A company will always cater to it's high end customers, what's stopping you from being Valaint? After act-8.4 release there literally should be NO excuse.
Because people are lazy and want everything for nothing.
8.4 release made it way easy for people to get valiant and there's still people complaining about having to become valiant to get better rewards. It's getting ridiculous.
Easy how bro? You still got to spend a stupid amount of time in 1 single quest to do so, that's hardly easy is it. I got zero interest in these "endgame content/revive fest/time sinking" content. I literally have a life.
Also, not complaining about anything Valiant related as they should get the best stuff but it's not as easy as loads of people are making it out to be 🤦♂️. Where is the fun in entering a quest for me to finish it in 6 weeks coz of time constraints? That's not enjoyable in any way shape or form being as I cannot play other quests while I'm in it. However, paragon at the very least needs a BGs store update, not doing it shows that kabam want us to go into necro
If it takes you 6 weeks to finish a single path in necro,then it's honestly a skill issue. I did it with r4 aegon without ascension and without boosts (i was out of them lol) and it took me like 4 hours or smth.
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
Some want to be rewarded for what they feel like doing. The game dictates what effort will be rewarded. If you're paragon and got paragon rewards before there was a "valiant" and were ok with that, nothing has changed since you're still paragon and some other title is now getting its own set of rewards.
The rewards are more than enough as is, I don’t see a problem with them
If the rewards are good enough, then why has the gamemode near died off to everyone but the top 1%
This is a common misperception. Between 200k and 250k players still seem to be participating in BG to at least some extent, and this season seems to have significantly more participation, which is interesting because that implies BG participation is extremely sensitive to relatively small reward boosts.
That’s not entirely unexpected, because solo milestone rewards are not progression sensitive. So 6* 7* and titan shards are extremely good rewards for lower progression players.
For reference every other season or so I take a low alt and do one match, to try to get near the bottom of the solo leaderboard to try to judge participation. This season 1125 points landed 225398 on the solo leaderboard. So more than that many players played at least one match. Another alt scored 4875 points and ended up 197207 after five matches. While this shows many players doing just a few matches, this also extrapolates to a hundred thousand players doing a significant number of matches.
I scored just over 300k and placed 45,785 in the solo event on my main. Almost 46 thousand players scored more points than me, and I maxed out the milestones. If they are the top 1%, then the game has five million players. Realistically, the game has between 500k and one million players, which means 25% to 50% of all active players do at least one BG match, and five to ten percent of all active players did enough matches this season to max out the solo milestones. I also placed 12205 in GC with a final rating of I think 32, which means significantly more players than that managed to climb into GC. The night before the season ended I saw 21300 players on the GC leaderboards. That’s 2% to 4% of the player base not just playing at all, but climbing into the Gladiator Circuit, which is intended to be something only the top few percent can consistently reach.
So over 20k players are pushing into GC, about 50k players are pushing to complete all the solo milestones, and about 250k players are at least trying out the mode. While BG is not a perfect game mode, that does not sound like a game mode that is “dead except for the 1%.” The top 1% is between 5000 and 10000 players. They don’t even comprise the majority of the players in GC, much less the majority of players actively playing the game mode.
Of course, that’s this season, where the milestones are boosted. What about last season, when everyone was saying the mode looked completely dead? By my estimates, at least 15k players made it to GC, and well over 150k were participating (I don’t have an exact figure, because none of my alts scored super low points). One of my alts scored about 136k points and placed about 58000, and the other scored 29k points and placed about 131k. This implies lower participation, but nowhere near as dead as some people thought. People were playing fewer matches, and fewer players were playing at all, but overall participation was, based on those numbers, down a little in terms of numbers of players and somewhat more in terms of overall matches. Lower, but not dead.
Mostly participation shifted towards the end of the season. So the numbers looked bad for most of the season and then caught up mostly by the end, to land down, but not as far down as some were assuming.
Anyone who thinks the mode is dead or dying is quantitatively wrong. Anyone who thinks the mode is mostly for the top 1% and players below that aren’t bothering are also provably wrong. The vast majority of players participating are not the 1%. They are probably not even the top 10%. They might be the top 50%, maybe. When my alts play, they see normal players with normal rosters most of the time drafting and playing like normal players and not top tier players slumming in lower alts at lower VT tiers.
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
If you don’t have time or patience for act 8 or necro then you don’t deserve to be valiant. Sorry buddy
I'm not the one saying it should be more accessible tho? I'm simply saying it's not as easy as people are making out. Trying reading next time. I have act 8 100% too so thanks I just don't have time for necro or that type of content in general
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
If you don’t have time or patience then the game just isn’t for you. There is a flow in progression here. Valliant is slowly becoming more accessible. If you are paragon then if you saved all poolies you would have gotten a tier 4 alpha cat. With exploration of act 8 you would get another tier 4 alpha cat. And finally if you save up your units for 4th of july. I’m sure they will give you a single tier 4 cat, boom now you got you second r3. You either wait patiently for flow of progression to make r3’ing more accessible or you use that patience to do necro. If neither suits you then just don’t play.
At the end of the day kabam decides when to make r3 more accessible for lower tiers. They said in a live stream once that they will be more slower on making tier 4 cata accessible as they have done in the past.
Oh, see now you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I have patience for the game. Just no patience for endgame content such as necro or abyss. I have act 7 and 8 100% and I am also not saying Valiant needs to more easily accessed. I couldn't get 900k poolies in that event so that's your point of that out the window. I also have no access to units so July 4th is irrelevant to me. I'll wait for the longer way of getting it ... which I am perfectly fine with.
It's just annoying how everyone says things like "you've got no excuse to have Valiant" or "after act 8 it's literally easy to do" blah blah blah
A company will always cater to it's high end customers, what's stopping you from being Valaint? After act-8.4 release there literally should be NO excuse.
Because people are lazy and want everything for nothing.
8.4 release made it way easy for people to get valiant and there's still people complaining about having to become valiant to get better rewards. It's getting ridiculous.
Easy how bro? You still got to spend a stupid amount of time in 1 single quest to do so, that's hardly easy is it. I got zero interest in these "endgame content/revive fest/time sinking" content. I literally have a life.
Also, not complaining about anything Valiant related as they should get the best stuff but it's not as easy as loads of people are making it out to be 🤦♂️. Where is the fun in entering a quest for me to finish it in 6 weeks coz of time constraints? That's not enjoyable in any way shape or form being as I cannot play other quests while I'm in it. However, paragon at the very least needs a BGs store update, not doing it shows that kabam want us to go into necro
If it takes you 6 weeks to finish a single path in necro,then it's honestly a skill issue. I did it with r4 aegon without ascension and without boosts (i was out of them lol) and it took me like 4 hours or smth.
4 hours is a very long time to be playing a game for myself mate. It's definitely not a skill issue. It's a time constraint issue thanks for repeating the same thing as everyone else tho, that hymn sheet is making the rounds huh
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
Some want to be rewarded for what they feel like doing. The game dictates what effort will be rewarded. If you're paragon and got paragon rewards before there was a "valiant" and were ok with that, nothing has changed since you're still paragon and some other title is now getting its own set of rewards.
I'm okay with where I am, not complaining about my progression at all. What I will say tho is that since the introduction of the new title the rewards for Paragon have dropped slightly compared to when paragon was the top title, they did the same thing with paragon to TBs too so at least they're consistent in that respect haha dunno why they drop the rewards slightly with a new title but is what it is lol
A company will always cater to it's high end customers, what's stopping you from being Valaint? After act-8.4 release there literally should be NO excuse.
Because people are lazy and want everything for nothing.
8.4 release made it way easy for people to get valiant and there's still people complaining about having to become valiant to get better rewards. It's getting ridiculous.
Easy how bro? You still got to spend a stupid amount of time in 1 single quest to do so, that's hardly easy is it. I got zero interest in these "endgame content/revive fest/time sinking" content. I literally have a life.
Also, not complaining about anything Valiant related as they should get the best stuff but it's not as easy as loads of people are making it out to be 🤦♂️. Where is the fun in entering a quest for me to finish it in 6 weeks coz of time constraints? That's not enjoyable in any way shape or form being as I cannot play other quests while I'm in it. However, paragon at the very least needs a BGs store update, not doing it shows that kabam want us to go into necro
If it takes you 6 weeks to finish a single path in necro,then it's honestly a skill issue. I did it with r4 aegon without ascension and without boosts (i was out of them lol) and it took me like 4 hours or smth.
4 hours is a very long time to be playing a game for myself mate. It's definitely not a skill issue. It's a time constraint issue thanks for repeating the same thing as everyone else tho, that hymn sheet is making the rounds huh
Four hours is a lot for me as well, so I paced out my initial run taking just a few fights at a time. Although the entire run took five to six hours cumulatively, it only took a little bit of time per session over a period of four days. I also inspired other players who ordinarily steer clear of long form end game content to give it a try, and many succeeded at a pace that let them pick it apart in small bites without disrupting their otherwise busy lives, so this was not just something particular to my own skill level or capabilities: in fact at the time I did my run I had almost no idea what I was doing until I actually did the fights.
It can seem daunting, and it isn't the sort of thing most players want to do over and over again, but I think many players who think they don't have the time or stamina to do a completion run could do it if they paced themselves out over a very reasonable number of days.
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
If you don’t have time or patience for act 8 or necro then you don’t deserve to be valiant. Sorry buddy
I'm not the one saying it should be more accessible tho? I'm simply saying it's not as easy as people are making out. Trying reading next time. I have act 8 100% too so thanks I just don't have time for necro or that type of content in general
I didn’t say you were the one saying that. I said, and I quote “if you don’t have time or patience for act 8 or necro then you don’t deserve to be valiant”. End quote. Hope this helps, pal.
A company will always cater to it's high end customers, what's stopping you from being Valaint? After act-8.4 release there literally should be NO excuse.
Because people are lazy and want everything for nothing.
8.4 release made it way easy for people to get valiant and there's still people complaining about having to become valiant to get better rewards. It's getting ridiculous.
Easy how bro? You still got to spend a stupid amount of time in 1 single quest to do so, that's hardly easy is it. I got zero interest in these "endgame content/revive fest/time sinking" content. I literally have a life.
Also, not complaining about anything Valiant related as they should get the best stuff but it's not as easy as loads of people are making it out to be 🤦♂️. Where is the fun in entering a quest for me to finish it in 6 weeks coz of time constraints? That's not enjoyable in any way shape or form being as I cannot play other quests while I'm in it. However, paragon at the very least needs a BGs store update, not doing it shows that kabam want us to go into necro
If it takes you 6 weeks to finish a single path in necro,then it's honestly a skill issue. I did it with r4 aegon without ascension and without boosts (i was out of them lol) and it took me like 4 hours or smth.
4 hours is a very long time to be playing a game for myself mate. It's definitely not a skill issue. It's a time constraint issue thanks for repeating the same thing as everyone else tho, that hymn sheet is making the rounds huh
Four hours is a lot for me as well, so I paced out my initial run taking just a few fights at a time. Although the entire run took five to six hours cumulatively, it only took a little bit of time per session over a period of four days. I also inspired other players who ordinarily steer clear of long form end game content to give it a try, and many succeeded at a pace that let them pick it apart in small bites without disrupting their otherwise busy lives, so this was not just something particular to my own skill level or capabilities: in fact at the time I did my run I had almost no idea what I was doing until I actually did the fights.
It can seem daunting, and it isn't the sort of thing most players want to do over and over again, but I think many players who think they don't have the time or stamina to do a completion run could do it if they paced themselves out over a very reasonable number of days.
That's fair I suppose but to be stuck in a quest for days isn't something I like. I did abyss way back when but I think it's more a case of I'm slowly coming to the point of just retiring. Just got no drive for that sort of content plus being in negative units puts me off pushing anything in the game as I have to ensure I get by with what revives I've accumulated... which was the point in going into negative units all along, spent too much time and money on this game and it had to stop somehow 😂😂. Necro will never be touched until I can clock the whole thing in like an hour and even then, the rewards won't be relevant so I probably wouldn't do that anyway.
Anywayyyyyyy .... I sound like a child moaning at this point. Kinda deviated away from why I even posted on this thread lol
They only.updated for Valiant as its the new title and to try get us to think "oh if we want the updated rewards we need to get Valiant" and then push for Valiant. They're just pushing Valiant into our faces
Valiant isn’t hard to get now. Act 8 exploration is easy and Necro is skill based and you only need to do an initial run
Assuming one has the time or patience for the end game content ... you forgot to add that in there at the end buddy 👍
If you don’t have time or patience for act 8 or necro then you don’t deserve to be valiant. Sorry buddy
I'm not the one saying it should be more accessible tho? I'm simply saying it's not as easy as people are making out. Trying reading next time. I have act 8 100% too so thanks I just don't have time for necro or that type of content in general
I didn’t say you were the one saying that. I said, and I quote “if you don’t have time or patience for act 8 or necro then you don’t deserve to be valiant”. End quote. Hope this helps, pal.
Ahhhh, my apologies. I didn't even mean to reply to your message with my reply .... oops 😂😂
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That’s not entirely unexpected, because solo milestone rewards are not progression sensitive. So 6* 7* and titan shards are extremely good rewards for lower progression players.
For reference every other season or so I take a low alt and do one match, to try to get near the bottom of the solo leaderboard to try to judge participation. This season 1125 points landed 225398 on the solo leaderboard. So more than that many players played at least one match. Another alt scored 4875 points and ended up 197207 after five matches. While this shows many players doing just a few matches, this also extrapolates to a hundred thousand players doing a significant number of matches.
I scored just over 300k and placed 45,785 in the solo event on my main. Almost 46 thousand players scored more points than me, and I maxed out the milestones. If they are the top 1%, then the game has five million players. Realistically, the game has between 500k and one million players, which means 25% to 50% of all active players do at least one BG match, and five to ten percent of all active players did enough matches this season to max out the solo milestones. I also placed 12205 in GC with a final rating of I think 32, which means significantly more players than that managed to climb into GC. The night before the season ended I saw 21300 players on the GC leaderboards. That’s 2% to 4% of the player base not just playing at all, but climbing into the Gladiator Circuit, which is intended to be something only the top few percent can consistently reach.
So over 20k players are pushing into GC, about 50k players are pushing to complete all the solo milestones, and about 250k players are at least trying out the mode. While BG is not a perfect game mode, that does not sound like a game mode that is “dead except for the 1%.” The top 1% is between 5000 and 10000 players. They don’t even comprise the majority of the players in GC, much less the majority of players actively playing the game mode.
Of course, that’s this season, where the milestones are boosted. What about last season, when everyone was saying the mode looked completely dead? By my estimates, at least 15k players made it to GC, and well over 150k were participating (I don’t have an exact figure, because none of my alts scored super low points). One of my alts scored about 136k points and placed about 58000, and the other scored 29k points and placed about 131k. This implies lower participation, but nowhere near as dead as some people thought. People were playing fewer matches, and fewer players were playing at all, but overall participation was, based on those numbers, down a little in terms of numbers of players and somewhat more in terms of overall matches. Lower, but not dead.
Mostly participation shifted towards the end of the season. So the numbers looked bad for most of the season and then caught up mostly by the end, to land down, but not as far down as some were assuming.
Anyone who thinks the mode is dead or dying is quantitatively wrong. Anyone who thinks the mode is mostly for the top 1% and players below that aren’t bothering are also provably wrong. The vast majority of players participating are not the 1%. They are probably not even the top 10%. They might be the top 50%, maybe. When my alts play, they see normal players with normal rosters most of the time drafting and playing like normal players and not top tier players slumming in lower alts at lower VT tiers.
It's just annoying how everyone says things like "you've got no excuse to have Valiant" or "after act 8 it's literally easy to do" blah blah blah
It can seem daunting, and it isn't the sort of thing most players want to do over and over again, but I think many players who think they don't have the time or stamina to do a completion run could do it if they paced themselves out over a very reasonable number of days.
Anywayyyyyyy .... I sound like a child moaning at this point. Kinda deviated away from why I even posted on this thread lol