i can't keep up with champs anymore

too many abilities, complex interactions, and champs tend to have a novel's worth of abilities that takes too long to learn. i can't do it. anyone else barely getting by in battlegrounds because of this?

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Rayven5220

I hear you. I don't have the memory for it.

Sw0rdMaster

Agree, a good example is Dani. She was released in June 2023, but alot of players including myself, didn't know how to dex her sp2 until now.

Zuro

Agree, a good example is Dani. She was released in June 2023, but alot of players including myself, didn't know how to dex her sp2 until now.

There is a huge difference between simply dexing a special and too much abilities lol

Emilia90

Agree, a good example is Dani. She was released in June 2023, but alot of players including myself, didn't know how to dex her sp2 until now.

How is that a good example lmao. She was never a great defender (she was never placed against me in battlegrounds) and you could just bait sp1’s. WoW just required that we do it

Emilia90

This game has been around for 10 years at this point and the list of champions will just keep increasing

There’s definitely a lot of depth now and there are interactions to learn and remember, but what exactly is the point of this post? Kabam can’t do anything about it and they’ll keep releasing new champs with new mechanics to keep the game fresh

Milan1405

too many abilities, complex interactions, and champs tend to have a novel's worth of abilities that takes too long to learn. i can't do it. anyone else barely getting by in battlegrounds because of this?

I agree. And I'm sick of seeing maxed out/7 star bullseyes, onslaughts, dust, serpents, especially since I haven't been lucky enough to pull any myself.

ahmynuts

too many abilities, complex interactions, and champs tend to have a novel's worth of abilities that takes too long to learn. i can't do it. anyone else barely getting by in battlegrounds because of this?
I agree. And I'm sick of seeing maxed out/7 star bullseyes, onslaughts, dust, serpents, especially since I haven't been lucky enough to pull any myself.

This one i will agree with. Not complicated kits, but stupid kits

Chuck_Finley

From champs to nodes - (for crying out loud, the latest side quest was more complicated on nodes than most chapter bosses in Act 7 and 8) - the game is getting too cute by half. Seems like everything is tuned to the MCOC YouTube content makers. The rest of us just want to mostly punch guys with our favorite Marvel champs in a mobile game - not construct diagrams and charts of the small windows when that is allowed to happen.

Priyabrata

I just saw prowler's champ spot light video, I have no effin what I just watched. It's like pouring water into a glass with a hole at the bottom.

winterthur

I look at the champ attribute rating. 🔜 I think it will all be max 5, and game developer needs to expand either with more attribute or rating number to say like 10.

PT_99

I just watch, "How to beat xoxo in 2 minutes" before fighting these days 🤧

JT_Supreme

When did onslaught come out? I still have no idea how to fight him since I constantly ban him. Just got photon under control tho so that’s something

ItsClobberinTime

Agreed, and it wouldn't be so bad if some of these champs were at least relevant offensively but so far the only meta relevant ones have been the defenders.
Chee'ilth, White Tiger, Ironheart, Destroyer and (based on what I saw from the deep dive) Spider Punk are all just not relevant imo like I genuinely have no interest in ranking them up or using them. They have multiple abilities, decent utility, cool animations and good damage but I struggle finding a place for them in my deck or questing teams and unless I had the 7* versions I just don't see a point to even invest in the 6* versions.

Also as a side note, Prowler's rotation looks like a nightmare to pull off for... well for no reason, he puts the same numbers as Ironheart in the same amount of time with the same debuffs (incinerate or rupture).

Rayven5220

I just watch, "How to beat xoxo in 2 minutes" before fighting these days 🤧

I do that and then forget by the time I'm in a BG fight against them, lol

You know how many times I've watched videos on maestro? Too many, and I still don't fully understand him, even though I own him, have red his kit many times, and fought him way more than I care to have fought him but yet, he still gets me alot.

Onslaught is an insta ban, no freaking idea how to counter him.

Just recently I discovered how good zemo is against photon, but without him I'm screwed.

Only because of showcase did I finally learn some of the ins and outs of Fantman, but even then he gets me too often still.

I need to start practicing over and over on some of these champs with different counters just to figure out exactly how and why they work the way they do, and why one champ is better than the next against them and NOT forget everything. It's a struggle because my memory is terrible.

TrongNov

When I see a champ whose abilities I've never spent time trying to read in opponents' decks, that's an immediate ban

Nightheart

At this rate we need a PHD in MCOC to understand champs and nodes.

PT_99

I just watch, "How to beat xoxo in 2 minutes" before fighting these days 🤧
I do that and then forget by the time I'm in a BG fight against them, lol

You know how many times I've watched videos on maestro? Too many, and I still don't fully understand him, even though I own him, have red his kit many times, and fought him way more than I care to have fought him but yet, he still gets me alot.

Onslaught is an insta ban, no freaking idea how to counter him.

Just recently I discovered how good zemo is against photon, but without him I'm screwed.

Only because of showcase did I finally learn some of the ins and outs of Fantman, but even then he gets me too often still.

I need to start practicing over and over on some of these champs with different counters just to figure out exactly how and why they work the way they do, and why one champ is better than the next against them and NOT forget everything. It's a struggle because my memory is terrible.

If you have pierce buff, fantman gets turned in OG captain America fight

Rasilover

Reading is lame

Zeke_the_Xbot

At this rate we need a PHD in MCOC to understand champs and nodes.

The funny thing is the devs don't understand the daunting task of learning and fully understanding these champs. Then again maybe they do and that is now just another aspect of the gacha formula.

Sundance_2099

This is why I took ages to get Uncollected and why I won't go further. I don't want to deal with all the complicated crud around nodes and what-not any more than I have to. I generally rely on brute-force tactics to get through monthly EQ and SQ more than ever; just use my 5*s to beat the snot out of the 3*s in Proven/Threat level 1.

BeastDad

The rest of us just want to mostly punch guys with our favorite Marvel champs in a mobile game - not construct diagrams and charts of the small windows when that is allowed to happen.

100%

MystG

About a year ago there was a time when I used to read all the new champions abilities, how to use the champs that I've recently pulled, etc etc. and i remember reading everything about the new released champs as we had to plan and defeat them in EQs.
Now everything is changed, there are so many champs, so much to read. So the new way is to just smash with herc and other max 6 stars and high-end 7 stars and don't need to bother reading anything about the champs.

There was a time when we were interested in learning the champion before ranking them up, but now lol, I explored necro, took Chavez from the selector, took her to r3, then only I did my first fight with her and I'm still exploring her kit.

The_Sentry06

I can't be bothered to keep up with new champions anymore. And for quests, I just look up MCOC NOOB on youtube. Kabam need to take a conscious effort to reduce the complexity of new champs and nodes. No one wants to spend more time reading the node than actually doing the fight themselves.

[Deleted User]

What's the point of this post??
If we only had champs with basic kits/ abilities/ interactions then you would be bored and ask for more and greater difficulty.
Either is too easy (8.3 and Cerastes), or too hard (Wow Abs), all you do is complain!!
If you want easy and braindead content then play candy crush, lol.

MavRCK_

too many abilities, complex interactions, and champs tend to have a novel's worth of abilities that takes too long to learn. i can't do it. anyone else barely getting by in battlegrounds because of this?
I agree. And I'm sick of seeing maxed out/7 star bullseyes, onslaughts, dust, serpents, especially since I haven't been lucky enough to pull any myself.

Almost 2 years havent pulled hulking. All cosmic nexus and dual crystals for nothing. It’s ridiculous not to have the right champ for a meta or a variety of challenges.

Then there are all these rank 3 7* and i have a duped spiderman.

Moosetiptronic

@Rayven5220 so this. If I don't watch videos on how they work and how to counter them, I just power through with herc, or typical hard counters to the class, kingpin, nimrod etc.

There are so many I've not read about and don't know why things happen in the fights when they do.

Onslaught, fantman, Adam, photon, shocker, werewolf, misty, infamous, sauron, scorpion, spot, maestro, bullseye, dust, viv. There will be more I'm not thinking of at the mo.

And it's probably the ones that counter their typical hard counters, or most of the class, that are most frustrating; maestro, bullseye, dust.

captain_rogers

too many abilities, complex interactions, and champs tend to have a novel's worth of abilities that takes too long to learn. i can't do it. anyone else barely getting by in battlegrounds because of this?

Yeah I lost against a maestro in bgs using abs man cuz I don't know maestro is incenerate immune.

captain_rogers

Agreed, and it wouldn't be so bad if some of these champs were at least relevant offensively but so far the only meta relevant ones have been the defenders.
Chee'ilth, White Tiger, Ironheart, Destroyer and (based on what I saw from the deep dive) Spider Punk are all just not relevant imo like I genuinely have no interest in ranking them up or using them. They have multiple abilities, decent utility, cool animations and good damage but I struggle finding a place for them in my deck or questing teams and unless I had the 7* versions I just don't see a point to even invest in the 6* versions.

Also as a side note, Prowler's rotation looks like a nightmare to pull off for... well for no reason, he puts the same numbers as Ironheart in the same amount of time with the same debuffs (incinerate or rupture).

Like, what's stopping kabam from making prowler or ironheart immune to neuroshocks? There's not a single champ in the game completely immune to onslaught's neuroshock.

JLordVileJ

What's the point of this post??
If we only had champs with basic kits/ abilities/ interactions then you would be bored and ask for more and greater difficulty.
Either is too easy (8.3 and Cerastes), or too hard (Wow Abs), all you do is complain!!
If you want easy and braindead content then play candy crush, lol.

Ay I ain't complaining but cerastes

Polygon

Was doing the Paragon Gauntlet with Magika tagged champs and had to restart 3 times because I didn’t realize that outside of the node that kept giving Destroyer power when hes below 50%, he was still getting to an sp3. Finally i saw that you need a non damaging debuff /cant dex otherwise he’ll keep gaining power