Who is better between below after buff

Yuvraj_267

My question isn't who get better buff but my question is who is better out of these after buffed, so my question is better buff❎better champion✅

Nightheart

All 4 are great honestly

AcidBurn404

All four are outclassed

Vxnxm

Personally I think luke cage is the weakest of all of them as he doesn't have much going for him accept his indestructible and immunity to bleed

ItsClobberinTime

People think Gladiator buff was better than Red Guardian's? 💀
I don't see Gladiator finishing fights in 30 secs lmao.

Cat_Murdock

Vxnxm said:

Personally I think luke cage is the weakest of all of them as he doesn't have much going for him accept his indestructible and immunity to bleed

This is pretty untrue. Most notably, 1) His Exhaustions provide strong Ability Power Control very easily and very quickly, this has come in handy on several lanes for me in 8.4. 2) His 150% Concussion against Mystic champions (75% against non) turns a lot of threats into nothing, most recently the side quest Kindred/Man Thing/Mangogs, WOW Absorbing Man, etc. It has a very long up time, and can pretty much be active in the fight from your first sp2 to the end.

DancingPanda_14

Luke cage is definitely worst, I'd say gladiator1 rg2 and nc3

ItsClobberinTime

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Priyabrata

Red guardian is absolutely busted , his buff is the most impactful out of the four

Priyabrata

DancingPanda_14 said:

Luke cage is definitely worst, I'd say gladiator1 rg2 and nc3

He keeps getting a buff here and there, and the 5 people that play him don't care about it

ItsClobberinTime

Priyabrata said:

Red guardian is absolutely busted , his buff is the most impactful out of the four

Agreed, I have a r5 ascended and he finishes fights in 20 secs I never even get to sp2.
It's crazy to me that people still aren't giving him as much attention when the guy is just as busted as Hulk in terms of raw damage.

GlazzyBear

Gladiator and its not even close

ItsClobberinTime

GlazzyBear said:

Gladiator and its not even close

Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?

GlazzyBear

ItsClobberinTime said:

GlazzyBear said:

Gladiator and its not even close

Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?

18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably

Ultragamer

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

ItsClobberinTime

GlazzyBear said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GlazzyBear said:

Gladiator and its not even close

Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?

18 hits? Probably not. But 18 seconds (from max ramp up) probably

I tried rol fights with mine, he's not that fast unless there's a very long special attack for him to dash into. The actual damage output from basic attacks is nowhere near Red Guardian's.

Ultragamer

Red guardian good but in a class with a lot of other that have his utility and more while gladiator comes from a class that doesn’t have some his most useful utility and has damage that’s pretty good

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Ultragamer

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

Red guardian good but in a class with a lot of other that have his utility and more while gladiator comes from a class that doesn’t have some his most useful utility and has damage that’s pretty good

That doesn't really change the fact that he is quicker than Gladiator for most matchups. The question was which buff was better overall, Red Guardian went from garbage to easily top 10 in the science class, Gladiator went from mid to maybe top 10 but there are still a lot of cosmics that do what he does better.
Red Guardian is the second best buff immune in the game now and he's a nuke in BGs, he isn't outclassed by as many science champs as Gladiator is by cosmic champs.

Ultragamer

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

Red guardian good but in a class with a lot of other that have his utility and more while gladiator comes from a class that doesn’t have some his most useful utility and has damage that’s pretty good

That doesn't really change the fact that he is quicker than Gladiator for most matchups. The question was which buff was better overall, Red Guardian went from garbage to easily top 10 in the science class, Gladiator went from mid to maybe top 10 but there are still a lot of cosmics that do what he does better.
Red Guardian is the second best buff immune in the game now and he's a nuke in BGs, he isn't outclassed by as many science champs as Gladiator is by cosmic champs.

Definitely not second best buff immune when Titania and Cassie both exist and handle more

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

I could say the same thing about utility, utility doesn't make a champ better, speed and damage does and Red Guardian is better at both. The thing is, .ost people agree BGs is the most important game mode so by those standards alone he is better.
Not to mention, Red Guardian can take nearly every single matchup Gladiator can take but faster (FAM included), he doesn't need to counter armor cause his crit rating is huge (except for Shuri and Red Skull but that's it).

Titania is not better than Hulk lmao.

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

Red guardian good but in a class with a lot of other that have his utility and more while gladiator comes from a class that doesn’t have some his most useful utility and has damage that’s pretty good

That doesn't really change the fact that he is quicker than Gladiator for most matchups. The question was which buff was better overall, Red Guardian went from garbage to easily top 10 in the science class, Gladiator went from mid to maybe top 10 but there are still a lot of cosmics that do what he does better.
Red Guardian is the second best buff immune in the game now and he's a nuke in BGs, he isn't outclassed by as many science champs as Gladiator is by cosmic champs.

Definitely not second best buff immune when Titania and Cassie both exist and handle more

Titania is #1 which is why I said second best but you think Cassie is better? It takes her like a whole minute just to ramp up her stings and another 20 to get off big sp2 lol.

Ultragamer

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

I could say the same thing about utility, utility doesn't make a champ better, speed and damage does and Red Guardian is better at both. The thing is, .ost people agree BGs is the most important game mode so by those standards alone he is better.
Not to mention, Red Guardian can take nearly every single matchup Gladiator can take but faster (FAM included), he doesn't need to counter armor cause his crit rating is huge (except for Shuri and Red Skull but that's it).

Titania is not better than Hulk lmao.

You can keep your opinion but just saying Titania and gladiator better than the ones you say they are worse than

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

I could say the same thing about utility, utility doesn't make a champ better, speed and damage does and Red Guardian is better at both. The thing is, .ost people agree BGs is the most important game mode so by those standards alone he is better.
Not to mention, Red Guardian can take nearly every single matchup Gladiator can take but faster (FAM included), he doesn't need to counter armor cause his crit rating is huge (except for Shuri and Red Skull but that's it).

Titania is not better than Hulk lmao.

You can keep your opinion but just saying Titania and gladiator better than the ones you say they are worse than

You keep saying Gladiator is better yet you already admitted his damage output is worse. None of his utility makes up for the damage difference because at the end of the day Red Guardian can take 90% of the matchups Gladiator can take, meanwhile Gladiator will struggle against most of the mystic class alone.

Emilia90

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

I could say the same thing about utility, utility doesn't make a champ better, speed and damage does and Red Guardian is better at both. The thing is, .ost people agree BGs is the most important game mode so by those standards alone he is better.
Not to mention, Red Guardian can take nearly every single matchup Gladiator can take but faster (FAM included), he doesn't need to counter armor cause his crit rating is huge (except for Shuri and Red Skull but that's it).

Titania is not better than Hulk lmao.

You can keep your opinion but just saying Titania and gladiator better than the ones you say they are worse than

You keep saying Gladiator is better yet you already admitted his damage output is worse. None of his utility makes up for the damage difference because at the end of the day Red Guardian can take 90% of the matchups Gladiator can take, meanwhile Gladiator will struggle against most of the mystic class alone.

I think RG buff was better but I think Gladiator’s buff was pretty neat. I’ve seen some battlegrounds streams of people using him and he’s deleting healthpools pretty fast and taking champs like photon down pretty easily with his special dash in mechanic. I’d say RG > Glad > Luke > NC for the buffs. Maybe Luke will change because I haven’t seen much out of him yet but they’re all great

Ultragamer

Cgr takes 90% of hulkling fights and does them faster but hulkling considered better so why does this change for gladiator maybe you just hate him

ItsClobberinTime

Emilia90 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Ultragamer said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

I don't see any of the others (or most champs in the game for that matter) doing a rol fight in 18 hits:

Also outclassed? Lmao I swear people are still sleeping on Red Guardian so bad it hurts my eyes.

Red guardian good while gladiator cheesing wow fights like Dani

She-Hulk cheesed WoW Abs Man, what's your point?
Just because Gladiator can cheese a fight or two in very specific matchups doesn't mean he's overall better. I can guarantee you Red Guardian is faster than Gladiator in at least 80% of scenarios, I have tested both already at r4.

Faster doesn’t mean better cgr faster than hulkling yet hulkling better. Hulk faster than Titania but Titania better. You can be faster but not better look at utility gladiator utility is way better than red guardians. armor up counters, with unblockable and unstoppable, 80% special damage reduction 200% buff accuracy, power drain and burn immunity, miss counter, evade counter, nullify, stagger, and fate seal counter.

I could say the same thing about utility, utility doesn't make a champ better, speed and damage does and Red Guardian is better at both. The thing is, .ost people agree BGs is the most important game mode so by those standards alone he is better.
Not to mention, Red Guardian can take nearly every single matchup Gladiator can take but faster (FAM included), he doesn't need to counter armor cause his crit rating is huge (except for Shuri and Red Skull but that's it).

Titania is not better than Hulk lmao.

You can keep your opinion but just saying Titania and gladiator better than the ones you say they are worse than

You keep saying Gladiator is better yet you already admitted his damage output is worse. None of his utility makes up for the damage difference because at the end of the day Red Guardian can take 90% of the matchups Gladiator can take, meanwhile Gladiator will struggle against most of the mystic class alone.

I think RG buff was better but I think Gladiator’s buff was pretty neat. I’ve seen some battlegrounds streams of people using him and he’s deleting healthpools pretty fast and taking champs like photon down pretty easily with his special dash in mechanic. I’d say RG > Glad > Luke > NC for the buffs. Maybe Luke will change because I haven’t seen much out of him yet but they’re all great

Oh no I definitely think he's great, mine's r4 and currently in my deck cause he deletes Red Skulls and Shuris, as well as Rintrahs which is pretty crazy. I just think Red Guardian's was a tad better because he quite literally went from garbage to possibly top 5 in the science class, yes I know hot take and a lot of people will disagree but I think once people start using him more they will realize his true potential, my r5 is just as quick as my 7* Juggs which is just nuts.

Ultragamer

gladiator went from worst and most hated 2023 champ to top 5 cosmic and loved

ItsClobberinTime

Ultragamer said:

gladiator went from worst and most hated 2023 champ to top 5 cosmic and loved

He is not top 5, Herc Hulkling Galan Adam CGR and Vox still exist.

Ultragamer said:

Cgr takes 90% of hulkling fights and does them faster but hulkling considered better so why does this change for gladiator maybe you just hate him

Hulkling is considered better because of his defensive value, and I have Gladiator in my deck so I don't hate him either, I'm just not biased.

Karatemike415

ItsClobberinTime said:

GlazzyBear said:

Gladiator and its not even close

Can Gladiator delete 500k healthpools in 18 hits?

Yes he can haha