Kabam take off a month.

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.

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Sundance_2099

ahmynuts

I don't think you know how the operation of the game works since you think this would make a difference

Sundance_2099

I don't think you know how the operation of the game works since you think this would make a difference

nobody who suggests this ever understands how the game, or the game-as-service model, works

Demonzfyre

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.

Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.

MrSakuragi

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.

JLordVileJ

I don't think you know how the operation of the game works since you think this would make a difference
nobody who suggests this ever understands how the game, or the game-as-service model, works

Ong

Pikolu

Name checks out

Cure2024

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.

Bro IT doesn't work like McDonald's, resources are allotted depending on needs. OP has a point. I don't think OP is asking for a technician to start developing in Java to fix bugs. In IT everything is a project. Kabam has an issue with bugs and need to allot more resources and man power there.

BTW in McDonald's everyone is trained to do everything so they can replace each other when needed and depending on work load. And employees don't fix broken machines.

Cure2024

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.

They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.

Pikolu

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.
Bro IT doesn't work like McDonald's, resources are allotted depending on needs. OP has a point. I don't think OP is asking for a technician to start developing in Java to fix bugs. In IT everything is a project. Kabam has an issue with bugs and need to allot more resources and man power there.

BTW in McDonald's everyone is trained to do everything so they can replace each other when needed and depending on work load. And employees don't fix broken machines.

That's not how a game company works. The champion designers aren't trained/qualified to mess with all the back-end code. The quest designers and art team would be out of a job, and it would take just about just as long to fix everything if there was content still pushed out. This isn't a 1-month sprint and you're done. This also isn't an IT project that can be done within a month, but a software engineering project with an estimate of upwards to multiple years to complete. If they stopped releasing content until all the bugs were fixed, then the game will straight up die because most of the playerbase would have moved on with no content being released.

It might seem logical that many hands make light work, but too many cooks in the kitchen actually reduces productivity. Another fun model with software engineering is adding people to a project halfway through actually increases how long it will take because of the time it'll take for them to be trained and get used to the code and whatnot

EdisonLaw

I’m afraid that’s not how mcoc works

Pikolu

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.

Hmmm, new account, has 2024 in it like a few redfire alts. Coincidence? I think not!

BringPopcorn

Why not take off 2 months.. or 3...

Nightheart

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.
Hmmm, new account, has 2024 in it like a few redfire alts. Coincidence? I think not!

Didn't his wife leave him in the streets how is he back?

Pikolu

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.
Hmmm, new account, has 2024 in it like a few redfire alts. Coincidence? I think not!
Didn't his wife leave him in the streets how is he back?

Probably used her credit card to download RAM which gave another mcoc forum account?

If it is actually redfire, then that would mean he can say goodbye to his ingame accounts like miike promised.

Bendy

These posts are always funny to see of people asking for bug to be fixed

Nightheart

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.
Hmmm, new account, has 2024 in it like a few redfire alts. Coincidence? I think not!
Didn't his wife leave him in the streets how is he back?
Probably used her credit card to download RAM which gave another mcoc forum account?

If it is actually redfire, then that would mean he can say goodbye to his ingame accounts like miike promised.

Then he will brag he is pay to win while spending only 6.01 dollars 💸 After that he will hide in his bathroom to escape from his angry wife because he stole her credit card. 😂

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ahmynuts

These posts are always funny to see of people asking for bug to be fixed

It always sounds like "kabam if your artists go on vacation your bug fixing team will have more time to fix your game" and it never makes sense

Demonzfyre

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.
Bro IT doesn't work like McDonald's, resources are allotted depending on needs. OP has a point. I don't think OP is asking for a technician to start developing in Java to fix bugs. In IT everything is a project. Kabam has an issue with bugs and need to allot more resources and man power there.

BTW in McDonald's everyone is trained to do everything so they can replace each other when needed and depending on work load. And employees don't fix broken machines.

Tell me you know nothing about IT without telling me you know nothing about IT.

Demonzfyre

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.

My guy, champion designers go from one champ to the next that they're assigned. Each new champion takes roughly 6 months to design (maybe 3, I can't remember the exact time frame). Kabam is compartmentalized. They don't cross over to other areas of the game. U.I designers don't have input on champion design. Champion designers may consult with one of the devs that is working on a bug to get the correct numbers but that's probably the extent.

DNA3000

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.
Bro IT doesn't work like McDonald's, resources are allotted depending on needs. OP has a point. I don't think OP is asking for a technician to start developing in Java to fix bugs. In IT everything is a project. Kabam has an issue with bugs and need to allot more resources and man power there.

BTW in McDonald's everyone is trained to do everything so they can replace each other when needed and depending on work load. And employees don't fix broken machines.

You’re right, the normal McDonalds crew doesn’t fix the kitchen equipment. Because in general, the skill set to cook and serve food at a McDonalds has nothing to do with fixing industrial kitchen appliances. Similarly, in IT there are disciplines and specialties. You don’t ask the dbas to go fix the Java servlets or the router engineers to shift over to troubleshooting the federation servers.

Most of game development has nothing to do with programming or anything remotely related to anything IT. Champions are designed by artists, animators, sound engineers, ability balance designers, and play testers. None of those skills translates to working on the Unity engine. Same thing goes for content creation. There are people who work on the stuff, and then there are people who work on the stuff that runs the stuff. Some people are cross trained to do elements of both, but that’s not common.

I’ve been an IT professional for over thirty years, and I’m the widest interdisciplinarian I know. I’ve also worked with game development professionals and done contract game design work. I’m not just guessing about either field. The idea that you can just shift people around on demand is ludicrous in the general case in both fields.

If I have a question about the game economy there’s a guy I ask. If I have a question about game operations there’s a different guy. Battlegrounds, a different guy. Champ design, other people. No one knows everything, or can work on everything.

Karatemike415

Shadowstrike

Okay, so a few things:

1. Not everyone is having the same experiences that you are with dropped inputs or freezing or crashes. Unfortunately, you're suffering some of the worst aspects of what's been going on while other folks, like myself, haven't had any of those issues at all, and it's not me saying "if I'm not having that problem, then no one else is" but it does help for you to be specific about your issues and if possible show that evidence so that way they can figure out what's going on because as other threads have pointed out, sometimes it's a device issue and sometimes it's a legitimate bug that is only affecting a small percentage of the community.

2. As people have pointed out the teams are divided into separate parts of the game and even on the live streams, Kabam themselves have even said that someone who works in Champion design is not familiar with the background issues or input issues, so you're just throwing random bodies to try and fix a problem that they are not equipped or knowledgeable to fix.

2. The gaming industry is not as stable as you think it is and for any other game taking a month off without having at least reliable or consistent content available would be a death blow and considering the fact that as of right now MCOC is the biggest game under kabam's umbrella, they're under more pressure to not have to take down the game for an extended period of time for maintenance.

3. Finally something that is just as vital to this whole conversation but also never gets brought up is the fact that not only does Kabam have have Netmarble to answer to but they also have to answer to Marvel Comics, so you saying that "it would be wise of them to take a month off" might work for you but it doesn't work for Marvel, especially if they have content they want to cross promote across their platforms.

Plus considering that Marvel have all the licenses to all the characters that we love to use in the game, it's unlikely that Kabam is going to refuse them and say "I'm sorry, we can't release those two new champs you want/ pay us to promote because this one guy asked us to stop everything we're doing for A WHOLE MONTH and they to fix the things that we've been fixing behind the scenes because he's not feeling that difference fast enough. So we cool?"

jcphillips7

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

Does the person working the fry station fix the machine if they aren't trained in that process?

This whole entire post has been asked and answered probably as much why spider man is evading venom. There's an entire team that's dedicated to fixing bugs. They also generally don't fix bugs on the live server and fix them on a copy of the game in a dev environment.

Educate yourself on these things before posting. Search to see if it's been brought up before. Don't use the forums search but use Google. It's faster and more accurate.
Bro IT doesn't work like McDonald's, resources are allotted depending on needs. OP has a point. I don't think OP is asking for a technician to start developing in Java to fix bugs. In IT everything is a project. Kabam has an issue with bugs and need to allot more resources and man power there.

BTW in McDonald's everyone is trained to do everything so they can replace each other when needed and depending on work load. And employees don't fix broken machines.
You’re right, the normal McDonalds crew doesn’t fix the kitchen equipment. Because in general, the skill set to cook and serve food at a McDonalds has nothing to do with fixing industrial kitchen appliances. Similarly, in IT there are disciplines and specialties. You don’t ask the dbas to go fix the Java servlets or the router engineers to shift over to troubleshooting the federation servers.

Most of game development has nothing to do with programming or anything remotely related to anything IT. Champions are designed by artists, animators, sound engineers, ability balance designers, and play testers. None of those skills translates to working on the Unity engine. Same thing goes for content creation. There are people who work on the stuff, and then there are people who work on the stuff that runs the stuff. Some people are cross trained to do elements of both, but that’s not common.

I’ve been an IT professional for over thirty years, and I’m the widest interdisciplinarian I know. I’ve also worked with game development professionals and done contract game design work. I’m not just guessing about either field. The idea that you can just shift people around on demand is ludicrous in the general case in both fields.

If I have a question about the game economy there’s a guy I ask. If I have a question about game operations there’s a different guy. Battlegrounds, a different guy. Champ design, other people. No one knows everything, or can work on everything.

This is exactly how it was for me being an IT in the Navy. Sure we all knew (or would quickly learn) the basics to keep the ship/ship afloat, but when it came to certain other tasks involving certain systems or programming, it was usually to the person who went to the specialized school or held the NEC for that. Wasn’t always ideal, but that’s the way it worked.

Same applies to civilian ITs. Sure, anyone can get ALL the certifications, but that doesn’t automatically make them SMEs on a certain particular matter. That takes time and length of OJT within that certain field/subsection.

BigPoppaCBONE

To be all the way fair, OP never said anything about random Kabam employees rolling their sleeves up and getting at some code. Someone else said that wasn't going to happen and then everyone after piled on like the opposite was stated.

OP didn't say to shut the game down for a month. Rotating through multiple side events + players testing content fixes. I assume this would come with appropriate rewards so players wouldn't miss out on any of a typical monthly item haul. What real difference does it make if a champ is introduced but doesn't feature in the month? IIRC, didn't Korg drop without being in the content?

Vegeta9001

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

I'd hope not, the mcflurry machines are never on.

Cure2024

What should champion and quest designers do during that month? You don’t want them trying to fix bugs.
They always have multiple projects. You think a designer just sit there doing nothing once he has finished designing a champ ? You guys confuse a regular 9 to 5 office clerk job with IT. In IT it doesn't work like this.
Hmmm, new account, has 2024 in it like a few redfire alts. Coincidence? I think not!
Didn't his wife leave him in the streets how is he back?
Probably used her credit card to download RAM which gave another mcoc forum account?

If it is actually redfire, then that would mean he can say goodbye to his ingame accounts like miike promised.

I am not redfire, you can ask Miike whatever you want. For someone with Guardian title you sure are very quick to accuse people and do personal attacks.

Also to answer to your reply about graphic designer. I never once said he should be working on code. I know it is a game company but from development point of view they are pretty much an IT company.

For example I work in a large insurance company we have an IT department who have 150+ employees. Different people work on different projects. They charge us by hour even though they are part of the same company. IT get demands from different departments of companies, either it is bug reports, new software/Tool to develop. Each time they allot different people on different projects depending on priorities.

A guy working on UI interface will not always have demand from our department it won't mean he is out of job. The guy like this work for multiple projects for multiple departments. I am very much sure at Kabam it is same, someone working on graphic designer doesn't just work on MCOC only.

So kabam could easily allot for a month a graphic budget to bug fixing. It won't mean it's graphic designer who will debug.

I hope I am clear, sorry English is not my first language. And please try to be adult and respectful to other people opinions.

Thanks

Cure2024

@DNA3000 please read my reply above. And also please quote a message from me where I said graphic designer should start coding?

BeastDad

With the building bugs and stuff not working and just pure crappy content. Take a month off.
Take a month of and do maintenance on all content. For that month you could have Forge be the new champ. You don't even need to release Forge just have him as the story teller and the whole month is just side events. Fix one piece of content and make the new side event a test of that content and you have your plays show you where the problems are. And just keep rotating between bg, aw and aq, and fixing the AI, incursions, arena, and other content. This is a perfect chance to have a very minimal month event but still something we all can do, and gives you the chance to fully focus on fixing everything. This will greatly improve the quality of the game and people may actually like playing again.
Can I ask you a question? When the McFlury machine breaks at McDonald's, do they close the entire store and stop serving all food while someone fixes the machine?

I'd hope not, the mcflurry machines are never on.

They are in some cases, the employees just use it as an excuse to not have to serve ice cream..

After all, why work harder than you need to?