it with brute force as per usual, cheapest way to make content harder but unlike Necropolis, make it annoying af too.
Yeah it’s a lose-lose situation. The fight was already hard enough as it is, but the fact that one blocked hit can kill a boosted 7* r2 is crazy.

Necro was peak design and I was so happy that they went for a skill ask. You could smash through it with Aegon and spend more, or bring in good counters and take the fight slowly. It was perfect execution and even the charges running out didn’t have to mean instant death.

This doesn’t even feel like it was made by the same people. It feels so artificially inflated to be hard. Basically, “I wonder how many punishing nodes I can cram onto a fight that costs 10 energy to get to.”

Yep, and on top of all this there's also the fact that there are barely two or three options for each objective. If they wanted to make objectives based around tags why did they feel the need to make the fights even more restrictive by shutting down 90% of the champs that have those tags?

You're right, this feels like it was designed by someone else, same guy who designed pre nerf Act 6 back in the day and Abyss of Legends bs probably.

Grub88

It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you
That is terrible logic. Its limited time content and you are saying anyone that doesnt have a specific counter can't do the content, what would be the point of playing a game that is that restrictive. Another Kabam brown noser

Jack2634

The challenge overall is cool. Not really fun as i found his AI to be weird. Sandman (sp2 spam) and hulk(sp3 rotation,), are soloable. g2099 is painful bs sp1 spam and wish he won't crit into block .

benshb

The only thing I can agree with is the energy requirement. And maybe that the valiant objective should have been the #robot, since not just for #sinistersix, but all together Sandman is the most optimal counter.

Jack2634

the most bs thing is energy cost , 10 per tries. God , it didn't have and shouldn't have be that way

Gamer

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you

For me this isn’t a everrest contest for me this is a challenging contest for me Everest contest shouldn’t be limited. Probably just a me things

GroundedWisdom

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.

So to sum up the only options are
Gamma - She Hulk or Hulk
Robot - Guillotine 2099 (maybe Warlock if they fix bug)
Sinister 6 - Sandman
Does anyone know any other options people can done it with? Limiting content to that low of a champ pool is just ridiculous. The game is RNG based there will be less than 0.1% of the player base that has all these options available and ranked up.
It's literally called the newest everest content, for late paragons and valiants. With these optimal champs R3 + a few revive should be enough. If you don't have these counters, or can't rank them to R3/r4 easily, then this content is not for you
You can only get away with saying that up to a certain point. The overwhelming majority of feedback on here is that it's overtuned and too restrictive. That can always be subjective, but better Players than myself agree, so that blanket statement doesn't apply here. It's not meant for everyone, sure. When it's that limited overall, why bother putting it out for Paragons at all? Just release it for Valiant alone.
Sometimes that statement applies. I don't think it applies in this case.
This, the whole objective thing wouldn't be as much of an issue if multiple champs from each tag worked. Problem? There are only like two champs from each tag that actually work, robots don't have a single one and the one that works (Warlock) is bugged. The restrictions this time around are absolutely ridiculous and I believe the right wording here should be "Everest Content Meant for Whale Sized Accounts" not "Everest Content Made for Endgame Players". I can guarantee not a single f2p Paragon will be able to get those objectives done even if they've already done at least one Necropolis path and have all story content 100%.

I think it's a combination of things, really. Individually they're not too much, but all together, it's overboard. I'm usually silent on these things but I agree it's a bit much. The limiting options PLUS Brute Force and the Nodes PLUS the Energy cost for exploring options and retrying PLUS the lack of room to miss Points.....etc.

Emilia90

After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭

startropics

lower the energy per tile from 5 to 1 or 2. this is ridiculous.

Bendy

After more testing, it seems like Guilly is easily the best option for #robot (unless warlock turns out to be a god for it), but it’s a painful fight like someone else said. Solo is possible but really really hard because he’ll crit into block sometimes, but she can do it in one 20% revive if you play it perfectly and the AI cooperates

So glad I picked Hulk over Bishop from the selector cause he’s my only good option for Gamma. I’ll take him to r2 and try again and again and hopefully that should be a solo

I have no sandman over a 5* level so I’m pretty screwed for sinister 6 😭

Damn that sucks that u dont have a sandman over a 5 but im sure he would work still at r5 and ascended

Gamer

lower the energy per tile from 5 to 1 or 2. this is ridiculous.

Or zero