She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
Onslaught: Hold my beer
Onslaught was last year and he's not exactly the best attacker either, on average it takes 50 secs to get his damage going. Not bad at all but still not at the same level as the rest of the strong attackers from that same year or the ones from 2022.
She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
Most champs are still in titan, not every champ is gonna be god tier like hulkling, it’s irrelevant that majority of decks don’t contain a certain champs like they do hulkling. They’re still viable options if you know how to use them. You said it’s only two (white tiger and prowler) but that in it self is wrong because you have champs like dust, iron heart, ntw and i’ve even seen people get use out of spider punk even tho i agree his damage his week, he has shown to have uses, especially in this current meta.
Your blinded by having nukes that can easily counter 90% of their opposing class that your opposed to champs that actually require having skill to use within battleground. And not just skill with play style but skill with knowledge of their kit and who they’re best matched up against. The games is gonna continue to expand and as time goes on they’re gonna want to make more fun creative metas that push people to use specific type of champs. These champs released are those champs.
Lastly stop bringing up my point to try and refute it because nothing you say actually has relevance to it. It doesn’t matter if majority of champs this year isn’t battleground focused. My point was that not all champs are gonna be battleground focused, this doesn’t mean i think 90% of them will be or even 80%. It’s up to them to decide how many champs within the year they release will be battleground focused and how many wont. It can be as little as 1 or as many 23. At the end of the day they will decide it and if you don’t like it, cool, complain. They can listen to your complaint and see how they can change it going forward. But at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact that my main point is that not all champs will be battleground focused. And to add onto that point, not all champs will be hulkling power level. That’s probably why they keep releasing all these ridiculous defence difficulty champs.
Shathra's not meant to be a full Serpent hard counter. They're probably gonna release one later this year or perhaps next year, but we're just gonna have to wait and see
Shathra's not meant to be a full Serpent hard counter. They're probably gonna release one later this year or perhaps next year, but we're just gonna have to wait and see
To be honest, we may never see a full counter. I remember when they were talking about onslaught during the early half of this year and talked about how they can’t wait to release champs that counter some parts of kits differently, and wanted to see how summoners play around with it. I think this applies to all newer defenders. They probably won’t ever release hard counters because they might want summoners to have diverse decks from one another.
One example is like nega sonic teenage warhead, she counters bullseyes counter evade, but doesn’t counter his bleed. Iron heart counters onslaughts daunted and reverse control but can’t do anything against his shocks.
She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
Most champs are still in titan, not every champ is gonna be god tier like hulkling, it’s irrelevant that majority of decks don’t contain a certain champs like they do hulkling. They’re still viable options if you know how to use them. You said it’s only two (white tiger and prowler) but that in it self is wrong because you have champs like dust, iron heart, ntw and i’ve even seen people get use out of spider punk even tho i agree his damage his week, he has shown to have uses, especially in this current meta.
Your blinded by having nukes that can easily counter 90% of their opposing class that your opposed to champs that actually require having skill to use within battleground. And not just skill with play style but skill with knowledge of their kit and who they’re best matched up against. The games is gonna continue to expand and as time goes on they’re gonna want to make more fun creative metas that push people to use specific type of champs. These champs released are those champs.
Lastly stop bringing up my point to try and refute it because nothing you say actually has relevance to it. It doesn’t matter if majority of champs this year isn’t battleground focused. My point was that not all champs are gonna be battleground focused, this doesn’t mean i think 90% of them will be or even 80%. It’s up to them to decide how many champs within the year they release will be battleground focused and how many wont. It can be as little as 1 or as many 23. At the end of the day they will decide it and if you don’t like it, cool, complain. They can listen to your complaint and see how they can change it going forward. But at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact that my main point is that not all champs will be battleground focused. And to add onto that point, not all champs will be hulkling power level. That’s probably why they keep releasing all these ridiculous defence difficulty champs.
I have both 7* Ironheart and Negasonic at r2, never use them in BGs because again there are way better champs. What you're saying is subjective, if you like them you'll use them, but objectively speaking they are not good enough if you want to compete at high level.
Lmao tell us how you use Negasonic and Ironheart skillfully then, Ironheart is pure RNG if you don't get a lot of armor buffs her damage is terrible, Negasonic needs to throw sp2 to even start dealing damage, has nothing to do with skill they're just mid. What league do you usually play in Bronze?
I have not used Negasonic and Ironheart in a single meta since I took them both to r2 because either heir damage is inconsistent or they're straight up too slow.
I don't even know what you're waffling on about at this point, you reply to me stating the obvious (cause most attackers this year are mediocre for BGs from an objective standpoint), try to say that some attackers like Ironheart and Negasonic are good when used skillfully (which is absolutely laughable you obviously don't even know how their kits work cause if you did you would know no ount of skill will help them deal damage quicker), and then after all that arguing you say I can complain and if they want to change they will change it which by the way they already are changing it since both Nefaria and Shathra look extremely good on both utility and damage unlike the rest of the garbage we've received this year. What was the whole point of you arguing? That not all attackers will be BGs focused? No **** Sherlock, as I previously stated that has already been the case most of the year 😂
Shathra's not meant to be a full Serpent hard counter. They're probably gonna release one later this year or perhaps next year, but we're just gonna have to wait and see
She addresses 80% of Serpent's pain points I don't think we will get any other counters better than this one because that would cause another Peni Galan situation which DLL has already stated was too much, they don't want defenders to become completely irrelevant due to hard counters.
She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
Most champs are still in titan, not every champ is gonna be god tier like hulkling, it’s irrelevant that majority of decks don’t contain a certain champs like they do hulkling. They’re still viable options if you know how to use them. You said it’s only two (white tiger and prowler) but that in it self is wrong because you have champs like dust, iron heart, ntw and i’ve even seen people get use out of spider punk even tho i agree his damage his week, he has shown to have uses, especially in this current meta.
Your blinded by having nukes that can easily counter 90% of their opposing class that your opposed to champs that actually require having skill to use within battleground. And not just skill with play style but skill with knowledge of their kit and who they’re best matched up against. The games is gonna continue to expand and as time goes on they’re gonna want to make more fun creative metas that push people to use specific type of champs. These champs released are those champs.
Lastly stop bringing up my point to try and refute it because nothing you say actually has relevance to it. It doesn’t matter if majority of champs this year isn’t battleground focused. My point was that not all champs are gonna be battleground focused, this doesn’t mean i think 90% of them will be or even 80%. It’s up to them to decide how many champs within the year they release will be battleground focused and how many wont. It can be as little as 1 or as many 23. At the end of the day they will decide it and if you don’t like it, cool, complain. They can listen to your complaint and see how they can change it going forward. But at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact that my main point is that not all champs will be battleground focused. And to add onto that point, not all champs will be hulkling power level. That’s probably why they keep releasing all these ridiculous defence difficulty champs.
I have both 7* Ironheart and Negasonic at r2, never use them in BGs because again there are way better champs. What you're saying is subjective, if you like them you'll use them, but objectively speaking they are not good enough if you want to compete at high level.
Lmao tell us how you use Negasonic and Ironheart skillfully then, Ironheart is pure RNG if you don't get a lot of armor buffs her damage is terrible, Negasonic needs to throw sp2 to even start dealing damage, has nothing to do with skill they're just mid. What league do you usually play in Bronze?
I have not used Negasonic and Ironheart in a single meta since I took them both to r2 because either heir damage is inconsistent or they're straight up too slow.
I don't even know what you're waffling on about at this point, you reply to me stating the obvious (cause most attackers this year are mediocre for BGs from an objective standpoint), try to say that some attackers like Ironheart and Negasonic are good when used skillfully (which is absolutely laughable you obviously don't even know how their kits work cause if you did you would know no ount of skill will help them deal damage quicker), and then after all that arguing you say I can complain and if they want to change they will change it which by the way they already are changing it since both Nefaria and Shathra look extremely good on both utility and damage unlike the rest of the garbage we've received this year. What was the whole point of you arguing? That not all attackers will be BGs focused? No **** Sherlock, as I previously stated that has already been the case most of the year 😂
There was no argument on my part, you just couldn’t accept the simple truth of ‘not all champs released are bg focused’ and made a whole non sensual point to try and counter it by making post that neither denies it but continues to complain that the attackers are not up to your standards.
Also new champs are made months in advance, maybe even last year. So these champs were not made in response to summoners crituqes of champs released in may
She is a counter but isn’t a hard counter. She does have atrophy and power steal to control power gain and be able to spam specials to control his culforce.
At the cost of timing out, no thanks if I want to time out I'll just use Kindred who's easier to use lmao.
To be fair, not every champ that will be released is for battlegrounds in mind. She may suck in bg but may have some anti-serpent uses in later contents (e.g story, special event quests, monthly quest etc)
Sigh how many more times are we going to do this same dance on the forums lol all the attackers this year are **** for BGs except for two. I'm genuinely sick of this "not every champ" comment, that has literally been the case the whole year things need to change.
How does the contradict my point?
You literally said every attacker this year EXCEPT for two are for bg. Meaning it goes with my point, not all are made for bg in mind.
Also just because a champ works for battleground doesn’t mean the team intended purpose for the champ was battleground.
Because I can very easily use the same argument against you, not every champ has to suck for BGs which has been the case for most of the year.
Ok? Not every champ sucks for battleground this year. Your statement makes no difference to what i said.
Not every champ needs to be bg in mind and as for this year and every year since battlegrounds release has had a hand full of champs that are decent or great for bg. So there are no cases of a single year where all champs sucked for battleground.
You see any of them in nearly every deck the way you see Hulkling and other meta relevant ones in nearly every deck? Cause I haven't seen that many White Tigers and Prowlers and they're the best we've had this year. What does that tell you?
The reason that argument makes no sense is because that has already been the case this year. When you say "not every champ has to be BGs focused" you're making it sound like most champs this year have been BGs focused which they haven't. The last strong attacker for BGs that truly became meta relevant was Kushala and that was 9 months ago, we haven't had a single strong attackers that became meta relevant this year not even White Tiger and Prowler, they're good sure but they're not that good.
Also, you say every year has had a handful of champs that are good in BGs yet out of the 16 new releases this year, only 2 are decent attackers and even then they're not even close to being meta relevant. How are you going to tell me that not all champs should be BGs focused when out of 16 only 2 are good? Especially compared to the 8 good ones we got in 2023 and the 9 good ones we got in 2022. We're 9 months into 2024 and we're not even close to half the amount of good attackers we received in 2022 and 2023, if you can't see how that's a bad thing I don't know what to tell you, get well soon I guess.
Most champs are still in titan, not every champ is gonna be god tier like hulkling, it’s irrelevant that majority of decks don’t contain a certain champs like they do hulkling. They’re still viable options if you know how to use them. You said it’s only two (white tiger and prowler) but that in it self is wrong because you have champs like dust, iron heart, ntw and i’ve even seen people get use out of spider punk even tho i agree his damage his week, he has shown to have uses, especially in this current meta.
Your blinded by having nukes that can easily counter 90% of their opposing class that your opposed to champs that actually require having skill to use within battleground. And not just skill with play style but skill with knowledge of their kit and who they’re best matched up against. The games is gonna continue to expand and as time goes on they’re gonna want to make more fun creative metas that push people to use specific type of champs. These champs released are those champs.
Lastly stop bringing up my point to try and refute it because nothing you say actually has relevance to it. It doesn’t matter if majority of champs this year isn’t battleground focused. My point was that not all champs are gonna be battleground focused, this doesn’t mean i think 90% of them will be or even 80%. It’s up to them to decide how many champs within the year they release will be battleground focused and how many wont. It can be as little as 1 or as many 23. At the end of the day they will decide it and if you don’t like it, cool, complain. They can listen to your complaint and see how they can change it going forward. But at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact that my main point is that not all champs will be battleground focused. And to add onto that point, not all champs will be hulkling power level. That’s probably why they keep releasing all these ridiculous defence difficulty champs.
I have both 7* Ironheart and Negasonic at r2, never use them in BGs because again there are way better champs. What you're saying is subjective, if you like them you'll use them, but objectively speaking they are not good enough if you want to compete at high level.
Lmao tell us how you use Negasonic and Ironheart skillfully then, Ironheart is pure RNG if you don't get a lot of armor buffs her damage is terrible, Negasonic needs to throw sp2 to even start dealing damage, has nothing to do with skill they're just mid. What league do you usually play in Bronze?
I have not used Negasonic and Ironheart in a single meta since I took them both to r2 because either heir damage is inconsistent or they're straight up too slow.
I don't even know what you're waffling on about at this point, you reply to me stating the obvious (cause most attackers this year are mediocre for BGs from an objective standpoint), try to say that some attackers like Ironheart and Negasonic are good when used skillfully (which is absolutely laughable you obviously don't even know how their kits work cause if you did you would know no ount of skill will help them deal damage quicker), and then after all that arguing you say I can complain and if they want to change they will change it which by the way they already are changing it since both Nefaria and Shathra look extremely good on both utility and damage unlike the rest of the garbage we've received this year. What was the whole point of you arguing? That not all attackers will be BGs focused? No **** Sherlock, as I previously stated that has already been the case most of the year 😂
There was no argument on my part, you just couldn’t accept the simple truth of ‘not all champs released are bg focused’ and made a whole non sensual point to try and counter it by making post that neither denies it but continues to complain that the attackers are not up to your standards.
Also new champs are made months in advance, maybe even last year. So these champs were not made in response to summoners crituqes of champs released in may
Lol how exactly did I not accept that fact when I very clearly said "that's literally been the case the whole year". I was simply pointing out we needed more BGs focused champs this year because we haven't had many before Shathra and Nefaria.
They're not up to anyone's standards if you play competitive, if you were in Arcane you would know this. Still waiting to hear how you can use Ironheart and Negasonic skillfully though 😂
They were not, but this also means they are fully aware that they have to release BGs focused champs as well and not just champs that are good for everything else. What I'm trying to say is your argument that not every champ has to be BGs focused is irrelevant because I never claimed every champ had to be BGs focused in the first place, and Kabam obviously knows there has to be balance hence Shathra and Nefaria already looking very promising for BGs unlike every other dud and mid champ this year.
Yall need to decide if you're mad at new champs being counters to hard champs or mad that new champs aren't counters to hard champs, you can't be both
Well I mean when the hard champs aren't getting nerfed, it's obvious people would want more counters to them at least
But people are also mad that they're releasing counters to hard champs as well. I don't blame kabam for not engaging more with the playerbase when they'll get criticised regardless lmao.
I'm mostly kidding with that but still, pick a lane
I don't think you should wait to every Mystic being a Serpent counter, that would be bad in long term.
On top of that, Shathra is a good counter for him, just not the "Perfect counter". E.g. like Patrioit who is being the ideal counter to Photon since his kit was designed that way. Serpent is not immune to Power Steal so she can control the big bars of power, she has Atrophy, which reduces buff duration by 70%, helpful to ending the power gain faster and the death immunity, both will last 2.4 seconds only and Atrophy last for 20 seconds, fair enough. And since Shathra damage is Energy based, she will deal a lot of her damage without being punished somehow.
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Your blinded by having nukes that can easily counter 90% of their opposing class that your opposed to champs that actually require having skill to use within battleground. And not just skill with play style but skill with knowledge of their kit and who they’re best matched up against. The games is gonna continue to expand and as time goes on they’re gonna want to make more fun creative metas that push people to use specific type of champs. These champs released are those champs.
Lastly stop bringing up my point to try and refute it because nothing you say actually has relevance to it. It doesn’t matter if majority of champs this year isn’t battleground focused. My point was that not all champs are gonna be battleground focused, this doesn’t mean i think 90% of them will be or even 80%. It’s up to them to decide how many champs within the year they release will be battleground focused and how many wont. It can be as little as 1 or as many 23. At the end of the day they will decide it and if you don’t like it, cool, complain. They can listen to your complaint and see how they can change it going forward. But at the end of the day it doesn’t change the fact that my main point is that not all champs will be battleground focused. And to add onto that point, not all champs will be hulkling power level. That’s probably why they keep releasing all these ridiculous defence difficulty champs.
One example is like nega sonic teenage warhead, she counters bullseyes counter evade, but doesn’t counter his bleed. Iron heart counters onslaughts daunted and reverse control but can’t do anything against his shocks.
Lmao tell us how you use Negasonic and Ironheart skillfully then, Ironheart is pure RNG if you don't get a lot of armor buffs her damage is terrible, Negasonic needs to throw sp2 to even start dealing damage, has nothing to do with skill they're just mid. What league do you usually play in Bronze?
I have not used Negasonic and Ironheart in a single meta since I took them both to r2 because either heir damage is inconsistent or they're straight up too slow.
I don't even know what you're waffling on about at this point, you reply to me stating the obvious (cause most attackers this year are mediocre for BGs from an objective standpoint), try to say that some attackers like Ironheart and Negasonic are good when used skillfully (which is absolutely laughable you obviously don't even know how their kits work cause if you did you would know no ount of skill will help them deal damage quicker), and then after all that arguing you say I can complain and if they want to change they will change it which by the way they already are changing it since both Nefaria and Shathra look extremely good on both utility and damage unlike the rest of the garbage we've received this year. What was the whole point of you arguing? That not all attackers will be BGs focused? No **** Sherlock, as I previously stated that has already been the case most of the year 😂
Also new champs are made months in advance, maybe even last year. So these champs were not made in response to summoners crituqes of champs released in may
They're not up to anyone's standards if you play competitive, if you were in Arcane you would know this. Still waiting to hear how you can use Ironheart and Negasonic skillfully though 😂
They were not, but this also means they are fully aware that they have to release BGs focused champs as well and not just champs that are good for everything else. What I'm trying to say is your argument that not every champ has to be BGs focused is irrelevant because I never claimed every champ had to be BGs focused in the first place, and Kabam obviously knows there has to be balance hence Shathra and Nefaria already looking very promising for BGs unlike every other dud and mid champ this year.
I'm mostly kidding with that but still, pick a lane
On top of that, Shathra is a good counter for him, just not the "Perfect counter". E.g. like Patrioit who is being the ideal counter to Photon since his kit was designed that way. Serpent is not immune to Power Steal so she can control the big bars of power, she has Atrophy, which reduces buff duration by 70%, helpful to ending the power gain faster and the death immunity, both will last 2.4 seconds only and Atrophy last for 20 seconds, fair enough. And since Shathra damage is Energy based, she will deal a lot of her damage without being punished somehow.