Unfair Battleground

Fed up of these unfair matchups. Last fight my top champ 16k their top row were all over 24k and all duped. This is on silver 2. I would understand if it was platinum or higher. Sort it out KABAM

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Pikolu

To paraphrase what DNA said, there probably isn't enough people of your strength playing, so the matchmaker is getting more loose with matchups otherwise you'll be waiting in the queue forever.

Mr Wilson Fisk

Lol I'm recent paragon stuck in bronze 1 because every time I get ready to move up the game matches me with valients with a 7* meistro at rank 2...

Skyfaw

I want next, queue up real quick.

Mead83

I’m 1.2mil hero rate. my last matchup was 2.4mil

BringPopcorn

I’m 1.2mil hero rate. my last matchup was 2.4mil

Rating doesnt matter.
I have a 5m+ rating and 3m+ come from maxed 1-4 star champs.

DarkNightRise

To paraphrase what DNA said, there probably isn't enough people of your strength playing, so the matchmaker is getting more loose with matchups otherwise you'll be waiting in the queue forever.

Does that mean less and less new players in this game?

DNA3000

To paraphrase what DNA said, there probably isn't enough people of your strength playing, so the matchmaker is getting more loose with matchups otherwise you'll be waiting in the queue forever.
Does that mean less and less new players in this game?

It is more likely to be a combination of two factors. First, less enthusiasm from high strength players means they do fewer matches per day, and thus linger in VT tiers longer. And that increases the probability that a lower strength player will face them, causing fewer lower strength players to engage with Battlegrounds, meaning it is harder for them to find each other in the lower tiers.

A lot of players - probably the vast majority of them - do not understand that VT tiers get weaker and easier over time as stronger players promote, so many are just jumping in at the start and seeing very high match ups, and giving up without trying to find matches later in the season. This is eroding the number of players engaging in the mode from the bottom up.

Ironically, it might have been the high milestone rewards from a few seasons ago that hurt the mode. This caused a lot of players to join and try to push hard and fast, including lower strength and lower progression players because those rewards were not progression scaled - meaning they were more valuable to lower progression players, encouraging them to push harder. This caused a flood of lower strength players to play, which made it easier for them to find each other and match each other. But once those rewards were removed, fewer players joined, and this caused a self-reinforcing spiral downward - the fewer lower strength players there are, the harder it is for those that remain, and the more they are discouraged from participating.

JT_Supreme

24k? I wish I got that. This guy I played in diamond only had 1 champ below 24k. Super fun times.

ItsClobberinTime

To paraphrase what DNA said, there probably isn't enough people of your strength playing, so the matchmaker is getting more loose with matchups otherwise you'll be waiting in the queue forever.
Does that mean less and less new players in this game?
It is more likely to be a combination of two factors. First, less enthusiasm from high strength players means they do fewer matches per day, and thus linger in VT tiers longer. And that increases the probability that a lower strength player will face them, causing fewer lower strength players to engage with Battlegrounds, meaning it is harder for them to find each other in the lower tiers.

A lot of players - probably the vast majority of them - do not understand that VT tiers get weaker and easier over time as stronger players promote, so many are just jumping in at the start and seeing very high match ups, and giving up without trying to find matches later in the season. This is eroding the number of players engaging in the mode from the bottom up.

Ironically, it might have been the high milestone rewards from a few seasons ago that hurt the mode. This caused a lot of players to join and try to push hard and fast, including lower strength and lower progression players because those rewards were not progression scaled - meaning they were more valuable to lower progression players, encouraging them to push harder. This caused a flood of lower strength players to play, which made it easier for them to find each other and match each other. But once those rewards were removed, fewer players joined, and this caused a self-reinforcing spiral downward - the fewer lower strength players there are, the harder it is for those that remain, and the more they are discouraged from participating.

Can confirm this was the case for me at least. I played my five matches last season and stopped there cause I needed a break and well, I was hoping rewards and store would be better this season.

I started on Silver this season and until two days ago, I was still stomping Cav and TB accounts who still had 5* in their decks non stop. For context this is my deck:

It wasn't until today when I reached Diamond that I started getting fair matchups.

I'm not saying matchmaking shouldn't be random in Plat and above cause it should but there's definitely an issue in Plat and below atm. There's been less participation and even the ones that are playing BGs, are playing less. Hope this changes soon, I'd hate for this game mode to die cause it's the best game mode by far but those milestone rewards and store prices for Paragon are just brutal right now and I'm sure that's part of the reason people like me aren't playing BGs as much. Then again, 8.4 is a couple of months away so I don't even know if any of this matters lol.

Mead83

Silver 1 match up. Seriously

Azdef

I understand all the issues with BG's but somehow the thing that bothers me the most is the Loki emote! no seriously...

ItsClobberinTime

Silver 1 match up. Seriously

As someone already pointed out, this is probably due to lack of players. It's either that or wait 20 minutes to find one match.

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ItsClobberinTime

Hqve not played battlegrounds for a while thought why not give it another go and reminded myself why i hate battlegrounds kabam the match ups are stupid the defender ai holding onto specials for dear life untill it hits red u can literally die from ONE sp3 am i missing anything else ??

If you're dying from sp3s in a non power gain meta then you probably don't know how to actually bait specials and you're just holding block too much lmao

DNA3000

It wasn't until today when I reached Diamond that I started getting fair matchups.

Just for reference, I did not push hard last season and so I started in P3 this season. I am now in D4, and I have seen very, very few match ups that were extremely unbalanced in my favor, just one or two by my estimation. I've seen maybe three that were only moderately unbalanced in my favor, and everything else was either equal or superior match ups (by roster strength at least). That's probably a dozen or so matches at or above my roster strength, three slightly under, and two much under. I am not seeing the strings of weak match ups I used to see several seasons ago.

Whoever is beating up the weaker roster players, it isn't me. But because we're not likely to see lots of players come onto the forums to post that their match ups seem completely ordinary, it is difficult to know how much of a statistical anomaly it is to get a lot of weaker or stronger matches. In other words, I don't know if more people look like you, or look like me, in relative terms. I do know both of our experiences are happening, though.

This might be due to the fact that I'm Valiant, and the match maker is weighing that significantly. What is your current progression tier, if I may ask?

Chuck_Finley

Nothing says a game mode is doing great like matchmaking complaints being dismissed because of lack of play and interest from the highest levels on down.

“You aren’t getting better matchups because everyone around your level has figured out the mode is pointless… and there aren’t enough higher accounts interested in playing the mode consistently to move up”

I remember when this was posited a few months back and we were all assured this wasn’t happening. Guess that top level BG store buff didn’t fix it either.

Weird.

BringPopcorn

Nothing says a game mode is doing great like matchmaking complaints being dismissed because of lack of play and interest from the highest levels on down.

“You aren’t getting better matchups because everyone around your level has figured out the mode is pointless… and there aren’t enough higher accounts interested in playing the mode consistently to move up”

I remember when this was posited a few months back and we were all assured this wasn’t happening. Guess that top level BG store buff didn’t fix it either.

Weird.

It was bound to happen though...
Same as AQ where u see strong people doing map 5 or 6 just for some glory, or even war where you can see monster accounts in Gold....

DNA3000

Nothing says a game mode is doing great like matchmaking complaints being dismissed because of lack of play and interest from the highest levels on down.

“You aren’t getting better matchups because everyone around your level has figured out the mode is pointless… and there aren’t enough higher accounts interested in playing the mode consistently to move up”

I remember when this was posited a few months back and we were all assured this wasn’t happening. Guess that top level BG store buff didn’t fix it either.

Weird.

The simple fact is, game modes are not worth saving at any cost. If competition is the problem, bribery isn't going to fix it. It is ultimately up to the playerbase to decide if having a competitive game mode is worth having around and worth their time. If it isn't, then ultimately the game mode will die.

But I would rather see it die than see Uncollected players coddled into GC, and I would bet anything that the devs would sooner see it die than turn into a game economy nightmare of constantly escalating bribery that forces every other game mode to have to compete against Monty Hall.

I'm not saying it is inevitable the mode will die, and I'm not saying there aren't ways to adjust it to potentially make it more palatable. But none of those things removes the need for players to deal with stronger match ups if they intend on progressing past those players, and complaining about the rewards of a game mode that just months before people were saying were so high every other game mode must now catch up is being deliberately blind to the damaging effects of reward inflation. Every reward buff everywhere causes one thing, and one thing only: demands for everything else to catch up. At some point, you have to draw the line somewhere.

BG rewards will go over time, just like everything else does. But that should happen at the natural rate of inflation. Doing so to specifically encourage players to play a mode they would otherwise not play is a losing proposition. The giant milestone temporary rewards are proof of that. Everyone is waiting for the next one, just like everyone used to wait for the next Gold boost or the next Summoner's Advancement milestones.

Grub88

Came to make a post but may as well add to this one.

Can someone explain how these accounts are in GC?

JT_Supreme

Came to make a post but may as well add to this one.

Can someone explain how these accounts are in GC?

Better gaming chair

ItsClobberinTime

It wasn't until today when I reached Diamond that I started getting fair matchups.
Just for reference, I did not push hard last season and so I started in P3 this season. I am now in D4, and I have seen very, very few match ups that were extremely unbalanced in my favor, just one or two by my estimation. I've seen maybe three that were only moderately unbalanced in my favor, and everything else was either equal or superior match ups (by roster strength at least). That's probably a dozen or so matches at or above my roster strength, three slightly under, and two much under. I am not seeing the strings of weak match ups I used to see several seasons ago.

Whoever is beating up the weaker roster players, it isn't me. But because we're not likely to see lots of players come onto the forums to post that their match ups seem completely ordinary, it is difficult to know how much of a statistical anomaly it is to get a lot of weaker or stronger matches. In other words, I don't know if more people look like you, or look like me, in relative terms. I do know both of our experiences are happening, though.

This might be due to the fact that I'm Valiant, and the match maker is weighing that significantly. What is your current progression tier, if I may ask?

I'm currently Paragon so yes, it's a possibility.

Another thing I've noticed (and I'm not sure if it's just pure coincidence or not) is that whenever I play at around 12pm-4pm PST I get matched with other Paragons with very similar decks however when I play at around 8pm-12am PST it's the complete opposite, I face a ton of lower accounts (well, I was until I hit Diamond 4). Not sure if time has anything to do with this or not but I have tested it and so far it's been like that.

Greekhit

Came to make a post but may as well add to this one.

Can someone explain how these accounts are in GC?

There are only two options for this to happen:
1. Prestige matchmaking persists after Platinum tiers throughout VT, at least up to a serious extend or
2. Modding
In both cases Kabam is seriously exposed and needs to explain which of these two happens, as long as taking action on this issue.
These accounts SHOULDN'T be at GC even the last days of a busy season, not the first week of a regular season 😠

Warren_pain

People are so frustrated they just pairing up and losing to eachother on purpose they come to global alot saying anyone wanna do bg ill let you beat me.......

[Deleted User]

People are so frustrated they just pairing up and losing to eachother on purpose they come to global alot saying anyone wanna do bg ill let you beat me.......

Not sure what the point is in that, there's nothing to gain from that.

BringPopcorn

People are so frustrated they just pairing up and losing to eachother on purpose they come to global alot saying anyone wanna do bg ill let you beat me.......

.... There is no way to ensure you match a person, not sure why that would matter.

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JLordVileJ

Lol I'm recent paragon stuck in bronze 1 because every time I get ready to move up the game matches me with valients with a 7* meistro at rank 2...

Haha lol I'm thronebreaker, plat 2. I was plat 3, won a match, second match someone forfeited and third match I won by like one point.Its always the last match where they decide to end your career lmao