Didn't know MCOC Mods were racist

Deathsworker

Eb0ny-O-M4w

... Who's gonna tell him?

Deathsworker

That kabam only supports english speakers?

JLordVileJ

Slayer of gods isn't employed by kabam as far as I know and he was probs saying that to make sure what they are saying isn't inappropriate

Samanun

Use ur noggin

我是Wayne

Slayer of gods is just randomly banning people without valid reasons, knew it was doomed the moment he was mod in the official server with the circus show he did in umcoc years ago that led him to become banned from there

Deathsworker

JLordVileJ said:

Slayer of gods isn't employed by kabam as far as I know and he was probs saying that to make sure what they are saying isn't inappropriate

It's an official MCOC server therefore MCOC is responsible for the mods they employ.

Dose_Responsive

Explain why an English language Forum mod is racist for stating English only?

Ayden_noah1

Deathsworker said:

What was the original post and how many post was made before it. Unfortunately all I see is one side of the story. There's usually at least two sides of a story. If I only OP side of the story, I assuming it's going to be in favour OP's opinion.

Wicket329

Kabam can’t have unmoderated conversation happening on an official platform. The mods cannot possibly account for every language spoken by the playerbase. And, to preempt an argument, it is insufficient to have only one or two mods who speak a language, because they obviously cannot monitor all of the conversation that takes place on a busy server. You’d need a whole team of mods for every supported language.

Therefore, Kabam must choose a language to support. The one spoken by all of their employees and moderators, as well as a statistically significant amount of their playerbase (probably majority but can’t guarantee that) makes the most sense and doesn’t require hiring of additional personnel.

It’s not a racist thing, it’s a business decision that needed to be made. Also, a person of any race can speak English (I know it’s a horrible mutt of a language to learn, but just saying that English is not tied to a specific race).

Unio77

There’s an official discord server?
Someone link it

SummonerNR

Unio77 said:

There’s an official discord server?
Someone link it

New Announcement post (one of 3 new ones today) at top of Forums here.
(although I get a Link Not Found when I try to get to it).

GroundedWisdom

How is that racist? There are language-based servers that can only communicate in that language successfully, and that's as much about conveying the information appropriately as it is about keeping the server organized.

DNA3000

Ayden_noah1 said:

Deathsworker said:

What was the original post and how many post was made before it. Unfortunately all I see is one side of the story. There's usually at least two sides of a story. If I only OP side of the story, I assuming it's going to be in favour OP's opinion.

The English rule is currently an official rule that I believe is in the welcome message to the Discord. At the moment Kabam does not have the resources to properly manage and moderate other languages, and thus at the moment English is the only supported language on the forums.

To properly moderate a language in the Discord, especially when it is or can be a high traffic server, requires not just having mods, but having a sufficient number to cover the Discord continuously, with overlapping coverage, with enough people to catch things as they stream by, with sufficient language mastery to not just be able to translate the conversations like a dictionary but also pick up the linguistic and cultural nuances, plus all the ways to curse, insult, or exclaim bigotry in that language. *Plus* the internal staff to manage and monitor those moderators, plus perform the necessary translation services for anything that shows up on the Discord from the staff. It isn't just about getting a couple volunteers and away you go.

Kabam is responsible for all the content on the Discord, and has a code of conduct they intend to enforce. It will take some time to expand that to other languages, because the Discord is not just a free for all to allow people to express themselves.

EdisonLaw

@SlayerOfGods explain yourself please

Deathsworker

我是Wayne said:

Wicket329 said:

Kabam can’t have unmoderated conversation happening on an official platform. The mods cannot possibly account for every language spoken by the playerbase. And, to preempt an argument, it is insufficient to have only one or two mods who speak a language, because they obviously cannot monitor all of the conversation that takes place on a busy server. You’d need a whole team of mods for every supported language.

Therefore, Kabam must choose a language to support. The one spoken by all of their employees and moderators, as well as a statistically significant amount of their playerbase (probably majority but can’t guarantee that) makes the most sense and doesn’t require hiring of additional personnel.

It’s not a racist thing, it’s a business decision that needed to be made. Also, a person of any race can speak English (I know it’s a horrible mutt of a language to learn, but just saying that English is not tied to a specific race).

Pretty sure Slayer is just randomly banning people tho, I got banned for calling Nagase the ytber, a friend I've known for months, Nagussy even tho it's a nickname I've called him for months. Didn't know it wasn't allowed+should've been a mute at best

So it sounds like we can add mod abuse and racism to the list

pseudosane

我是Wayne said:

Wicket329 said:

Kabam can’t have unmoderated conversation happening on an official platform. The mods cannot possibly account for every language spoken by the playerbase. And, to preempt an argument, it is insufficient to have only one or two mods who speak a language, because they obviously cannot monitor all of the conversation that takes place on a busy server. You’d need a whole team of mods for every supported language.

Therefore, Kabam must choose a language to support. The one spoken by all of their employees and moderators, as well as a statistically significant amount of their playerbase (probably majority but can’t guarantee that) makes the most sense and doesn’t require hiring of additional personnel.

It’s not a racist thing, it’s a business decision that needed to be made. Also, a person of any race can speak English (I know it’s a horrible mutt of a language to learn, but just saying that English is not tied to a specific race).

Pretty sure Slayer is just randomly banning people tho, I got banned for calling Nagase the ytber, a friend I've known for months, Nagussy even tho it's a nickname I've called him for months. Didn't know it wasn't allowed+should've been a mute at best

He isnt.

SummonerNR

(Quote) Randomly banning people

Are they actually able to Ban people ? And is that what happened ?

Or is it that they just removed the particular comment (like can be done up here, but just isn’t noticeable because deleted comments in Forum here don’t typically get a “message deleted” line leftover afterwards) ?

Mackey

Please shed some light on your thought process here .... ones language does not speak to ones race. I speak English but you don't know what my race is

Deathsworker

Mackey said:

Please shed some light on your thought process here .... ones language does not speak to ones race. I speak English but you don't know what my race is

You must be unfamiliar with Raciolinguistics

Mackey

Deathsworker said:

Mackey said:

Please shed some light on your thought process here .... ones language does not speak to ones race. I speak English but you don't know what my race is

You must be unfamiliar with Raciolinguistics

Familiar or not, you cant say what race someone is from their language. You can assume, granted but you cant know.

Deathsworker

Mackey said:

Deathsworker said:

Mackey said:

Please shed some light on your thought process here .... ones language does not speak to ones race. I speak English but you don't know what my race is

You must be unfamiliar with Raciolinguistics

Familiar or not, you cant say what race someone is from their language. You can assume, granted but you cant know.

You can't know that someone isn't racist, you can assume, but you can't know.

Kabam Jax

Let's go ahead and stop the alarmist thread here, before it gets out of hand. There are rules in the forums and the discord that are "English only" not because we are gatekeeping these spaces from specific people, but because we're only able to moderate conversations in english.