Don't get these top level players crying about Serpent

DarknessFalls

As an average player who has struggled with lot of tough defenders. And if at times some defender felt too tough, or costed multiple revives, I have let out some frustration in forums as well. I can't deny that.
But then don't forget how us average players get looked down when we rant with
- get counters
- skill issue
- too easy
- but ban it, we do get 3 bans don't we

But seeing all these content creators who are some of the top level players in MCOC cry about serpent, for some reason now I am at peace, all my frustrations are washed away. Does the above response don't apply to them. Just because they have a challenge now, its a problem.

I really wanna see serpent stay the same as it is. We already have counters, took down 2 serpent in war today, 1 death each, have had worse with other defenders, so don't see a problem. We have heard these top players asking for challenge, so there it is - a challenge, now since you can't get a perfect score doesn't suddenly make the challenge unfair. Shoutout to Vega583, his video made most sense.

The game will only progress, we will see more counters and we will see new mechanics to counter as well.

Though side note: Kabam could you please hurry with the AI fix, tough defenders we can handle, AI on top do make things worse.

Priyabrata

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

ItsClobberinTime

Andy/Vega viewer and top commenter, ignore his thread nothing interesting to see here.

EdisonLaw

Tell me you haven't fought Serpent without telling me.

Nightheart

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

Polygon

Priyabrata said:

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

The bullseye nerf was completely unnecessary

DarknessFalls

Priyabrata said:

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

I hate bullseye more than, even with counter, 1 silly mistake he just wipes you out. Though I haven't been following up on what nerf he got. Also, usually most of the outrage comes from which champ a person has and if it gets nerfed. Usually from what I have seen they nerf something if it works more than its intended. They did say serpent being god of fear they wanted him to be like that.

DarknessFalls

ItsClobberinTime said:

Andy/Vega viewer and top commenter, ignore his thread nothing interesting to see here.

I view all MCOC created based on the content they post, I don't have a bias there, I watch even KT1 and even saw the Nagase video on White mags and Serpent which was felt like you forced yourself in a position to suffer.

KT1 always points out everything so, him complaining on serpent is consistent and I can't disagree there. Issue happens when people bring their bias and are not consistent.

Also, I have no Idea who Andy is, Vega I only recently saw.

MethodMan69

Youtubers doing campaigns to get serpent nerfed that's hilarious, he's an awesome all around champ , and all you need to fight him is a direct counter like that's ez enough since there's several, people want to play against boring defenders they praise busted attackers but cry about a busted defender makes no sense

DarknessFalls

EdisonLaw said:

Tell me you haven't fought Serpent without telling me.

I regularly fight serpent, maybe you should have read the thread before commenting.

Sachhyam257

DarknessFalls said:

But then don't forget how us average players get looked down when we rant with
- get counters
- skill issue
- too easy
- but ban it, we do get 3 bans don't we

But seeing all these content creators who are some of the top level players in MCOC cry about serpent, for some reason now I am at peace, all my frustrations are washed away.

Sooo true. OP gets it. If serpent is obnoxiously difficult, everyone suffers; bad players, good players, the best players, every single one. Now that's what I call UNITY. We can all suffer together as one big happy family. No one saying "git gud", instead we get to see more "I feel u bro, he sucks. Not your fault 💪." See? Very wholesome.

DarknessFalls

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

captain_rogers

Actually in the context of war, Serpent is miles easier than bullseye, especially on boss nodes.

Serpent is easier than most defenders imo, in war.

Only in bgs, He is tough, as there are like only 20 champs who can actually kill him before time out, and none of them do it in less than 60 sec and more than 90% health, unless you play perfect, and even when using counters you are still in a gamble.

But yeah, it is funny to see top players losing their minds once, haha, But their reason is as valid as yours, if not more.

BigBlueOx

DarknessFalls said:

As an average player who has struggled with lot of tough defenders. And if at times some defender felt too tough, or costed multiple revives, I have let out some frustration in forums as well. I can't deny that.
But then don't forget how us average players get looked down when we rant with
- get counters
- skill issue
- too easy
- but ban it, we do get 3 bans don't we

But seeing all these content creators who are some of the top level players in MCOC cry about serpent, for some reason now I am at peace, all my frustrations are washed away. Does the above response don't apply to them. Just because they have a challenge now, its a problem.

I really wanna see serpent stay the same as it is. We already have counters, took down 2 serpent in war today, 1 death each, have had worse with other defenders, so don't see a problem. We have heard these top players asking for challenge, so there it is - a challenge, now since you can't get a perfect score doesn't suddenly make the challenge unfair. Shoutout to Vega583, his video made most sense.

The game will only progress, we will see more counters and we will see new mechanics to counter as well.

Though side note: Kabam could you please hurry with the AI fix, tough defenders we can handle, AI on top do make things worse.

This is a fair way to look at the situation, but it misses the point. The calls to nerf Serpent arent because he’s too tough, but it’s the way he goes about being a tough defender. His kit, more then any other leans so far in the RPG direction that he almost completely devalues skilled game play to defeat him, or in putting up competitive scores. He crossed lines that Photon, Korg, Onslaught, etc. don’t cross in that direction as there is no out skilling Serpent’s kit, something these other tough defenders allow for.

And then if you do get him down there’s a better of good chance of the fight going completely haywire through the most unbalanced powergain we’ve ever seen, one which can be made even more insane through external nodes and one where really only Chavez actually addresses the powergain. In a game of this many champs there is only a single counter to his main threat.,, that’s bananas.

Eakomo

BigBlueOx said:

DarknessFalls said:

As an average player who has struggled with lot of tough defenders. And if at times some defender felt too tough, or costed multiple revives, I have let out some frustration in forums as well. I can't deny that.
But then don't forget how us average players get looked down when we rant with
- get counters
- skill issue
- too easy
- but ban it, we do get 3 bans don't we

But seeing all these content creators who are some of the top level players in MCOC cry about serpent, for some reason now I am at peace, all my frustrations are washed away. Does the above response don't apply to them. Just because they have a challenge now, its a problem.

I really wanna see serpent stay the same as it is. We already have counters, took down 2 serpent in war today, 1 death each, have had worse with other defenders, so don't see a problem. We have heard these top players asking for challenge, so there it is - a challenge, now since you can't get a perfect score doesn't suddenly make the challenge unfair. Shoutout to Vega583, his video made most sense.

The game will only progress, we will see more counters and we will see new mechanics to counter as well.

Though side note: Kabam could you please hurry with the AI fix, tough defenders we can handle, AI on top do make things worse.

This is a fair way to look at the situation, but it misses the point. The calls to nerf Serpent arent because he’s too tough, but it’s the way he goes about being a tough defender. His kit, more then any other leans so far in the RPG direction that he almost completely devalues skilled game play to defeat him, or in putting up competitive scores. He crossed lines that Photon, Korg, Onslaught, etc. don’t cross in that direction as there is no out skilling Serpent’s kit, something these other tough defenders allow for.

And then if you do get him down there’s a better of good chance of the fight going completely haywire through the most unbalanced powergain we’ve ever seen, one which can be made even more insane through external nodes and one where really only Chavez actually addresses the powergain. In a game of this many champs there is only a single counter to his main threat.,, that’s bananas.

the funny thing about so much of the 'RNG' abilities tied to serpent defensive problems can only be solved with non-general solutions the game provides i.e. dex, intercepting and the likes but with specific counters that just makes the list of counters very small.
with the ai getting seemingly worse every month is just making him a better defender and worse to face

WednesdayLength

Priyabrata said:

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

They aren't buffing champions that are performing as they want them to. Ironheart and Destroyer are absolutely fine as they are

WednesdayLength

Polygon said:

Priyabrata said:

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

The bullseye nerf was completely unnecessary

It was specifically so that if he doesn't throw his special you don't lose all her health dexing him to bait it out. It was a good change

Zuro

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

ahmynuts

Bro does not understand the assignment

MorningstarIsBae

Im more upset that since they aint doing anything with them that they dont use the extra time to buff Morningstar

Real_Madrid_76_2

Dude he's already one hellish defender with undexable specials, insane power gain (and by insane, I mean really insane!), and so much block damage. Imagine him on any node where u can't block his specials, or he has an unblockable buff or passive(in any general quest), what will u do? Forget that, remember the invade node, where block penetrations of both the attacker and defender are increased by 300%, how will I survive even a single special? Imagine him with those nodes and on top of that, power axis, or enhanced power gain/energize, will u even be able to hit him in between his specials? U guys saying that he will be getting counters so no need nerfing him have clearly not understood other player's POV. Don't get me wrong but I'm assuming 90% of those players are P2W players, so they can probably get that champion from opening couple of crystals or buying the early access bundles. If the quest node gives him immunity to power alteration(which is very common nowadays) or empyreal defense(if u don't know, this node is made to make 90% of mystic attackers useless), how will u counter him. Not always can u have a Kushala on your team, because the quest nodes moght be restricting, or maybe she might get banned in bgs, so what are u even supposed to do in long fights. The person who said that not every fight is supposed to be solo, either he's P2W, or he's having tons of expiring revives, or hasn't fought serpent much. In the boss island in aw, serpent takes the place of rich get richer, or enhanced power gain/buffet/masochism(power gain) or aspect of chaos(whatever the name is, where when defender gains a bar of power, they gain many boosts for rest of fight), extinction protocol(enhanced combat power rate for rest of the fight when gaining a bar of power), will u even survive throughout that fight. To the guy who said not every fight has to be a solo, enter a quest and play using unnecessary counters, and then complete the entire quest with 20 deaths, i am waiting here for your response on that topic. I haven't even mentioned other such nodes where he can be a nightmare. Before u even counter his power gain, he's already used 2 specials, which ain't no joke. So widen your thoughts and speak up for the entire community like I did. Whoever now comments that they are ready to get new counters rather than getting him nerfed, cheers, coz you aren't supposed to be here then. Kabam is 'happy' with his current state, but the only point is that it shall be us who should be happy with the game and its state, not them. Hope my argument has made the sense which some of us had probably lost.

MethodMan69

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

Dude he's already one hellish defender with undexable specials, insane power gain (and by insane, I mean really insane!), and so much block damage. Imagine him on any node where u can't block his specials, or he has an unblockable buff or passive(in any general quest), what will u do? Forget that, remember the invade node, where block penetrations of both the attacker and defender are increased by 300%, how will I survive even a single special? Imagine him with those nodes and on top of that, power axis, or enhanced power gain/energize, will u even be able to hit him in between his specials? U guys saying that he will be getting counters so no need nerfing him have clearly not understood other player's POV. Don't get me wrong but I'm assuming 90% of those players are P2W players, so they can probably get that champion from opening couple of crystals or buying the early access bundles. If the quest node gives him immunity to power alteration(which is very common nowadays) or empyreal defense(if u don't know, this node is made to make 90% of mystic attackers useless), how will u counter him. Not always can u have a Kushala on your team, because the quest nodes moght be restricting, or maybe she might get banned in bgs, so what are u even supposed to do in long fights. The person who said that not every fight is supposed to be solo, either he's P2W, or he's having tons of expiring revives, or hasn't fought serpent much. In the boss island in aw, serpent takes the place of rich get richer, or enhanced power gain/buffet/masochism(power gain) or aspect of chaos(whatever the name is, where when defender gains a bar of power, they gain many boosts for rest of fight), extinction protocol(enhanced combat power rate for rest of the fight when gaining a bar of power), will u even survive throughout that fight. To the guy who said not every fight has to be a solo, enter a quest and play using unnecessary counters, and then complete the entire quest with 20 deaths, i am waiting here for your response on that topic. I haven't even mentioned other such nodes where he can be a nightmare. Before u even counter his power gain, he's already used 2 specials, which ain't no joke. So widen your thoughts and speak up for the entire community like I did. Whoever now comments that they are ready to get new counters rather than getting him nerfed, cheers, coz you aren't supposed to be here then. Kabam is 'happy' with his current state, but the only point is that it shall be us who should be happy with the game and its state, not them. Hope my argument has made the sense which some of us had probably lost.

Bans for BGs with those nodes , and common sense that kabam will introduce more champs that can block unblockable attacks and evade serpent specials , people is overreacting to a defender that requires skills to play against and forgetting that every month we got 2 new champions , those counters are definitely coming

DarknessFalls

WednesdayLength said:

Priyabrata said:

My issue however is a very different one
They're not buffing champs that need it, and they're leaving someone like serpent COMPLETELY UNALTERED but they nerfed bullseye for some reason . What even is the criteria for nerfing a champ?? Was bullseye a harder defender than serpent?

They aren't buffing champions that are performing as they want them to. Ironheart and Destroyer are absolutely fine as they are

I agree, would have supported that if they was an outcry.

DarknessFalls

Zuro said:

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

Well let me introduce to an option in battleground called, ban, and we have 3. Are you telling me, ppl don't wanna ban a champion they have so much difficulty against. Not even 1 spot our of 3?

Emilia90

DarknessFalls said:

Zuro said:

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

Well let me introduce to an option in battleground called, ban, and we have 3. Are you telling me, ppl don't wanna ban a champion they have so much difficulty against. Not even 1 spot our of 3?

If your best solution for a defender so broken that he stalls the fight for 60+ seconds even against his best counters is to just ban him, the champ is an issue. This argument is always so silly

DarknessFalls

Emilia90 said:

DarknessFalls said:

Zuro said:

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

Well let me introduce to an option in battleground called, ban, and we have 3. Are you telling me, ppl don't wanna ban a champion they have so much difficulty against. Not even 1 spot our of 3?

If your best solution for a defender so broken that he stalls the fight for 60+ seconds even against his best counters is to just ban him, the champ is an issue. This argument is always so silly

I have seen ppl soloing him and getting amazing scores as well and with time, we will get more counter, you think enchantress won't be and issue down a line, just wait and watch what happens with her, then we also have deathless Thanos coming, they are getting next level defenders, so whatever they are cooking let's see. Why can't we focus on buffing champions instead of nerfs.

Emilia90

DarknessFalls said:

Emilia90 said:

DarknessFalls said:

Zuro said:

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

Well let me introduce to an option in battleground called, ban, and we have 3. Are you telling me, ppl don't wanna ban a champion they have so much difficulty against. Not even 1 spot our of 3?

If your best solution for a defender so broken that he stalls the fight for 60+ seconds even against his best counters is to just ban him, the champ is an issue. This argument is always so silly

I have seen ppl soloing him and getting amazing scores as well and with time, we will get more counter, you think enchantress won't be and issue down a line, just wait and watch what happens with her, then we also have deathless Thanos coming, they are getting next level defenders, so whatever they are cooking let's see. Why can't we focus on buffing champions instead of nerfs.

Please show me an amazing score in BG against him that’s not from a meta that directly makes mystics better. I’ve seen top level players punch down with a r3 to a r5A and still take 80 seconds because he’s just so broken. He has no counters right now, he can fail neutralize too. If you get lucky it’s a 55-60 second fight which is still awful

EdisonLaw

MethodMan69 said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

Dude he's already one hellish defender with undexable specials, insane power gain (and by insane, I mean really insane!), and so much block damage. Imagine him on any node where u can't block his specials, or he has an unblockable buff or passive(in any general quest), what will u do? Forget that, remember the invade node, where block penetrations of both the attacker and defender are increased by 300%, how will I survive even a single special? Imagine him with those nodes and on top of that, power axis, or enhanced power gain/energize, will u even be able to hit him in between his specials? U guys saying that he will be getting counters so no need nerfing him have clearly not understood other player's POV. Don't get me wrong but I'm assuming 90% of those players are P2W players, so they can probably get that champion from opening couple of crystals or buying the early access bundles. If the quest node gives him immunity to power alteration(which is very common nowadays) or empyreal defense(if u don't know, this node is made to make 90% of mystic attackers useless), how will u counter him. Not always can u have a Kushala on your team, because the quest nodes moght be restricting, or maybe she might get banned in bgs, so what are u even supposed to do in long fights. The person who said that not every fight is supposed to be solo, either he's P2W, or he's having tons of expiring revives, or hasn't fought serpent much. In the boss island in aw, serpent takes the place of rich get richer, or enhanced power gain/buffet/masochism(power gain) or aspect of chaos(whatever the name is, where when defender gains a bar of power, they gain many boosts for rest of fight), extinction protocol(enhanced combat power rate for rest of the fight when gaining a bar of power), will u even survive throughout that fight. To the guy who said not every fight has to be a solo, enter a quest and play using unnecessary counters, and then complete the entire quest with 20 deaths, i am waiting here for your response on that topic. I haven't even mentioned other such nodes where he can be a nightmare. Before u even counter his power gain, he's already used 2 specials, which ain't no joke. So widen your thoughts and speak up for the entire community like I did. Whoever now comments that they are ready to get new counters rather than getting him nerfed, cheers, coz you aren't supposed to be here then. Kabam is 'happy' with his current state, but the only point is that it shall be us who should be happy with the game and its state, not them. Hope my argument has made the sense which some of us had probably lost.

Bans for BGs with those nodes , and common sense that kabam will introduce more champs that can block unblockable attacks and evade serpent specials , people is overreacting to a defender that requires skills to play against and forgetting that every month we got 2 new champions , those counters are definitely coming

Skill as in not being able to dex undexable specials? Not being able to deal with ridiculous power gain once he gets death immunity? Not being able to nuke him quickly under 50 seconds?

I don’t think that is a skill issue or aspect in fighting him

EdisonLaw

DarknessFalls said:

Emilia90 said:

DarknessFalls said:

Zuro said:

DarknessFalls said:

Nightheart said:

I have fought Serpent many times and I can tell you he's a terror on defense even with counters

And I agree. I haven't been able to solo him consistently. not everything has to be a solo. As long as that don't start adding serpent in regular paths. I don't see an issue.

Let me introduce you to something called battlegrounds

Well let me introduce to an option in battleground called, ban, and we have 3. Are you telling me, ppl don't wanna ban a champion they have so much difficulty against. Not even 1 spot our of 3?

If your best solution for a defender so broken that he stalls the fight for 60+ seconds even against his best counters is to just ban him, the champ is an issue. This argument is always so silly

I have seen ppl soloing him and getting amazing scores as well and with time, we will get more counter, you think enchantress won't be and issue down a line, just wait and watch what happens with her, then we also have deathless Thanos coming, they are getting next level defenders, so whatever they are cooking let's see. Why can't we focus on buffing champions instead of nerfs.

Not always, sometimes Serpent doesn’t play ball during the death immunity phase and he jumps straight to a sp3.

MethodMan69

EdisonLaw said:

MethodMan69 said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

Dude he's already one hellish defender with undexable specials, insane power gain (and by insane, I mean really insane!), and so much block damage. Imagine him on any node where u can't block his specials, or he has an unblockable buff or passive(in any general quest), what will u do? Forget that, remember the invade node, where block penetrations of both the attacker and defender are increased by 300%, how will I survive even a single special? Imagine him with those nodes and on top of that, power axis, or enhanced power gain/energize, will u even be able to hit him in between his specials? U guys saying that he will be getting counters so no need nerfing him have clearly not understood other player's POV. Don't get me wrong but I'm assuming 90% of those players are P2W players, so they can probably get that champion from opening couple of crystals or buying the early access bundles. If the quest node gives him immunity to power alteration(which is very common nowadays) or empyreal defense(if u don't know, this node is made to make 90% of mystic attackers useless), how will u counter him. Not always can u have a Kushala on your team, because the quest nodes moght be restricting, or maybe she might get banned in bgs, so what are u even supposed to do in long fights. The person who said that not every fight is supposed to be solo, either he's P2W, or he's having tons of expiring revives, or hasn't fought serpent much. In the boss island in aw, serpent takes the place of rich get richer, or enhanced power gain/buffet/masochism(power gain) or aspect of chaos(whatever the name is, where when defender gains a bar of power, they gain many boosts for rest of fight), extinction protocol(enhanced combat power rate for rest of the fight when gaining a bar of power), will u even survive throughout that fight. To the guy who said not every fight has to be a solo, enter a quest and play using unnecessary counters, and then complete the entire quest with 20 deaths, i am waiting here for your response on that topic. I haven't even mentioned other such nodes where he can be a nightmare. Before u even counter his power gain, he's already used 2 specials, which ain't no joke. So widen your thoughts and speak up for the entire community like I did. Whoever now comments that they are ready to get new counters rather than getting him nerfed, cheers, coz you aren't supposed to be here then. Kabam is 'happy' with his current state, but the only point is that it shall be us who should be happy with the game and its state, not them. Hope my argument has made the sense which some of us had probably lost.

Bans for BGs with those nodes , and common sense that kabam will introduce more champs that can block unblockable attacks and evade serpent specials , people is overreacting to a defender that requires skills to play against and forgetting that every month we got 2 new champions , those counters are definitely coming

Skill as in not being able to dex undexable specials? Not being able to deal with ridiculous power gain once he gets death immunity? Not being able to nuke him quickly under 50 seconds?

I don’t think that is a skill issue or aspect in fighting him

U can parry the specials ,that requires skill ,
You can save energy and the relic to keep him busy during the Immortality also requires skills
Not being able to nuke him , so you want to nuke him in 30 seconds but you don't want to have a challenging fight , I call that skill issue

Y'all want boring defenders and busted attackers , never been so happy for kabam not caring about players opinions

Emilia90

MethodMan69 said:

EdisonLaw said:

MethodMan69 said:

Real_Madrid_76_2 said:

Dude he's already one hellish defender with undexable specials, insane power gain (and by insane, I mean really insane!), and so much block damage. Imagine him on any node where u can't block his specials, or he has an unblockable buff or passive(in any general quest), what will u do? Forget that, remember the invade node, where block penetrations of both the attacker and defender are increased by 300%, how will I survive even a single special? Imagine him with those nodes and on top of that, power axis, or enhanced power gain/energize, will u even be able to hit him in between his specials? U guys saying that he will be getting counters so no need nerfing him have clearly not understood other player's POV. Don't get me wrong but I'm assuming 90% of those players are P2W players, so they can probably get that champion from opening couple of crystals or buying the early access bundles. If the quest node gives him immunity to power alteration(which is very common nowadays) or empyreal defense(if u don't know, this node is made to make 90% of mystic attackers useless), how will u counter him. Not always can u have a Kushala on your team, because the quest nodes moght be restricting, or maybe she might get banned in bgs, so what are u even supposed to do in long fights. The person who said that not every fight is supposed to be solo, either he's P2W, or he's having tons of expiring revives, or hasn't fought serpent much. In the boss island in aw, serpent takes the place of rich get richer, or enhanced power gain/buffet/masochism(power gain) or aspect of chaos(whatever the name is, where when defender gains a bar of power, they gain many boosts for rest of fight), extinction protocol(enhanced combat power rate for rest of the fight when gaining a bar of power), will u even survive throughout that fight. To the guy who said not every fight has to be a solo, enter a quest and play using unnecessary counters, and then complete the entire quest with 20 deaths, i am waiting here for your response on that topic. I haven't even mentioned other such nodes where he can be a nightmare. Before u even counter his power gain, he's already used 2 specials, which ain't no joke. So widen your thoughts and speak up for the entire community like I did. Whoever now comments that they are ready to get new counters rather than getting him nerfed, cheers, coz you aren't supposed to be here then. Kabam is 'happy' with his current state, but the only point is that it shall be us who should be happy with the game and its state, not them. Hope my argument has made the sense which some of us had probably lost.

Bans for BGs with those nodes , and common sense that kabam will introduce more champs that can block unblockable attacks and evade serpent specials , people is overreacting to a defender that requires skills to play against and forgetting that every month we got 2 new champions , those counters are definitely coming

Skill as in not being able to dex undexable specials? Not being able to deal with ridiculous power gain once he gets death immunity? Not being able to nuke him quickly under 50 seconds?

I don’t think that is a skill issue or aspect in fighting him

U can parry the specials ,that requires skill ,
You can save energy and the relic to keep him busy during the Immortality also requires skills
Not being able to nuke him , so you want to nuke him in 30 seconds but you don't want to have a challenging fight , I call that skill issue

Y'all want boring defenders and busted attackers , never been so happy for kabam not caring about players opinions

What a horrible take. He’s a busted defender. He’s not like any of the others before him, and he’s the only one who can stall even his best counters so long. What if he doesn’t throw specials? He’ll still stall for 12 seconds guaranteed at the end. Lmao yeah totally a skill issue that no champ in the game can take him in a sufficient time. What a joke