Kabam! Is the balance program scrapped?

HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
Where is the balance update on Dust and Iron Heart? How long should one wait for the balance update?

It was said in the Balance update post that data collection takes 3 months, then balance update info will be given to us and then 3 more months to implement the changes to the champs and final changes are released in the game (6 months after their release)

For Feb champs this 3 months finished in May, so the balance update info should have come out in the start of June, we are in July end now, in a week it will be August. This means the balace update info is getting delayed by almost 2 months now. Kabam did the same with Bullseye and White Tiger as well, their balance update info should have come out in May, we can cross check that with Abs man and Zemo update who were also Jan champs.

We need some explanation from Kabam why this is getting delayed? Or is this program being removed now?
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  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
    @KabamDORK @Crashed, Please take a look at this
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,484 ★★★★★
    They only give out the info when they have all the data which sometimes comes late
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,484 ★★★★★
    Nothing is set in stone updates do take time and the data takes time since all the game modes the new people getting them since entering basics data cant just arrive just like that it takes time and then they have to decide on the changes before putting the info out so yes it can be late
  • Tempest_024Tempest_024 Member Posts: 123
    Onslaught came out in May. Bullseye came out in June. That's 5 months after release. Ironheart and Dust came out in Feb, so this month, most likely this week or next, their's will come out. 5 months seems to be the trend for a while now.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 6,484 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    Nothing is set in stone updates do take time and the data takes time since all the game modes the new people getting them since entering basics data cant just arrive just like that it takes time and then they have to decide on the changes before putting the info out so yes it can be late

    Would you be okay with new champs getting balanced after 1 year of their release, cause with how things are getting delayed that might happen soon. You can't upgrade them and regret later or wait to see if they get updated and not upgrading them.
    Yes
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,560 ★★★★★
    edited July 23

    Bendy said:

    Nothing is set in stone updates do take time and the data takes time since all the game modes the new people getting them since entering basics data cant just arrive just like that it takes time and then they have to decide on the changes before putting the info out so yes it can be late

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/295021/an-update-to-balancing-in-mcoc

    You can check this, how they said the balance update will happen. So they did set in stone certain amount of time that they felt was sufficient. 2 months delay is too much and this get worse with next champs, we need explanation from Kabam.
    Again someone can't read. The data will be REVIEWED for 3 months. Any actual decisions on changes if there are any or none come after that.
    The timeline they laid out was an ideal scenario where everything was optimally on the dot to the day
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★

    Onslaught came out in May. Bullseye came out in June. That's 5 months after release. Ironheart and Dust came out in Feb, so this month, most likely this week or next, their's will come out. 5 months seems to be the trend for a while now.

    Onslaught came in start of May, Bullseye in mid June and Dust hasn't come out yet and we are a week away from August. What is next?
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,560 ★★★★★

    Onslaught came out in May. Bullseye came out in June. That's 5 months after release. Ironheart and Dust came out in Feb, so this month, most likely this week or next, their's will come out. 5 months seems to be the trend for a while now.

    Onslaught came in start of May, Bullseye in mid June and Dust hasn't come out yet and we are a week away from August. What is next?
    Technically we don't have to hear anything until 6 months after the champion comes out but they're nice and try to get that info to us beforehand
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bendy said:

    Nothing is set in stone updates do take time and the data takes time since all the game modes the new people getting them since entering basics data cant just arrive just like that it takes time and then they have to decide on the changes before putting the info out so yes it can be late

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/295021/an-update-to-balancing-in-mcoc

    You can check this, how they said the balance update will happen. So they did set in stone certain amount of time that they felt was sufficient. 2 months delay is too much and this get worse with next champs, we need explanation from Kabam.
    Again someone can't read. The data will be REVIEWED for 3 months. Any actual decisions on changes if there are any or none come after that.
    The timeline they laid out was an ideal scenario where everything was optimally on the dot to the day
    It has been almost 5 months they came out. They give a overview of the changes in the balance update, which will be tested and changed later if need be and released after 6 months.

    Like this here https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/357197/gladiator-and-iron-man-balance-update. Balance update info will be released first and then the changes will be implemented and tested and then released.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,732 Guardian
    We all need to realize that the champion rebalances are probably really easy to implement. If kabam spent 4-5 months, I'm very confident that they could have the rebalanced champions still out in time on month 6. This is especially easy if the changes are minimal to nothing at all.
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Onslaught came out in May. Bullseye came out in June. That's 5 months after release. Ironheart and Dust came out in Feb, so this month, most likely this week or next, their's will come out. 5 months seems to be the trend for a while now.

    Onslaught came in start of May, Bullseye in mid June and Dust hasn't come out yet and we are a week away from August. What is next?
    Technically we don't have to hear anything until 6 months after the champion comes out but they're nice and try to get that info to us beforehand
    So it is not that they don't have the data yet, they don't want to share the performance of the champs with us. Why?
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
    I want to know what is causing this delay, is it because they didn't get the data they need or they don't want to share the update with us. Either case, Why? If we know for sure that a champ will not be rebalanced then people will be more positive with ranking their champs or if a champ is getting rebalanced then we will be excited and look forward to the final champ. Communication is the key for both Kabam and players, so I don't understand why the delay.
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 646 ★★★
    January Champ (Month 1)- Bullseye ,White Tiger
    June 19 (Month 6) - balance update for them came

    Chill it will be out I don't know why but your comments seems aggressive.

    The data on dust and IronHeart is probably less as many don't use Ironheart that much compared to other champs & in-case of Dust many devices have lag issue when sand storm activates or her special. so data is on device specific so it's hard to say what kabam expected vs how she is performing.

    (If u are concerned read both champ test the champs make a video - give your drawbacks & what can make the champ descent & unique)
  • HarryatomixHarryatomix Member Posts: 314 ★★★
    January Champ - Abs man and Zemo

    You don't count the release month cause not many have or use them in that month, so from Feb to April (3 months) will be the data colection and then balance info was released in May whether they are meeting their expectations and briefly give info on where they need improvement or nerf. So there is 1.5 month delay in Bullseye and White Tiger info as well. This didn't happen suddenly with Dust and IH and that is what is concerning me, because this delay will keep on increasing.
  • UsagicassidyUsagicassidy Member Posts: 1,426 ★★★★
    @Harryatomix 12:00, 12:02, 12:11, 12:13, 12:23

    Wow, you were really having an engaging conversation with yourself.

    Pro tip: There's an "edit" button once you've made a comment so you can add to it.
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 646 ★★★
    It was started 2years ago when there was no saga champ/ saga cycle , No battlegrounds , no meta challenge to get deathless champ .

    So if it just got delayed so what chill it will be out of the info about 🤦🤦🤷🤷.
    on June 19 I remember someone did the same thing Asking he want ans on bullseye rebalance & he was holding back but the rebalance info went live later that day 🤷
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,342 ★★★★

    The keep releasing champs that need major re-balancing. Arcade and Silver Sable are in major need

    This as well, atleast one champ every month this year needs to be rebalanced.
    Releasing one champ a month is a pretty insane rollout schedule for most games. As the game grows it gets harder to create characters that feel new and fun to play while also preventing them from being too broken (herc). Some champs this year have had interesting new mechanics in terms of rotation and utility like arcade, silver sable and the leader. But while they do that they need to be conscious of making sure the champ isn’t at the stage where the characters is so strong that it makes other content easier then intended to do with these champs.

    It’s better for the company to release champs that underperform then over preform as if they under perform people are not likely to rank the champs up until news of rebalancing. However if they are op then everyone is gonna want to get the champ and rank them up and when kabam inevitably has to go and nerf them it then causes a lot of frustration within the community, especially if the nerf makes them unworthy of the rank people put them in.

    This year has definitely been questionable for the attacker aspect, but if the data shows they’re under preforming then that means kabam will take that into consideration for future champs. And because the process of making a champ takes a while it means peoples expectation has to be lowered that these issue would be fixed next month as most champs are probably designed 7-8 months before their release. Probably even longer than that.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,024 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    Nothing is set in stone updates do take time and the data takes time since all the game modes the new people getting them since entering basics data cant just arrive just like that it takes time and then they have to decide on the changes before putting the info out so yes it can be late

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/295021/an-update-to-balancing-in-mcoc

    You can check this, how they said the balance update will happen. So they did set in stone certain amount of time that they felt was sufficient. 2 months delay is too much and this get worse with next champs, we need explanation from Kabam.
    It's a 6 month minimum process my guy.
  • UsagicassidyUsagicassidy Member Posts: 1,426 ★★★★

    The keep releasing champs that need major re-balancing. Arcade and Silver Sable are in major need

    This as well, atleast one champ every month this year needs to be rebalanced.
    Street Fighter 6 only releases FOUR new fighters a year because of how complex adding new elements to the game are and making sure it stays balanced.

    Granted SF6 character models, moves, specials are MUCH more complex, but I count my blessings that we get 20-ish new characters in this game a year, from 2015 onwards, which is quite frankly, astonishing.

    Especially since this year, TWO of the four new champs in Street Fighter are guest characters that I really wish weren't being added to the game. At least with MCOC, if there's a few duds or characters I couldn't care less about, theres still always more on the way (I myself can't wait till November - fingers crossed for Dazzler and Spiral!)
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    edited July 24
    PT_99 said:

    It's getting quite clear that Kabam releases champions without enough testing,
    There's no way, NO WAY that someone in team played Sable for more than 2 times and said, "Yup, good damage, let's go"

    Saw YouTube vids of Leader? Not very fun either as you have to play in middle of map 24/7 😃 dog damage except for particular power gain regen matchups.

    After mike and jax left, I sure am getting vibes that MCoC is in it's final phase, less mod activity here, forums are deserted expect few usual thread closing, no information to share, balance taking 6+ months, relics are non-existent, bugs after bugs, war tag defender bug still might not be fixed, BG ranking bug, horrible AI, double hit parry still will.

    Internal team conflicts really is hurting the team and Kabam and netmarbles are just gathering whatever they can now.

    If you watched broccolis interview with hoff he did say when Maw was designed he was so Powerful he was nerfed to the ground before release. I assume that's what happened to Silver Sable before release. Because it's easier to tune up than having to tune down
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    And as for OP here the rebalance is still on its not been scrapped
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