I think she's too complicated. Setting aside whether she's fair or not on offense or defense, I just think there is too much going on. I think it's incongruent with the rest of the game.
On defense, she's sort of like a boss fight, where you have to complete certain "challenges" to remove her spells before she gets a SP1 or you get smushed.
100% agree with this. Having to do three certain things between every special is bad enough - except her other abilities mean that sometimes you can't.
Need to Intercept her dash? Well, some of the time you'll Miss.
Need to knock her down? Well, sometimes she'll Evade.
She's going to an absolute defensive nightmare on certain War nodes where you can't use her best counters (I can't think of any champions who inflict Debilitate, that also have any immunities, for example).
The best evidence I can see for this has been provided by Kabam themselves, in the EQ. Typically, new champs have EQ nodes that ramp them up - to make the new champs seem harder and more challenging.
But aside from the ability to block Unblockable Specials, Enchantress just has nodes that make her easier:
The last time I saw 'let's make this fight significantly easier' nodes like that was on Onslaught in Spring of Sorrow....🤔
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Hmmm that was nearly 9 minutes with class advantage, for a champ who's supposed to be great for long form content that still seems very underwhelming (even more so if she's r5 ascended like in the video). Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
She should be deleted from the game. If I wanted to play a character you need a manual to learn, I'd play mortal kombat, and there's already enough annoyingly busted defenders in the game. Get rid of her, she's going to be more toxic than serpent.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
I got up to 385k burst against odin
Max ramped kate bishop can do 20k per tick coldsnap damage without class advantage (with chavez synergy), Which is 40k per tick coldsnap damage every second.
Hence, she can do 400k damage in 10 seconds, only via coldsnap. So if enchantress have to compete with her, she must be able to launch a sp2 every 10 seconds after the max ramp up.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
I got up to 385k burst against odin
Max ramped kate bishop can do 20k per tick coldsnap damage without class advantage (with chavez synergy), Which is 40k per tick coldsnap damage every second.
Hence, she can do 400k damage in 10 seconds, only via coldsnap. So if enchantress have to compete with her, she must be able to launch a sp2 every 10 seconds after the max ramp up.
But enchantress was made for the odin lane as immune to reverse controls via haste just i cant solo claire as i cant do that whole thing with her shes way too annoying in necro
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
Based on first impressions I don't think she'll be used in any fight that isn't 700k I would've preferred if her spells went a singular direction with the last swipe being a different variation. Eg: Damage spells (up,up, different variation) utility spell( down, down, different variation), third spell( right, right, different variation), charm spell( left,left, different variation). Having to swipe up,down, something is very complicated to memorize. She seems to have alot of survivability when fully ramped tho as seen from MSD'S stream. I don't know how effective she'll be in end game fights(not only necropolis) but we'll see. For now, what are your initial thoughts?
I’m liking her a lot so far but I don’t really like the way her signature ability/special 3 attack works. I think it should be one or the other, let the special 3 inflict charm and power steal a bar of power and than have the signature ability be something less focused on power stealing and more focused on debuff potency or increasing the effect of each enchantment rather than just… the enchan— you know what I mean. I respect the design choice because it’s an on the nose moment where by awakening her you get better ENCHANTMENTS! Oooooh 😂 but from a practical standpoint I don’t like it at all. The awakened ability almost feels like it’s meant for defenders (even adding insult to injury by specifying a lesser buff for attackers) but where the difference lies is that in her regular kit each ability basically has an “attacker buff” AND “a defender” buff while the signature ability does not. You can’t say that it’s a player friendly move to not make the sig ability useful either because once again…. Defenders still have it (and most people don’t even have the patience to use enchantress on offense so is her awakened ability still NEEDED so that you can throw her on AW and BG’s without even caring to use her? Probably)
The charm ability when added into the SP1 also feels underwhelming but, I’m still early into my testing with her, I’m sure there will be moments where it’s a game changer. But at this moment I kind of wish that was a part of the onslaught synergy keep in mind that she’s too slow to use as an attacker on offense, the defender doesn’t need to activate charm and probably won’t ever reach it in their rotation, AND if we need to stop a champion from gaining power than we still have multiple options including reaching an sp3 and snatching away a bar of power while stacking on multiple ability accuracy and power modifying spells. Unless this signature ability was literally only created to counter the serpent I don’t see the vision (yet). Most importantly Enchantress needs to have a balanced amount of spells in order to do her worst… part of that process is using enchantment spells to refresh every spell in her kit. That means you need to activate Charm THEN trigger an enchantment spell, and a damage spell, THEN launch a sp2 repeatedly (oh btw you’re fighting Hyperion so I hope that initial charm is still activated otherwise… too bad. Here’s a sp3 for ya 🤷🏾♂️) just something to keep in mind… her design is otherwise brilliant (reducing the damage to 80% wouldn’t kill anyone either but honestly removing her buffs is so easy that I don’t even care KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT! Who am I to tell them not to make a champ invulnerable)
Is the point of her sig not that you can get the charm at the start of the fight against serpent?
No it lets the enchantment spells last longer and power steals a certain amount based on immunities of the opponent (which is where we get nerfed likely to prevent us from stopping sp3’s… which is still not something that I like but maybe at max sig I’ll understand.)
But UPDATE! I was dead wrong about the Hyperion situation. It’s actually the opposite way around… the charm from the SP1 doesn’t last as long but it appears to be stronger. You can then throw an sp2 and DOUBLE the potency. Later you can tack on an sp3 and even a petrify buff (with 30% potency) if you’re in quest and you bring in Hela. So I see what the plan was on offense. I still stand by my point about losing 9 buffs though… but the way I see it everyone playing enchantress should focus on keeping the purple spells the highest (alongside orange spells if necessary) I suggest that people go into the game with the plan to CRIPPLE their enemy rather than BIG YELLOW NUMBER them… hit em up with a charm, neutralize, atrophy, if you’re really concerned about damage take on a few double blocks to randomly get your crit rate up and then launch an SP2. Her damage is actually not bad (even in shorter fights) but she’s designed to be an all gas no breaks kind of champion… she’s really similar to SW sigil… but with a LOT more utility and a meticulous approach to her game that’s gonna throw people off initially.
Her sig let's her activate the charm spell from her sp1 instead of having to get to an sp3 to activate it, which seems designed for serpent and low Buff matches
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
I think she's too complicated. Setting aside whether she's fair or not on offense or defense, I just think there is too much going on. I think it's incongruent with the rest of the game.
On defense, she's sort of like a boss fight, where you have to complete certain "challenges" to remove her spells before she gets a SP1 or you get smushed.
On offense, to use her properly, you have to memorize a Mortal-Kombat-sized moveset.
I like the character design, but I don't like the complexity. Her "abilities" description says it all. There's no less than 8 items listed there, and it could have a lot more entries (e.g. incinerate, coldsnap, frostbite).
Having one complicated character in the game doesn't break anything, it just adds variety to those that want to use her. You can also read her spells in the pause menu
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Hmmm that was nearly 9 minutes with class advantage, for a champ who's supposed to be great for long form content that still seems very underwhelming (even more so if she's r5 ascended like in the video). Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
You spend about 45% of your total time ramping up and seeing as she can EASILY solo because once all your spells are up you have MULTIPLE safety nets and a heal as well. I do think that makes her a very good champion. She's not fast but once ramped it's just Sp2 after Sp2 till the opp dies. And infinite life steal. She's not faster than aegon or anything but I'll take consistency and healing with SOLID damage over nukes who die from any mistake I make especially in necropolis. I don't think you'll be needing revives with enchantress (THATS IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO COMPLETE YOUR RAMP THO) I do think kabam did well with her, we've had champs who have no damage or survivability (negasonic). August seems to have produced 2 of the best champions of the year in my opinion (so far)
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Hmmm that was nearly 9 minutes with class advantage, for a champ who's supposed to be great for long form content that still seems very underwhelming (even more so if she's r5 ascended like in the video). Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
Once ramped as Grass showed, it’s sp2 spam which also life steals. Sure Kushala may have better damage but Enchantress is nearly unkillable if fully ramped
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That is a **** TON of damage AND 100% HEALTH TOO And if I said enchantress was a solid contender for best champion of the year, would y'all come for me??? If enchantress can take a lot of necropolis fights then she may be the champion that gets me to do necropolis honestly I don't mind the ramp if I can finish at 100% and still do GREAT DAMAGE. I see the r5 doing 150k burst which is still GREAT
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That is a **** TON of damage AND 100% HEALTH TOO And if I said enchantress was a solid contender for best champion of the year, would y'all come for me??? If enchantress can take a lot of necropolis fights then she may be the champion that gets me to do necropolis honestly I don't mind the ramp if I can finish at 100% and still do GREAT DAMAGE. I see the r5 doing 150k burst which is still GREAT
Shes mostly great for invert but anything non incinerate immune she can do well for as shes made for necro in mind and when others come along after necro since the health steal for a r3 7 its nice where u can take blocked hits and be fine
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That is a **** TON of damage AND 100% HEALTH TOO And if I said enchantress was a solid contender for best champion of the year, would y'all come for me??? If enchantress can take a lot of necropolis fights then she may be the champion that gets me to do necropolis honestly I don't mind the ramp if I can finish at 100% and still do GREAT DAMAGE. I see the r5 doing 150k burst which is still GREAT
Shes mostly great for invert but anything non incinerate immune she can do well for as shes made for necro in mind and when others come along after necro since the health steal for a r3 7 its nice where u can take blocked hits and be fine
What about If you decide to stack the Coldsnap spell instead of Incenerates? How much burst dmg can 12 of those do?
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That is a **** TON of damage AND 100% HEALTH TOO And if I said enchantress was a solid contender for best champion of the year, would y'all come for me??? If enchantress can take a lot of necropolis fights then she may be the champion that gets me to do necropolis honestly I don't mind the ramp if I can finish at 100% and still do GREAT DAMAGE. I see the r5 doing 150k burst which is still GREAT
Shes mostly great for invert but anything non incinerate immune she can do well for as shes made for necro in mind and when others come along after necro since the health steal for a r3 7 its nice where u can take blocked hits and be fine
What about If you decide to stack the Coldsnap spell instead of Incenerates? How much burst dmg can 12 of those do?
From when i built them up i got to 55k so a lot less than incinerate
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Hmmm that was nearly 9 minutes with class advantage, for a champ who's supposed to be great for long form content that still seems very underwhelming (even more so if she's r5 ascended like in the video). Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
Once ramped as Grass showed, it’s sp2 spam which also life steals. Sure Kushala may have better damage but Enchantress is nearly unkillable if fully ramped
Sp2 spam for 5-6 minutes straight? I don't really care about survivability, when we're talking Necropolis damage is the #1 thing that matters because there is a timer. She's supposed to be a God for long form content, 9 minutes for a r6 is meh.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That's a r3 (or r2 fully boosted) of course the damage is going to be different, I still don't think that's impressive though. Have you seen BRB's bursts at r3? That's what great damage for long form content actually looks like. To put things into perspective a r1 BRB can deal 550k bursts when fully ramped, that's 200k more damage than a fully ramped r3 (or r2 fully boosted) Enchantress.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
Hmmm that was nearly 9 minutes with class advantage, for a champ who's supposed to be great for long form content that still seems very underwhelming (even more so if she's r5 ascended like in the video). Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
You spend about 45% of your total time ramping up and seeing as she can EASILY solo because once all your spells are up you have MULTIPLE safety nets and a heal as well. I do think that makes her a very good champion. She's not fast but once ramped it's just Sp2 after Sp2 till the opp dies. And infinite life steal. She's not faster than aegon or anything but I'll take consistency and healing with SOLID damage over nukes who die from any mistake I make especially in necropolis. I don't think you'll be needing revives with enchantress (THATS IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO COMPLETE YOUR RAMP THO) I do think kabam did well with her, we've had champs who have no damage or survivability (negasonic). August seems to have produced 2 of the best champions of the year in my opinion (so far)
Don't take offense to this but I guess if you're below average she'll be very good, but for average and experienced players who can play around the nodes I don't really see a reason to use her in long form content. She has a ton of survivability sure but still falls short when it comes to damage, I would very much rather use Kate Shuri BRB or Ægon and finish in 5-6 minutes than use Enchantress and spend 3 minutes ramping up then 6 spamming sp2s.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
Yeah looks meh to me, meanwhile BRB casually deals 1M bursts of damage at r3, that's what great damage for long form actually looks like. I think when they said Enchantress was meant for long form content they were just talking about utility and survivability, not damage. Utility is of course very important but what good does any of that do if you're most likely going to run out of time? Every piece of content like Necropolis has a timer, if that timer expires you're dead.
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That's a r3 (or r2 fully boosted) of course the damage is going to be different, I still don't think that's impressive though. Have you seen BRB's bursts at r3? That's what great damage for long form content actually looks like. To put things into perspective a r1 BRB can deal 550k bursts when fully ramped, that's 200k more damage than a fully ramped r3 (or r2 fully boosted) Enchantress.
U should say ur own opinion as i dislike bill but i like her way better also ignoring how long it takes to ramp when ramped its 2mins to kill also
Has anyone recorded any long form content with her? An alliance teammate of mine got the 7* to r2 and it took 6 minutes for LoL Star Lord which is very underwhelming.
The sp2 does 4% of max health as damage, after max ramp up, and consider the healthpool of necro champs as 7.5 million, which means the sp2 hardly does 300k damage after max ramp up. Idk what to say.
That's a r3 (or r2 fully boosted) of course the damage is going to be different, I still don't think that's impressive though. Have you seen BRB's bursts at r3? That's what great damage for long form content actually looks like. To put things into perspective a r1 BRB can deal 550k bursts when fully ramped, that's 200k more damage than a fully ramped r3 (or r2 fully boosted) Enchantress.
U should say ur own opinion as i dislike bill but i like her way better also ignoring how long it takes to ramp when ramped its 2mins to kill also
I don't like BRB, he's way too RNG reliant when it comes to BGs so I don't really use him. As for the ramp, you just throw two sp2s and he's fully ramped, and he kills way faster than Enchantress because his bursts are absolutely ridiculous, over 1M at r3 how much was your r3 Enchantress doing at max ramp again? 380k. The damage part wasn't an opinion, it's a fact, 380k for a r3 that's meant to be insane for long form content is not impressive. I'm not denying the utility and survivability are good but the damage is meh, considering all the ramp required, it is objectively meh.
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Need to Intercept her dash? Well, some of the time you'll Miss.
Need to knock her down? Well, sometimes she'll Evade.
She's going to an absolute defensive nightmare on certain War nodes where you can't use her best counters (I can't think of any champions who inflict Debilitate, that also have any immunities, for example).
The best evidence I can see for this has been provided by Kabam themselves, in the EQ. Typically, new champs have EQ nodes that ramp them up - to make the new champs seem harder and more challenging.
But aside from the ability to block Unblockable Specials, Enchantress just has nodes that make her easier:
The last time I saw 'let's make this fight significantly easier' nodes like that was on Onslaught in Spring of Sorrow....🤔
Are there any videos where she isn't that slow? Cause I'm seriously not impressed by what I've seen so far.
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Get rid of her, she's going to be more toxic than serpent.
Hence, she can do 400k damage in 10 seconds, only via coldsnap. So if enchantress have to compete with her, she must be able to launch a sp2 every 10 seconds after the max ramp up.
I've just subscribed, and I encourage you to explore her even more and upload a lot of vids about her!
She's not faster than aegon or anything but I'll take consistency and healing with SOLID damage over nukes who die from any mistake I make especially in necropolis. I don't think you'll be needing revives with enchantress (THATS IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO COMPLETE YOUR RAMP THO)
I do think kabam did well with her, we've had champs who have no damage or survivability (negasonic). August seems to have produced 2 of the best champions of the year in my opinion (so far)
And if I said enchantress was a solid contender for best champion of the year, would y'all come for me???
If enchantress can take a lot of necropolis fights then she may be the champion that gets me to do necropolis honestly I don't mind the ramp if I can finish at 100% and still do GREAT DAMAGE. I see the r5 doing 150k burst which is still GREAT
She's supposed to be a God for long form content, 9 minutes for a r6 is meh.
The damage part wasn't an opinion, it's a fact, 380k for a r3 that's meant to be insane for long form content is not impressive. I'm not denying the utility and survivability are good but the damage is meh, considering all the ramp required, it is objectively meh.
r2 Enchantress, r1 BRB, really don't get how people are trying to sugar coat this lol her damage is seriously not good.